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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 04:31
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
So I don’t understand why you can get a loan for $125k for the Dream Academy, but not to do it through your local flying school?

I didn't think I could loan for a local flying school through government assistance, but I definitely cannot afford either one of them out of my pocket, or get a loan from a bank.

Originally Posted by morno View Post
Have a look around the industry and see how many different options you have. Heaps!! Don’t close off 3/4 of them by going through somewhere that may be looked down upon for its original purpose (getting a job with QF), but that hasn’t happened yet however could happen soon leaving someone to have to replace you. I know I wouldn’t commit to hiring you if I saw it on your resume.
I'd be fine working with QantasLink, in fact I think it would be cool to start off with considering I am living in a regional town myself. But I would, of course, eventually want to move up into Qantas itself.
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if your only acceptable outcome is a job with Qantas mainline then you probably don’t have the required passion to survive the first few years in the industry without bailing. I don’t mean this to sound harsh.
I wasn't saying that this is the only outcome I wanted, I just thought that must've been the outcome of what the academy would open you up to.

Originally Posted by FLGOFF View Post
"Congratulations, you've made it through to the hold file, we'll get in contact if we need you".
I bet that is one very big hold file.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 05:23
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Originally Posted by FLGOFF View Post
I haven't read the whole thread here and I'm not sure if its been discussed previously (probably has), but going through this Qantas Academy, chances are you won't get the golden ticket into the Qantas Group upon graduation unless they become desperate again. Assuming you don't, you're then going to be packing your bags and heading up north like many others, except you're going to be going with the Qantas academy on your resume which is not a good look in my opinion. Questions might be asked. Why didn't you make the cut? Will you have the Qantas Workday tab open all day at work checking for the next opening? Seems far better to build a solid foundation in aviation through a neutral entity than a group that specialises in selling hopes and dreams.

As for the Qantas Future Pilot Program, once again it all depends on the current job climate. Last year they were desperate and plenty of opportunities for those who met the requirements. Not so lucky for those going through this year, far fewer places being offered and there's a very real chance that you can spend the 10K on the course at FTA and then be given a "Thanks but no thanks" or if you're "lucky", "Congratulations, you've made it through to the hold file, we'll get in contact if we need you".
On other hand, if what they are saying about this academy are correct they will be producing several hundred pilots a year. Will every single one of them be guaranteed a job in the group? No, but if they’re missing out it’ll be unlikely anyone from GA or a normal flying school will be able to gain employment in the group if not all Academy graduates are employed.

Lots of naysayers here were quite confident in predicting the Academy would never eventuate, well they’ve just started their first course with more to come, and in greater numbers.

For those who went through the Cadetship roughly 10 years ago but weren’t able to gain employment into mainline most were able to get into entities like Qlink or JQ rather rapidly so any fears that being trained via the cadet route would “taint” their reputation within the industry didn’t eventuate.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 05:51
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That’s because unless the candidate disclosed that they were a Qantas cadet, there was no way of knowing. If someone asks you where you learnt to fly, it’s harder to hide it if the place is called “Qantas”.

Plus, 10 years ago the industry was a very different place
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 05:59
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
That’s because unless the candidate disclosed that they were a Qantas cadet, there was no way of knowing. If someone asks you where you learnt to fly, it’s harder to hide it if the place is called “Qantas”.
The industry isn’t that big. People know. They ask you in interviews, and people honestly answer. And despite what some want to believe “cadet” isn’t a poison chalice.

I know a lot of people here want to believe that anyone trained through a Cadetship/traineeship/Academy is “tainted goods”, that’s OK, believe what you want. Doesn’t make it true.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 20:22
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Question EASA - CASA

Hi guys, just wondering if anybody on this thread currently working in Australia, for any of the major players (Qantas Group, VOZ Group, Alliance, etc.), has gone through the CASA licence conversion process from Europe? I am an Aussie currently living and working in Europe flying regional jets, but my hope is to move back to Australia once I have unfrozen my ATPL, and obviously feel ready.
If you have been through the process, how do you find working in Australia in comparison to Europe/UK?
And; Did the conversion process pose any significant questions during any interviews?

For anybody wanting background info, I did my training in Europe with the hope that I would have a greater chance of gaining employment (greater population + more airlines). It's also (appears) far easier to come from Europe to Aus due to CASA's recognition of the EASA ATPL.

I understand this is a Qantas recruitment thread, so I do apologise in advance if this post doesn't belong here.

