Hijack attempt on Malaysia Airlines
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Don't worry, there will be another enquiry (a la Lindt cafe) from which we will discover that "procedures were not followed" and that "better co-ordination is required between agencies".
Yes, minister.
Yes, minister.
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I have seen a lot of bollocks on pprune in the years and I can confidently say this thread has most of it. Deer with no eyes?.....No idea...and no I don't post much.
Also, considering the fact he was restrained, why the hour before they 'stormed' the aircraft (stormed being the media word for 'walked on board casually') - were they waiting until sufficient media to be there for the 'storming'.
Just a bit cynical in these days of post-Abbott and Dutton penchant for adding 'Force' the end of every Commonwealth agency. What's next, 'CentreLink Force' and Centrelink clerks carrying weapons???
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Yes, the crew and pax did a good job sorting him out... which does raise the question in this time of Australia leaning more and more toward militarisation of Police whether it was indeed necessary for what looked like a dozen heavily armed and adorned SAS people to come on board for one mentally disturbed man tied to a chair who couldn't move... am I the only one that thinks this was someone over the top.
Also, considering the fact he was restrained, why the hour before they 'stormed' the aircraft (stormed being the media word for 'walked on board casually') - were they waiting until sufficient media to be there for the 'storming'.
Just a bit cynical in these days of post-Abbott and Dutton penchant for adding 'Force' the end of every Commonwealth agency. What's next, 'CentreLink Force' and Centrelink clerks carrying weapons???
Also, considering the fact he was restrained, why the hour before they 'stormed' the aircraft (stormed being the media word for 'walked on board casually') - were they waiting until sufficient media to be there for the 'storming'.
Just a bit cynical in these days of post-Abbott and Dutton penchant for adding 'Force' the end of every Commonwealth agency. What's next, 'CentreLink Force' and Centrelink clerks carrying weapons???
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There was talk last week about arming some foot police in Melbourne with automatic weapons.
`A danger to themselves and the general public when it comes to the use of their sidearms!`
(And that quote comes from an acquaintance who once served as a firearms Instructor for the South Australian Police Force.)
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Perhaps the shrink who released him out into the wild should bare some responsibility for this disruption, but how would they know this person would then go buy an airline ticket and have an neurotic episode in flight.
Are travel agents allowed to ask about your medical history, is it a compulsory question when booking online? No.
Perhaps the shrinks should arrange some adjustment time for these ill people before they are allowed near heavy machinery, particularly if there is no support.
Mental health issues are the new scourge of the modern world and their is no one size fits all answer to the problem. This situation is also not helped by the many inexperienced psychologists seeking to make a nice quick buck out of this profession.
Are travel agents allowed to ask about your medical history, is it a compulsory question when booking online? No.
Perhaps the shrinks should arrange some adjustment time for these ill people before they are allowed near heavy machinery, particularly if there is no support.
Mental health issues are the new scourge of the modern world and their is no one size fits all answer to the problem. This situation is also not helped by the many inexperienced psychologists seeking to make a nice quick buck out of this profession.
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The way the public are looking at this is; the stated police logic is the best way of keeping 300 folk safe is for them to remain locked in a fuelled jet, with a known suspect device onboard, because there could be a second bomb and accomplice on board!
Public won't buy that.
They also won't buy the concept that a swat team will neutralise the accomplice without further risk to passengers, either by friendly fire or the accomplice preemptively detonating his device.
What risk was there in quickly removing the suspect device and the nutter? Or disembarking passengers, without hand luggage into busses?
Don't need to wait for a swat team to achieve any of that.
What certainty was there that there wasn't a real device with a timer onboard?
There is no outcry that the guys who tackled the suspect in the air put lives at risk.
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Public won't buy that.
They also won't buy the concept that a swat team will neutralise the accomplice without further risk to passengers, either by friendly fire or the accomplice preemptively detonating his device.
What risk was there in quickly removing the suspect device and the nutter? Or disembarking passengers, without hand luggage into busses?
Don't need to wait for a swat team to achieve any of that.
What certainty was there that there wasn't a real device with a timer onboard?
There is no outcry that the guys who tackled the suspect in the air put lives at risk.
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mrdeux, I totally agree with you.
I just watched the Victorian police commissioner,(at least I think that's who he was ) defending the 90 min delay in allowing pax off the flight.
