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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 09:09
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Today we’ve opened up pilot recruitment to the broader industry for mainline Second Officer positions, for the second time in nine years.
To support our Group pilot recruitment activity, we’ve decided to hit the road with our pilot recruitment roadshows throughout April. If you know anyone who might like to attend
Anyone holding onto to the Australian exceptionalism as it applies to a pilot shortage may need to re think the validity of their position.

Qantas are short..
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 10:33
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The group is short. Mainline isn’t... yet. They will be but another year or two I reckon when the shortage is really biting.

The bigger issue is the model of opening up applications and taking 18 months to process the applicants. In the interim there are a number of great candidates who have already moved on to other airlines.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 10:44
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Keg,

Why does it take 18 months to process applicants ?

Any info on how many "competitive" applications the company has on file ?
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 11:22
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G’day Bafanguy. Once upon a time Qantas was always open for recruitment. You could submit an application at any time and they’d process you. As a result of people applying when they became qualified (or tired of where they were working) the system was always processing 30-40* applications per month for the 8-16 positions available. (*Not sure of exact numbers).

After not having recruited from January 2009 until August 2016 Qantas opened up applications processing former cadets and letter of intent holders from 2009 in June/ July 2016 as well as both internal and external applicants from about September 2016. There were about 1300 applications to process- not a very big number really considering the 9 year gap- and it’s simply taken until November last year to work through them all.

If Rated De has been forwarded the email then he too has the projected recruitment numbers for 2018. I’d post them but last time I posted information also available to the other 2200 Qantas pilots Flight Ops Management received a call from another department complaining. So sadly someone else will need to post that up. For the same reason I can’t comment on the numbers still on hold.

So if PPRUNERs want the latest info, they’ll have to get to a roadshow that Qantas will be running around the nation.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 12:18
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But Keg, will the roadshows just be run by HR numpties churning out their idealism?

Why does Qantas need to do these roadshows? And I noticed the other day that apparently you don’t even need ATPL subjects now!

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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 12:21
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Yeah, road shows, wtf
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 12:29
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Road show's are usually a sign that they know their aren't enough applicants that are interested in them based on what information is available online so they'll send out the HR types to put a positive spin on things.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 13:01
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A road show can indicate within 2 minutes of scanning the room(s) how big and how fast the academy setup will need to be.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 21:02
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Gday morno. Note the roadshows are for the group and not mainline specific. So the ‘no ATPL subjects’ alluded to re the roadshow I suspect is targeted toward QLink and/or Network/ JQ. They simply want as many people in the room as possible. Mainline requirements as updated recently on the Qantas website still require ATPL subjects.

As per my previous comments I don’t reckon mainline is going to be short of applicants (this year) so my assessment of these roadshows is that they’re more targeting the other airlines in the group or gauging the level of active interest in the academy as Gligg alludes to.

Worth pointing out too that I’m no longer involved in pilot recruitment so I’ve only my assessment to offer. No inside knowledge to speak of.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 05:57
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Road show's are usually a sign that they know their aren't enough applicants that are interested in them based on what information is available online so they'll send out the HR types to put a positive spin on things.
The battle for relevance is on..Getting HR/IR tentacles out of the Flight Operation takes a lot of undoing
Weasel words aside, Qantas careers have been a stagnant pond, with all growth directed at the 'wedge' they desired JQ to be.

Ever wonder why no other full service airline has a Low Fare Airline of the size of JQ?


There were about 1300 applications to process- not a very big number really considering the 9 year gap- and it’s simply taken until November last year to work through them all.
There are 200 pilots required this year.
There are very few CPL being issued, retirement rates are beginning to bite and again the smartest guys in the room are behind the curve.

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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 07:15
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Trick the newbie into thinking a position at the Link is a Qantas job, that is what the "roadshows" are about.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 11:17
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Trick the newbie into thinking a position at the Link is a Qantas job, that is what the "roadshows" are about.
Exactly...

It is amusing watching them do everything except acknowledge that their model of employee relations, of which terms and conditions are a component is a failure...
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 03:26
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Rated De,

No other full service airline has a low fare airline the size of Jetstar, because Qantas (and Virgin with Tiger) need to ensure there is no market gap for a third entrant. It's a strategy of protection given the uniqueness of the Australian domestic market and the proportion of profit achievable from this sector.

But back to Qantas pilot recruitment: Good luck to everyone applying!
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 04:00
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Originally Posted by Don Diego View Post
Trick the newbie into thinking a position at the Link is a Qantas job, that is what the "roadshows" are about.
It will be interesting to see how many of the qlink pilots actually get into mainline in this next round of interviews...
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 04:09
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The bigger issue is the model of opening up applications and taking 18 months to process the applicants. In the interim there are a number of great candidates who have already moved on to other airlines.
Exactly. Applicants are being placed onto a hold for for longer than 9 months, getting interviews with VB and a job within the month. Good applicants being lost for no reason. The processing times are completely unwarranted.
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Exactly. Applicants are being placed onto a hold for for longer than 9 months, getting interviews with VB and a job within the month. Good applicants being lost for no reason. The processing times are completely unwarranted.
Depends on which point of view..

For the eager HR practictioner an endless work cycle requires more resources. More resources mean more staff, more staff mean bigger empires..

Wash, rinse and repeat and one gets an insight into how the west was lost!

Of course the Operating Revenue withers on the vine as flights go uncrewed
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 06:35
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Props, if the big kahuna at Qlink had his way I guess the answer would be "not many", but he holds no trump cards in the game so mother Q will take what mother Q wants to take and just leave the ever growing mess for him to manage. Interesting EBA approaching.
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 08:09
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but he holds no trump cards in the game so mother Q will take what mother Q wants to take and just leave the ever growing mess for him to manage.
For decades they set pilot groups against each other, they actively stopped progression, promotion and transfer. Whole empires were built on it.

As it unravels it must be amusing to watch them fight among themselves...
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 08:55
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Sad rather than amusing but then again it has been that way ever since the greasy pole climber of the day made his statement in court.

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Old 25th Mar 2018, 03:13
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Any internals started online testing yet?
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