Hijack attempt on Malaysia Airlines
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"sufficient training on these matters" would certainly be if possible identify the offender.
Pass that information onto ATC!
The offenders ID would be checked against data bases, any red flags you would "assume" would be followed up.
I expect that would include but not be limited to.
Police
Mental institution
Doctor treating this person
Department of Immigration and Boarder Protection (Student Visa)
Education Provider
Teachers from Education Provider
Malaysian Airlines
Travel agent if used.
Not a five minute job.
Also all on-board need to be detained until cleared - this alone can be difficult, directing a large crowd to a secure holding area that would be quite excited after the event.
Pass that information onto ATC!
The offenders ID would be checked against data bases, any red flags you would "assume" would be followed up.
I expect that would include but not be limited to.
Police
Mental institution
Doctor treating this person
Department of Immigration and Boarder Protection (Student Visa)
Education Provider
Teachers from Education Provider
Malaysian Airlines
Travel agent if used.
Not a five minute job.
Also all on-board need to be detained until cleared - this alone can be difficult, directing a large crowd to a secure holding area that would be quite excited after the event.
Technically, they already have automatic weapons... the Glock automatic pistol they carry as opposed to the old .38 Smith and Wesson revolvers but I know what you mean, military style long arm weapons.
Poor ol Oz Police. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Oz has been relativly quiet re Terrorism type events so i'd say most police still be a bit inexperienced re how to handle any given situation.
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The offenders ID would be checked against data bases, any red flags you would "assume" would be followed up.
Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Can I ask how much bomb threat training is given for a ATPL and/or a type rating?
I do know what training is given at one particular airline, and it is detailed and quite comprehensive --- using real world expeience.
It would be silly to try and put that in license training, as it would, perforce, be so general as to be useless. Nor is type rating training the place, for the same reason.
The place where it should be (and in my experience in two countries and their systems) is with the operators emergency procedures initial and recurrent, along with frequent updates to those who "need to know".
Sadly, in my opinion, it looks like the Melbourne incident revealed the same kind of amateur hour Keystone Kops as revealed in the Sydney siege Coroners Report. For the police services, not a one off, but a systemic problem, and if my experience is anything to go by, the result of petty internal bureaucratic political priorities ( as well, probably, politicians' political "priorities") nonsense taking precedents over "real world" issues.
Tootle pip!!
PS: Having had some experience with Thunder-flashes, (flash bangs) I can well imagine, in Sydney, what resulted in the foyer group. I "shakes m' head" in wonder. As for the police "shooter" firing 17 rounds at one target ???
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I can think of many terrorist events that have been carried out by numerous persons with both a single device and multiple devices.
Flags that would be raised from outside aircraft that is still flying could be.
His name
Nationality
Age
Sex
Religion
Can match a radicalized person with terrorist intentions - was he a lone wolf or an accomplice. Would the accomplice be the real hiding cell waiting to blow up some special forces persons (killing cops is a favourite) and this person just a decoy?
Once his mental record came to light and investigated the likely hood of knowing if it was actually a bomb or if he would be involved would give a better understanding of the gravity of the situation.
So to immediately have a squad of police meet the aircraft on its arrival and either remove the bomb and Bluetooth speaker or offload pax could be the trap and key for the sleeper to detonate.
They would decide when to have maximum effect by the announcement of Captain or Cabin Crew to either stay seated or exit the aircraft.
Interviewing pax is different from clearing them as possible suspects.
* They use to give young kids a bit of a clip under the ear to straighten them up - they get damned for doing that now!
Flags that would be raised from outside aircraft that is still flying could be.
His name
Nationality
Age
Sex
Religion
Can match a radicalized person with terrorist intentions - was he a lone wolf or an accomplice. Would the accomplice be the real hiding cell waiting to blow up some special forces persons (killing cops is a favourite) and this person just a decoy?
Once his mental record came to light and investigated the likely hood of knowing if it was actually a bomb or if he would be involved would give a better understanding of the gravity of the situation.
So to immediately have a squad of police meet the aircraft on its arrival and either remove the bomb and Bluetooth speaker or offload pax could be the trap and key for the sleeper to detonate.
They would decide when to have maximum effect by the announcement of Captain or Cabin Crew to either stay seated or exit the aircraft.
Interviewing pax is different from clearing them as possible suspects.
* They use to give young kids a bit of a clip under the ear to straighten them up - they get damned for doing that now!
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LeadSled - I am familiar with some of the live aircraft training these Special Force Cops use to get in Perth. I got detailed info from one such event on an Australian Airlines aircraft. Airline staff are on board during this.
The boys are fairly brutal and zero consideration is given to the aircraft during training (nor should it be).
Over the years I have had many mates join many of the big airlines, while emergencies are certainly part of company training. Not one of them has ever mentioned detailed live bomb threat or hijack training.