His logic is so flawed he needs to at the very least go back for retraining,at worst demoted.
Statements like possibly another "terrorist" on board ,an explosive device, or maybe even the aircraft being booby trapped are all valid concerns.
What is absolutely not acceptable is keeping 300 people locked up in a tin tube surrounded by 70 tonnes of kero.
There is no excuse for getting those passengers out of harms way in the shortest possible time,15 mins would the maximum time I would be prepared to leave my pax on board and only after assessing that the perpetrator was restrained and I was satisfied that there was no bomb on board.
And there's the rub, if he said that the item that he had was a bomb I am not in a position to confirm or deny that, in that case you must evacuate immediately.
Leaving it up to anyone on the ground to make that assessment is not an option.
I just watched the Victorian police commissioner,(at least I think that's who he was ) defending the 90 min delay in allowing pax off the flight.
His logic is so flawed he needs to at the very least go back for retraining,at worst demoted.
Statements like possibly another "terrorist" on board ,an explosive device, or maybe even the aircraft being booby trapped are all valid concerns.
What is absolutely not acceptable is keeping 300 people locked up in a tin tube surrounded by 70 tonnes of kero.
There is no excuse for getting those passengers out of harms way in the shortest possible time,15 mins would the maximum time I would be prepared to leave my pax on board and only after assessing that the perpetrator was restrained and I was satisfied that there was no bomb on board.
And there's the rub, if he said that the item that he had was a bomb I am not in a position to confirm or deny that, in that case you must evacuate immediately.
Leaving it up to anyone on the ground to make that assessment is not an option.
It's hard to be critical of the police but could it be that they got bogged down in checklists, risk assessments and rehearsals for fear that by making a split second decision they could be second-guessed by a leisurely two year inquiry? Did they consult with the captain? I can't imagine he would not want his pax off the aeroplane immediately.
Well said, faheel & mrdeux.
If the same incident scenario happened in the U.S. or indeed the U.K., France or Germany I can't imagine it taking up to an hour and a half for the authorities to enter the aircraft.
If the same incident scenario happened in the U.S. or indeed the U.K., France or Germany I can't imagine it taking up to an hour and a half for the authorities to enter the aircraft.
I think you probably nailed it Rodney R and that is absolutely no reflection on the boots on ground people who stand the risk of not making it home to their families, management seem to be hellbent on disciplining out any trace of initiative or common sense.
I have got to say that I would be extremely unhappy if I or loved ones were left cooped up in a threatening environment for 90mins whilst someone extracted his/her head from their digestive tract; either you take the threat seriously, in which case you get pax out asap or you don't in which case 2 officers could have waltzed onboard and bounced ****bags down as many stairs as they deemed necessary. FFS, even the most backward of airports seems to have no difficulty in keeping pax coralled in one area and isolating them from outside contact.
I have got to say that I would be extremely unhappy if I or loved ones were left cooped up in a threatening environment for 90mins whilst someone extracted his/her head from their digestive tract; either you take the threat seriously, in which case you get pax out asap or you don't in which case 2 officers could have waltzed onboard and bounced ****bags down as many stairs as they deemed necessary. FFS, even the most backward of airports seems to have no difficulty in keeping pax coralled in one area and isolating them from outside contact.
I think the Captain was in charge while waiting for the Police so would certainly have been within his rights to pop the slides and take all passengers off out of harms way , the threat was not yet 100% confirmed either way .
Good information learned from this rely on your instincts and not the external Police /Swat teams .
Good information learned from this rely on your instincts and not the external Police /Swat teams .
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I have been told by many and often- The Pilot In Command is in charge and has ultimate responsibility, when he is on the aircraft at times like this.
So why did he not evacuate the aircraft?
Not one of you have mentioned this ultimate person of responsibility - but now want to blame police for not taking control when apparently it is the captain who did not follow the regs.
So why did he not evacuate the aircraft?
Not one of you have mentioned this ultimate person of responsibility - but now want to blame police for not taking control when apparently it is the captain who did not follow the regs.
Didn't Trevor go ballistic at people when he didn't get his way?
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They are all listed in the thread a month or so back - with lots of cheat beating.
But those "captains" seem quiet on this!
Around the United Doctor removal time.
But those "captains" seem quiet on this!
Around the United Doctor removal time.