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Old 16th Aug 2023, 03:06
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Originally Posted by plotplot
Because it is still infinitely better than where they are currently.



Compared to what? Genuine question. Keeping in mind that not everybody is interested in doing 9 day trips to London in the back seat.



Is it really that hard to have a half decent lifestyle with 12 rdo's a roster? Again, genuine question.
Compared to the 3 major airlines people aspire to work for in this country - QF, JQ and VA. The former now pay better, have better career progression, better base options and better fleet options.

The 12 days off are required to stay functional in this job. There is no functioning PBS or Trip Swap system. FDP are used as targets. People are exhausted. Throw in the people who commute (guessing approx 30% of crew) and there is a lot of disharmony. The resignation rate reflects how people are feeling.

Itís a good place to use as a stepping stone to greener pastures, but not many are staying for the long term.
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Red69
Compared to the 3 major airlines people aspire to work for in this country - QF, JQ and VA. The former now pay better, have better career progression, better base options and better fleet options.

The 12 days off are required to stay functional in this job. There is no functioning PBS or Trip Swap system. FDP are used as targets. People are exhausted. Throw in the people who commute (guessing approx 30% of crew) and there is a lot of disharmony. The resignation rate reflects how people are feeling.

Itís a good place to use as a stepping stone to greener pastures, but not many are staying for the long term.
I donít think the days at JQ or QF on their respective NB fleets are much better to be fair. The fact is flying around NB aeroplanes under CAO48.1 (which VA arenít on yet!) is hard going. Iím certainly thankful I have a minimum of 12 days off. I donít know how youíd survive this job on 10.

People are resigning, but again I donít think itís in any great number. It definitely peaked when quite a flew left for Atlas, but since then it seems to have gone quiet (unless there are a heap to still go to QF - but that number has been big for 18 months apparently.). At a guess Iíd suggest the resignation rate is around the 5% mark? Iím also not sure itís quite right to say that people arenít staying long term - there is a hell of a lot of people who have been in the place 20/15/10 years.

You make a good point about career progression and QF certainly offers variety in a career. Itís the one thing Virgin canít offer, and itís significant. Itís the one thing if I was younger and had a choice of who to apply to, that Iíd be factoring in.
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 11:04
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Something else to consider: how certain is the future of mainline QF SH?
Is the fleet size going to stay the same (or even expand) or shrink when the 737 is phased out and the flying is given to one or more subsidiaries?
Whatever one ends up choosing, it is always a gamble.
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 12:00
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I wouldnít worry too much about the size of the subsidiaries long term. They will never be able to attract the numbers that they need on the terms theyíre offering.

My prediction is that eventually most, not all, flying thatís been farmed out to the subsidiaries will be brought back into mainline more out of necessity.
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 23:30
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Originally Posted by MikeHatter732
Yeah, well maybe half the people going there are from a certain red tailed turboprop operator who are paid crap for more work (8 days off a roster) and then QF either flat out refused to take them or told them their "indicative" start date was in 3 years time.
I've heard too that out of those 8 days off a month, most pilots are working on their days off just to make ends meet. So then going from 6 or 7 days off a month to 12 is huge. Is it true it's double the wage to go to Virgin?
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 23:43
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Originally Posted by CaptainInsaneO
I've heard too that out of those 8 days off a month, most pilots are working on their days off just to make ends meet. So then going from 6 or 7 days off a month to 12 is huge. Is it true it's double the wage to go to Virgin?

More than doubleÖ QantasLink starting salary is 66K
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 04:27
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Originally Posted by Cancelspeeds
More than doubleÖ QantasLink starting salary is 66K
Really? That is appalling for a professional job. This needs to be spread far and wide to inspire the youth not to take up flying as a career.
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Old 31st Aug 2023, 01:49
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The hectic rate of training/recruiting at VA is slowing.

Forecasting only 80 new FOs and 27 command upgrades in 12 months. In addition to jobs announced and Fokker transfers. Fleet will plateau for a year or so when the Max 8s arrive.
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Old 31st Aug 2023, 06:22
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Really? That is appalling for a professional job. This needs to be spread far and wide to inspire the youth not to take up flying as a career.
Thatís why they built Wellcamp. Itís the Qantas(Link) Pilot Academy
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Old 31st Aug 2023, 13:42
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Thatís why they built Wellcamp. Itís the Qantas(Link) Pilot Academy
Book now and get a free JQ start date!
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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 10:04
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Originally Posted by Goat Whisperer
The hectic rate of training/recruiting at VA is slowing.

Forecasting only 80 new FOs and 27 command upgrades in 12 months. In addition to jobs announced and Fokker transfers. Fleet will plateau for a year or so when the Max 8s arrive.
Do you have any info on the 12 months from when? Quite a few now waiting for a start date that interviewed from late June onwards. Still interviewing until end of September I heard, others who who were due to interview after Sept have been pushed back until next year.
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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 10:45
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Originally Posted by plotplot
Do you have any info on the 12 months from when? Quite a few now waiting for a start date that interviewed from late June onwards. Still interviewing until end of September I heard, others who who were due to interview after Sept have been pushed back until next year.
Essentially 27 commands and 80 FO spots from November this year until October next year. Well at least thatís what they think today anyway!
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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 10:59
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There are still a good number of ex VANZ pilots who I understand have an option to return to VA until 2026 ?.
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Old 4th Sep 2023, 10:43
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Originally Posted by tiger-palm
There are still a good number of ex VANZ pilots who I understand have an option to return to VA until 2026 ?.
Correct. As well as any other pilots made redundant in 2020 under the reemployment policy - wide body / ATR and Tiger also. As time goes buy one would think that most would have made their bed and if they arenít back then probably not coming back - albeit the right of return is there till 2026.
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 09:39
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Who else got an invite for assessment centres? I didn't get one until April. Were there earlier dates available?
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 23:03
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Originally Posted by Mr Google Head
Correct. As well as any other pilots made redundant in 2020 under the reemployment policy - wide body / ATR and Tiger also. As time goes buy one would think that most would have made their bed and if they arenít back then probably not coming back - albeit the right of return is there till 2026.
Probably a thread drift, but I wonder how many of those made redundant have chosen to stay away from aviation ever since, how many have made their bed somewhere else, and how many have actually come back. The opportunities for everyone to come back have been there, but clearly many have stayed away.
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Old 12th Sep 2023, 21:43
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Probably a thread drift, but I wonder how many of those made redundant have chosen to stay away from aviation ever since, how many have made their bed somewhere else, and how many have actually come back. The opportunities for everyone to come back have been there, but clearly many have stayed away.
I think that tells you exactly what they think of VA.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 03:15
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Curious to know what bases are currently being offered for new hires? and what are the approximate wait times for a BNE or PER transfer?
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 07:09
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Majority SYD and MEL, a few ADL and 1 PER this year. Probably a long wait for Perth, seems to be a stable base. Brisbane- years at this stage.
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Old 27th Sep 2023, 00:57
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VARA 320/F100 spots in PER went to the bottom of the list so thats possible, 737 in PER unlikely.
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