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Old 30th Jan 2017, 17:17
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Originally Posted by lee_apromise
FO acting as PF logs as PIC/ICUS in FAA land. Other countries do it all the time too. Otherwise, how do you get ATPL if you got an airline job after getting your CPL? Don't know about Australia.
If you're talking about FAA regs, you can't get an airline job without 1500 hours anyway, of which most of that would be from single pilot part 135 or flight instructing. ie, real PIC and not your BS PIC/ICUS which doesn't exist.
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Old 30th Jan 2017, 17:35
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If you're talking about FAA regs, you can't get an airline job without 1500 hours anyway, of which most of that would be from single pilot part 135 or flight instructing. ie, real PIC and not your BS PIC/ICUS which doesn't exist.
Jeez, VH DSJ, if you are gonna brand me as BS, then at least get your facts straight. Have a read on PIC logging time ruling by FAA.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...AND%20TIME.pdf

Apparently, what you think as BS PIC/ICUS exists in FAA land. By your logic, all FAA pilots are fraud because they could log safety pilot hours as PIC during their time building.

Double checked on this with FAA FSDO.
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Old 30th Jan 2017, 19:21
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Thanks Don for your valuable comment with regards to my education, I will take your very insulting comments on board and crawl into my cubby whole and sulk for the rest of the day...
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Old 30th Jan 2017, 19:45
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In FAA land logging PIC time if appropriately rated and sole manipulator of controls (even if you're the FO) is technically allowed.

That being said pretty much all decent 121 carriers won't recognize any time logged as PIC while being an FO at a 121 carrier. They'll only recognize PIC time logged as aircraft captain. It's not hard for them to work out either as the ALPA seniority lists are available to most majors recruiting dept.
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Old 30th Jan 2017, 20:15
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Who cares about FAA rules..this is the Virgin Australia thread.


On that note, what is the latest interview process? Phone Interview, HR, Sim? I have read no more tech questions. Apparently the sim is done in the E190?
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Old 30th Jan 2017, 22:44
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
Thanks Don for your valuable comment with regards to my education, I will take your very insulting comments on board and crawl into my cubby whole and sulk for the rest of the day...
No problems at all. Always happy to help.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 01:13
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Originally Posted by havick
That being said pretty much all decent 121 carriers won't recognize any time logged as PIC while being an FO at a 121 carrier. They'll only recognize PIC time logged as aircraft captain. It's not hard for them to work out either as the ALPA seniority lists are available to most majors recruiting dept.
That was my point to lee_appromise, and the majors in the US even point this out on their online recruitment page. I also doubt very much airlines in Australia would consider it. It's pretty much black and white in the logging of flight time here, that there can only be one PIC and not the 'Claytons' PIC you have in the US.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 01:29
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That was my point to lee_appromise, and the majors in the US even point this out on their online recruitment page. I also doubt very much airlines in Australia would consider it. It's pretty much black and white in the logging of flight time here, that there can only be one PIC and not the 'Claytons' PIC you have in the US.
VH DSJ, your point taken and this is what I wrote above.

Of course, everyone in the states knows that. FAA logbook does not have ICUS column. Hence SIC performing PF logs hours under PIC column. No idiot will claim this type of PIC hour as Part 121 PIC hours requirement. It is just for the purpose of meeting Part 61 requirement. But then again, one needs 1500 hours for 121 ops so nobody bothers with this kind of question.
I just wanted to ask if 500 PIC can be substituted with 500 ICUS as PF. I didn't claim that it was PIC.

I rest my case.

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Old 31st Jan 2017, 02:51
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Just in case someone reads this and gets confused.

Pilot in command has nothing to do with handling the controls.

In Australia, at present.

Clear?
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Old 5th Feb 2017, 03:46
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Any more info on the actual hiring process, not PIC logging in the USA?
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 21:52
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Any more info on the actual hiring process
Submit your application.

Online numerical, verbal and spatial reasoning.

If you make it past that you get an invite to a two day assessment.

Day 1
Panel interview
Group Exercise

Day 2
Sim
Planning exercise

Or vice versa if there lots of applicants.

Reference checks.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 00:23
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Ah but thats only the first stage of Wiggley.

After reference checks its then;

Day 10
Passed reference checks, indicate likely course start date of Day 60

Day 50
Nothing heard
Emails not responded to.

Day 60
Nothing heard.

Day 143
Call from HR, "sorry we had some sickness in the department, got us a bit behind, we'll let you know by Day 157

Day 157
Nothing heard

Day 265
Call from HR "Sorry we've been busy. We need to do a reference check again, please call your references to let me them we're calling within 3 days

Day 268
Nothing heard.

Day 347
Call from HR "Hi we've got another course date for you.. What do you mean you've taken a position with another carrier? Do you know how much of our time you've wasted?" *hangs up*



Enjoy.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 03:48
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Don't take it so personally Uber. You aren't the first person not to be the centre of the HR universe and you won't be the last.

It took over 700 days of being ignored before I got thrown a bone by my airline.... sometimes stuff just happens, particularly in this industry.

You obviously landed on your feet and dodged a bullet with VA anyway, so happy days!!
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 04:23
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Uber,

Did they seriously make the charge against you for wasting THEIR time? No wonder HR are considered in every industry as parasites.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 04:55
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Yeh no stress 34R, as you say it all worked out ok.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 06:37
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Having been on both sides of the table I can tell you that they ( airlines in general) don't give a toss about you until they desperately need you to keep their planes in the air.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 08:47
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Having been on both sides of the table I can tell you that they ( airlines in general) don't give a toss about you until they desperately need you to keep their planes in the air.
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And VA mainline is very close to admitting they're in that situation, without a plan to get out.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 05:49
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Thanks for the info Wiggley. How long should one expect to wait from submitting their application to progressing to the next phase?
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 06:14
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Apparently calls have been made with offers over the past few days....
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 06:15
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Originally Posted by Brakerider
Thanks for the info Wiggley. How long should one expect to wait from submitting their application to progressing to the next phase?
I've heard of some people progressing through quickly, others made it through to interviews after almost 12 months of nothing.
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