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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 09:34
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Thanks for the info
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Old 3rd Mar 2023, 08:36
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Looks like they've exhausted the inactive list
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Old 3rd Mar 2023, 10:32
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Very much luck to all applying for FO roles within VA
The pays not what it was and with inflation screaming along probably it’s going to get worse
On the plus it’s practically part time. You work your balls off then you get a **** ton of time off. I’ve actually taken off a lot of weight under the new regime. The system does give you a chance to get fit and be with family and friends. Most of the skippers are very cool guys but unfortunately due to roster optimising it’s harder to form bonds. Plus is cheaper overnights
For those interviewing. Would you allow HR to pick Manchester United players ? Of course not. Virgin did it very well in the old days with the old fireside chat. Don’t take it hard if Jenny Aka from HR DOUBTS YOUR MOTIVATION . Another company will pick you up
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Old 3rd Mar 2023, 11:33
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Originally Posted by Neeewman
Don’t take it hard if Jenny Aka from HR DOUBTS YOUR MOTIVATION . Another company will pick you up
best wishes to all
Really? Like HR doesn’t exist anywhere else? QF are obsessed by the psych test, Cathay by the cocktail party etc……..

If you wanna work for crapsville airlines, then great, your wil get picked up. If you want to work for a serious airline, expect a serious process.
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Old 4th Mar 2023, 10:26
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10% of the pilots have left in the last year... that should say something to new recruits. I'd think twice before going to Virgin. #dontsayyouwerentwarned
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Old 4th Mar 2023, 19:12
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Plus a 15 year wait for command. Wait until Bain leaves the building to see what remains of the carcass otherwise could be a dead end job
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Old 4th Mar 2023, 20:40
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Plus a 15 year wait for command. Wait until Bain leaves the building to see what remains of the carcass otherwise could be a dead end job
from my buddy over there, they'd take a 15 year wait (if joining today) in a heartbeat. Sounding like it could be significantly more if things were to stay the way they currently are. There was also a suggestion that both the fokkers and 320 drivers will keep commands when moving to the 737, even if they don't hold the seniority.
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Old 4th Mar 2023, 20:53
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
from my buddy over there, they'd take a 15 year wait (if joining today) in a heartbeat. Sounding like it could be significantly more if things were to stay the way they currently are. There was also a suggestion that both the fokkers and 320 drivers will keep commands when moving to the 737, even if they don't hold the seniority.
Of course they would keep their commands!!!
It’s a 1 for 1 fleet replacement. And some of those captains have been there since before virgin even existed.
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Old 5th Mar 2023, 03:42
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What is with all the negative comments about working at Virgin. If you disregard the long time to command (which doesn't really bother me) you have what appears to be a good roster with lots of days off, a descent (but not great) salary and new aircraft and destinations to soon be added. Is there something I'm missing?
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Old 5th Mar 2023, 04:44
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Originally Posted by kjvmw
What is with all the negative comments about working at Virgin. If you disregard the long time to command (which doesn't really bother me) you have what appears to be a good roster with lots of days off, a descent (but not great) salary and new aircraft and destinations to soon be added. Is there something I'm missing?
Agreed, It is what it is.

Plenty of "Dead End" Aviation (and non Aviation for that matter) jobs out there.

12 off in 28, in the top 10% of salary earners, and Flying Jet equipment. Millions of Australians have built solid productive lives on much, much less. Listening to some here, it really makes me wonder why they ever got into the game in the first place?
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Old 5th Mar 2023, 05:26
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Originally Posted by kjvmw
What is with all the negative comments about working at Virgin. If you disregard the long time to command (which doesn't really bother me) you have what appears to be a good roster with lots of days off, a descent (but not great) salary and new aircraft and destinations to soon be added. Is there something I'm missing?
Yes. Yes you are.

You’re not a bitter old fart who hates the world because it’s not what it use to be. Remember the glory days? (I don’t, I’m too young).

by the looks of it you could dump 20 metric tonnes of gold on most (not all) of their doorsteps and they’d still look down their nose, over their bifocals, take a sip of their $800 bottle of red wine, and tell you it’s not shiny enough
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Old 5th Mar 2023, 05:28
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You’re not a bitter old fart who hates the world because it’s not what it use to be.
Why would you not want it to be like it used to be?
Like, you know, when you got paid well and were respected by your company for your skill, experience and professionalism?
I'm 44 - am I an old fart?
It's a race to the bottom and you're winning...
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Old 5th Mar 2023, 05:37
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Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight
Why would you not want it to be like it used to be?
Like, you know, when you got paid well and were respected by your company for your skill, experience and professionalism?
I'm 44 - am I an old fart?
It's a race to the bottom and you're winning...
certainly not implying we shouldn't fight for better. We always should, otherwise they’ll just run over us.

