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Old 25th Feb 2018, 00:55
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Originally Posted by ADawg View Post
A few points.

1. Q will have to increase the HR department by X to cope with the administration of candidates. It doesn't seem to run that well now from the experience of myself and others.
How funny! And, sadly, very accurate.

The first person appointed to the ‘project’ was from HR

The whole thing is being run by the new rostering department.
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Old 25th Feb 2018, 01:42
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So true Rated De

Idiots like Justin bleiber Are keen on making BS aspersions about minor pilot issues all whilst the Board and executive responsible from Jetstar should have been sacked for their abject and complete failure with JQ Hong Kong.

Hundreds of millions of dollars of Shareholders money was wasted in a poorly researched and poorly executed utter failure.
Could have paid 5 years of pilot costs across the group with the money they Lost.
Zero accountability. Same BS excuses for bad business acumen and poor research.
Fast forward to today and you see billions of dollars spent on share buybacks and f&*$ all investment in mainline fleet renewal. But that’s ok because you cancel Shares and bonuses boom at coward street. Fools gold.
S and P are hip to their game of kick the can down the road whilst snouting the trough. Alan’s response is to say they are poorly researched. 8 787s a fleet renewal it is not.
Spending no Capex on fleet renewal whilst fuel is low doesn’t make you the smartest guy in the room. Of course when fuel rises he’ll use that as an excuse for lack of profitability and blame the staff. Just like that simplistic fool Bleiber.
God help the poor executive that take over the basket case in ten years.
The current mob will have exited the building with hundreds of millions.
Short term thinking for short term executives and short term shareholders.
Shares and options should have a five to ten year vesting period. At least that way you’d see a smart balance of looking after shareholders AND the long term viability of the airline.
No wonder the public are disgusted that an airline CEO can make more than the CEO of any investment bank that is far larger and more profitable.
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Old 25th Feb 2018, 03:35
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Originally Posted by Ixixly View Post
and the number of people who joined because "It looked cool" was staggering, many I wouldn't have thought should be in a cockpit back then and just as many now that I definitely don't think should be
This is my biggest fear. They'll end up taking the spots of more dedicated people that'll go on to make great pilots! And I can only start to imagine how much more difficult it would be to teach the ones that do it because its "cool" and what they're like to fly with in a multi crew environment.
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Old 25th Feb 2018, 04:07
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One can just see the reality TV show hype, when the first gay disabled aboriginal pilot graduates from the Big Roo Flying Academy at Tamworth.

On winning the Honourable Barnaby Joyce best cadet trophy, the new Qantas pilot told the audience how he had a dream to fly ever since seeing one of those clapped out flying machines land at their remote Arnhem community bringing in supplies of traditional KFC.

His vision was to be a pilot with the worlds safest airline, and truly thanked the management and the incredible HR support team for giving him that opportunity. He looked forward bringing his life experiences to flight deck, and hoped one day to be the B787 fleet manager and then eventually CEO of Qantas.
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Old 25th Feb 2018, 04:18
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Devil

CLX should stick to his day job if he has one. His racist, homophobic and bigoted post is simply appalling. It should be removed.
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Old 25th Feb 2018, 13:31
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Originally Posted by Ken Borough View Post
CLX should stick to his day job if he has one. His racist, homophobic and bigoted post is simply appalling. It should be removed.
Agreed.

As much as I disagree with the current Qantas HR process if it prevents me from one day sitting next to guys like CLX or abaderrr than I would tick that up to a win.
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Old 25th Feb 2018, 17:49
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Originally Posted by H-Dog View Post
Agreed.

As much as I disagree with the current Qantas HR process if it prevents me from one day sitting next to guys like CLX or abaderrr than I would tick that up to a win.
I Agree,
It will be rather hard to pass a psych test while being unable to differentiate contextual sarcasm from a statement of opinion.

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Old 25th Feb 2018, 19:38
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Originally Posted by Ken Borough View Post
CLX should stick to his day job if he has one. His racist, homophobic and bigoted post is simply appalling. It should be removed.
Hush now Ken, CLX was probably just highlighting the shambles that HR is turning the industry into. Just ask the cadets that have joined Mainline recently from subsidiaries etc what the ratio of male vs female cadets that HR culled was.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 06:07
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Did I miss something in the past or is this a new requirement that internal applicants must have completed 24 months service with their current QF group employer?
Just noticed it at the bottom of the minimum criteria page.
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 06:16
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And no more Year 12?
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Old 26th Feb 2018, 10:33
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere View Post
And no more Year 12?
In the past, QF displayed on their pilot career website, that an applicant needed to show passes in Maths, English and Physics subjects, which were equivalent to year 12 standard,
or have completed some bridging course, which would be acceptable to them.