The training they have mentioned is as above, where they are part of the Special Forces Training - while they experience the event and thunder bombs, they are merely props in the raid and certainly do not receive a participation certificate.
The boys are fairly brutal and zero consideration is given to the aircraft during training (nor should it be).
Over the years I have had many mates join many of the big airlines, while emergencies are certainly part of company training. Not one of them has ever mentioned detailed live bomb threat or hijack training.
The training they have mentioned is as above, where they are part of the Special Forces Training - while they experience the event and thunder bombs, they are merely props in the raid and certainly do not receive a participation certificate.
Amazing they didn't considering their propensity for jumping straight to this when a person is a Muslim and never when they aren't.
But, in this case, please, the national airline of a predominantly Muslim nation operating a flight to it's home base in that predominantly Muslim nation, what a surprise there would be Muslims on board... probably most of the pax, but strangely only one of them threatened anything.
I think the fact he was mentally ill was the key, the religious affiliation obviously a coincidence and nothing more. Pleased to see the media didn't plaster his alleged religious affiliation all of the news for once.
But, in this case, please, the national airline of a predominantly Muslim nation operating a flight to it's home base in that predominantly Muslim nation, what a surprise there would be Muslims on board... probably most of the pax, but strangely only one of them threatened anything.
I think the fact he was mentally ill was the key, the religious affiliation obviously a coincidence and nothing more. Pleased to see the media didn't plaster his alleged religious affiliation all of the news for once.
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That assumes he came via Malaysia when he arrived. Why would they carry him out now? Presumably his booking out of Australia has now been cancelled.
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I don't know this guys religion but it would be reasonable without evidence to the contrary to assume he was Muslim for reasons stated above.
Like it or not that creates an extra flag in this type of incident.
Minister Dutton is having trouble deporting people from Australia, often when he does it is overturned by the AAT. It has far more to do with politics than if someone should have a visa.
My opinion this guy has now gained an extended period in Australia while his treatment is provided until he is fit and well to stand before the AAT to appeal his visa rejection. The AAT has a far back log these days.
Like it or not that creates an extra flag in this type of incident.
Minister Dutton is having trouble deporting people from Australia, often when he does it is overturned by the AAT. It has far more to do with politics than if someone should have a visa.
My opinion this guy has now gained an extended period in Australia while his treatment is provided until he is fit and well to stand before the AAT to appeal his visa rejection. The AAT has a far back log these days.
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I don't know this guys religion but it would be reasonable without evidence to the contrary to assume he was Muslim for reasons stated above.
Like it or not that creates an extra flag in this type of incident.
Minister Dutton is having trouble deporting people from Australia, often when he does it is overturned by the AAT. It has far more to do with politics than if someone should have a visa.
My opinion this guy has now gained an extended period in Australia while his treatment is provided until he is fit and well to stand before the AAT to appeal his visa rejection. The AAT has a far back log these days.
Like it or not that creates an extra flag in this type of incident.
Minister Dutton is having trouble deporting people from Australia, often when he does it is overturned by the AAT. It has far more to do with politics than if someone should have a visa.
My opinion this guy has now gained an extended period in Australia while his treatment is provided until he is fit and well to stand before the AAT to appeal his visa rejection. The AAT has a far back log these days.
That being said, Sri Lanka is a massive melting pot, and 10% of the population is at least notionally Muslim, so who knows.
The guy clearly has mental health issues, and the police appear to be largely dismissive of any terrorist angle, so I would take it at face value that he's just a nutcase. If that is the case, the best thing is probably to stabilize him and then deported him before he becomes a further drain on either our corrective services or health systems.
The ongoing police investigation will likely get to the bottom of it.
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A: Because it doesn't fit the narrative necessary to militarize the civilian police forces and remove people's freedoms one by one.
But in the circumstance why does it matter? His religion is unlikely to be a contributing factor to his actions, whereas his mental illness surely was. Mental illness certainly doesn't give a toss about what religion you are.
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What is the terrorist profile as of today?
A mental illness often makes for some "extreme" statements - it does not need to be expected these will be carried out.
These are often voices in the head only.
No doubt the Captain has sufficient training to identify and control the situation, all part of the secret training program given in the mental sickness awarwness section of the company manual.
A mental illness often makes for some "extreme" statements - it does not need to be expected these will be carried out.
These are often voices in the head only.
No doubt the Captain has sufficient training to identify and control the situation, all part of the secret training program given in the mental sickness awarwness section of the company manual.
..for the record another attack today in London with people hit by a van and stabbed. Stop theses cretins now.
I refer you all to the late Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech to the UK House of Commons on 20th April 1968 which foretold of these events. Of Course no-one listened to him and thought he was nuts!
I refer you all to the late Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech to the UK House of Commons on 20th April 1968 which foretold of these events. Of Course no-one listened to him and thought he was nuts!