It’s just the doom and gloom routine gets exhausting. I may be just a lowly FO with an average but perfectly live-able salary, and I can still find plenty of things to enjoy about the job and industry. The camaraderie is second to none and they can never take that away from us even though it appears they’re giving it a good nudge sometimes
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Old 5th Mar 2023, 05:41
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I may be just a lowly FO with an average but perfectly live-able salary, and I can still find plenty of things to enjoy about the job and industry.
I'd argue that you should be on a better than a "live-able" salary for the job you're doing - but appreciate that you responded and agree we should fight for better.
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Old 5th Mar 2023, 05:48
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Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight
I'd argue that you should be on a better than "live-able" salary for the job you're doing - but appreciate that you responded and agree we should fight for better.
I certainly feel all of us should be. It’s a shame Australian management sees us as a B grade profession these days. It certainly is not. The dedication and responsibility is up there with the best. I just personally can’t keep up with the doom and gloom that’s all. Not for a second degrading my fellow pilots good sir. That’s what management wants us to do. Never.
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Old 5th Mar 2023, 06:30
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I strongly disagree the salary is liveable, this is no longer true post COVID. During my most recent shop I observed a price rise of 15% on my usual goods. Where I live you cannot buy a family home under $1m.

the salary may have been reasonable pre 2020 but it no longer is.
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Old 5th Mar 2023, 07:18
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
But is a "live-able" salary acceptable with $100k+ of debt, and an entire lifetime career missing birthdays, anniversaries, school and public holidays with the kids, and half those "days off" walking around like a zombie? Most my friends can plan to do whatever they want on any given weekend for their entire lives, also on very liveable salaries.

certainly not acceptable.

I feel I’ve expressed myself poorly. my original statement was more a statement on my frustration on the constant doom and gloom. It certainly should be more than “acceptable” or “live-able”. We all sacrifice a lot.

also, on reflection I feel the term “old farts” was a very poor generalization. Not all of the older age bracket are doom and gloomers, and not all doom and gloomers are of the older age bracket. Have nothing but respect and admiration for the older generation that train us and mentor us. To date, nothing but positive experiences with any training and checking… I hope to do it one day myself.

Would just like to read some positivity about the job once in a while. Like it’s still something worth doing.
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Old 5th Mar 2023, 09:01
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But is a "live-able" salary acceptable with $100k+ of debt, and an entire lifetime career missing birthdays, anniversaries, school and public holidays with the kids, and half those "days off" walking around like a zombie? Most my friends can plan to do whatever they want on any given weekend for their entire lives, also on very liveable salaries.
I think this is really the issue for the profession and ultimately airlines as a whole. It is not a normal job you sacrifice a lot and if you are only earning what everyone else is or possibly less, what's the point?? Either the lifestyle has to change to come into line with everyone else or you need to get paid more. Then throw into the mix partners trying to work and also both of you managing a family and it becomes a very hard sell.
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Old 5th Mar 2023, 20:51
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
But is a "live-able" salary acceptable with $100k+ of debt, and an entire lifetime career missing birthdays, anniversaries, school and public holidays with the kids, and half those "days off" walking around like a zombie? Most my friends can plan to do whatever they want on any given weekend for their entire lives, also on very liveable salaries.
why miss any of that stuff. Haven’t missed anniversary, wife or kids bday in 16 years. Take a PRA. F&$k em. It’s a job, not a life. The only thing that matters about it is that the pay appears each fortnight. Remove the attachment and life will be much better. You dont owe them anything. As COVID showed, they’ll drop you in a heartbeat without batting an eyelid.
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Old 5th Mar 2023, 22:25
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Spot on

Originally Posted by cloudsurfng
why miss any of that stuff. Haven’t missed anniversary, wife or kids bday in 16 years. Take a PRA. F&$k em. It’s a job, not a life. The only thing that matters about it is that the pay appears each fortnight. Remove the attachment and life will be much better. You dont owe them anything. As COVID showed, they’ll drop you in a heartbeat without batting an eyelid.
Absolutely spot on. The sooner people stop believing the corporate BS ‘We are all one big family’ the better we will be. Pilots need to become cut throat in the way we treat these corporations. Stick together and make as much money as possible.

’We are one big family’ except with finances and when the next GFC strikes, then you you are on your own regardless of your mortgage, kids school fees, bills etc..

You owe these airlines nothing, stop being ‘So grateful for the opportunity’ like you see on job social media sites all the time..

When times are tough the board of directors get pay rises, you get fired and the cycle starts all over again.
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