I recall, Rex also requesting the same item in the past, in order for an applicant to meet their minimum educational standards, but that item has been removed, Virgin have done the same,
it appears nobody is asking for year 12 HSC results, as a requirement, to enable an application form to be submitted by an applicant.

If a person needs to do these courses, they're available via distance learning, just navigate the web, it will take about a year to complete each subject.

I don't think anybody has got into QF or it's group of airlines, without demonstrating they have reasonable marks in the HSC or posses other qualifications, as a person won't be competitive enough.

The latest Virgin flight crew ad. on the afap website, best summarised the process and outcome once a person submits their application and the outcome of their journey through the selection process.
The ad. advised the following, which would be the same or a similar response from QF , in relation to an applicant's application.

How do I know the status of my application?
We will acknowledge the initial receipt of your application.
We plan to communicate advice of the status of your application within two months initially, reducing to one month after we deal with the large numbers received after the invitation for applications initially open. The advice will indicate that:
  • you have been progressed to the next stage,
  • you are not competitive to be progressed at this time but will remain active, or
  • your application will not be progressed further.
At the end of the day, it's not the end of the world if a person doesn't get into QF, Virgin, Jetstar, other airlines also recruit AU pilot holders, such as FlyDubai, CX, Vietnam's various airlines.
It depends what lifestyle a person is prepared to accept and where they want to live.

Not everybody will get into QF and flying isn't the only thing in life.

Cheers.
 
Old 27th Feb 2018, 01:46
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As much as I disagree with the current Qantas HR process if it prevents me from one day sitting next to guys like CLX or abaderrr than I would tick that up to a win
Ohh FFS, really? Are you that stuck up that you can’t detect even the slightest bit of sarcasm?

Maybe I should be thankful that it attracts people like you, and that people like myself can fly with normal people who have a sense of humour and can have a joke during the flight.

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Old 27th Feb 2018, 02:03
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Seagull, I personally know someone who was employed into the QF group within the past 18 months that had not completed YR12.
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Old 27th Feb 2018, 02:11
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Originally Posted by Jetdream View Post
Did I miss something in the past or is this a new requirement that internal applicants must have completed 24 months service with their current QF group employer?
Just noticed it at the bottom of the minimum criteria page.
That is new, I know of some JQ guys who only spent 6 months or so there before starting at QF. Probably JQ or Qlink trying to stem the flow of pilots going to mainline.
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Old 1st Mar 2018, 10:26
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I am a Y11 student at Victoria and I am pretty thrilled after hearing this news! But...like what everyone has discussed: Is it really FEASIBLE? It's like building a new private school-- a high amount of space, instructors and HR members are required. How could, and where Qantas get so many staffs at once despite instructors storage?
Good luck Qantas. And hope, their plan would really work.
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Old 1st Mar 2018, 15:01
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Qantas - contract type?

I am thinking about applying to Qantas... Can't find much info online.
Wondering if they have any short-term contract, or permanent only.
Also, are they many expats? Maybe 30%?
How many pilots in total? How many block hours are expected each year?
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Old 1st Mar 2018, 17:36
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Why do QF /Jetstar etc. and other Asian carriers, employs S/Os as "cruise only pilots"?
Surely it is safer to have three fully trained co-pilots on the flight deck sharing the landings, and getting experience.
BA for example only operate with fully type rated co-pilots, necessary of course as many shorter 777/787/744/A380 LH routes operate with a two crew flight deck.
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Old 1st Mar 2018, 21:18
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A 787/ A380/ 744 F/O is likely to average about three PF sectors a month. Very difficult to share those around with two other people.

Safer? Skill level would likely decrease further.

Certainly much more expensive.... and therein is a big reason why companies have S/Os.
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Old 1st Mar 2018, 21:43
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Originally Posted by timmy123 View Post
I am thinking about applying to Qantas... Can't find much info online.
Wondering if they have any short-term contract, or permanent only.
Also, are they many expats? Maybe 30%?
How many pilots in total? How many block hours are expected each year?
There’s a lot of info buried back in this thread.
No short term contracts. Permanent only.
Not many expats. Mostly Aussies from our rich multicultural history.
About 2500 pilots in mainline.
About 800 stick hours per annum.

I put a post up about S/O pay a bunch of pages back.
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Old 1st Mar 2018, 22:33
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Originally Posted by cessnapete View Post
Why do QF /Jetstar etc. and other Asian carriers, employs S/Os as "cruise only pilots"?
It’s the airline industry.

It doesn’t matter what the question is, the answer is always “money”.

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