Many Thanks,
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 05:26
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I went through the conversion process about 9 years ago after having flown in the UK for 12 years. It was a nightmare paperwork wise but fairly straight forward. You have to sit Human Factors, CPL Air Law, ATPL Air Law and if you have never held an CASA issued IR before then you also need to do the IREX exam. What was frustrating was that you needed to pass CPL Air Law prior to being able to book ATPL Air Law which was an issue considering I did all 4 exams in 5 days and it was a bit of a variable as to whether I would get an ATPL air law slot. I had to do an IR exam in a Duchess to get the IR initial issued, to do the flight test I had to get a Certificate of Validation issued by CASA based on my JAR ATPL and that took me about 10 months as CASA kept requesting additional crap from the UK CAA. I know that CASA have now introduced the ATPL flight test so I don't know how that works into the process now.

I did all the theory through the Advanced Flight Theory who at the time offered a 'Foreign ATPL' conversion pack that focussed purely on the just the exams for conversion ( Overseas Convert | Advanced Flight Theory, it was initially very overwhelming when it all arrived in the UK but once you get your head around the AIP, CAO's and CAR's it was actually straight forward. Use the Bob Tait book for the IREX study. I had no issues with the exams as there are plenty of practice papers available. The flying portion I did in Perth ad Ad Astra who once again had a 10 hour IR prep course specifically for Foreign Pilots 5 hours ground trainer, 1 practice flight test in the Duchess followed by the real thing. That took me 3 days for the flying component.

As for employment, I got job offers from Jetstar and Jetconnect on the condition that I would get my OZ ATPL prior to starting, Virgin told me that they didn't accept ATPL's from a foreign conversion and if I wanted an interview with them I would have to sit ALL the ATPL exams so they could see evidence of passing the lot so I didn't bother pursuing Virgin any further. Qantas and Air NZ were years away from recruitment at the time so I didn't bother but I have had a number of mates since get jobs with both after a stint overseas. Air NZ even did the ATPL flight test for them during their conversion training.

As for flying in OZ after many years in Europe, be prepared to go back in time. It is very much GA in Jets, the rules, regulations and CASA are like they are in a time warp. The airspace is a mess, ATC will let you fly out of controlled airspace during descent into major airports and then report you for it, on the other hand it is OK to flying high performance jets into uncontrolled airports mixing with GA traffic on a CTAF frequency. Airport facilities are farcical, when I arrived there wasn't a single CAT II or III approach in the country although a few exist now, ATC into SYD and MEL is often a mess, everyone says 'but they are dealing with a lot of traffic', They need to see how it is done well oversea's. On the plus side, the airline I ended up working for is really enjoyable, the crews are good, training has been fantastic and since the change over to Part 61 licences and EBT sim training it is the most enjoyable checking environment I have encountered. (ALL PERSONAL OPINION OF COURSE)

So all in all, contact CASA and get a breakdown of what is needed, if there is anything CASA related then get that underway ASAP as the exam and flying side is quite easy to organise and get underway. The job market has been quite good although may be slowing a bit and be prepared for a lot of head scratching when you are exposed to some of the CASA rules and regs which may suit a C182 charter but don't seem to be appropriate for a Jet.

Good luck

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Old 27th Oct 2019, 07:26
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The Qantas academy is run by FTA.
It is a Qantas Academy in name only. A way of “ restocking GA”, not a conduit for QF pilots.
Pilot selection is carried out by FTA, sometimes not as QF would choose.
i don’t believe graduating pilots will have leg up on a standard GA pilot, other than they were chosen from a thousand applicants, and were the best of the lot.
I believe the only real worry for anyone wanting to get into QF is that the academy plans to produce 250 new pilots per annum when up and running. More than currently appear each year.
more competition for jobs because of a bigger pool to choose from.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 12:06
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Virgin told me that they didn't accept ATPL's from a foreign conversion and if I wanted an interview with them I would have to sit ALL the ATPL exams so they could see evidence of passing the lot so I didn't bother pursuing Virgin any further.
hahahaa, oh god usual rocket science from Virgin.

On a side note good thing you are converting EASA to CASA and not the other way.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 22:48
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Originally Posted by Berealgetreal View Post


hahahaa, oh god usual rocket science from Virgin.

On a side note good thing you are converting EASA to CASA and not the other way.
I think you will find QF requires this as well.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 23:36
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Virgin told me that they didn't accept ATPL's from a foreign conversion and if I wanted an interview with them I would have to sit ALL the ATPL exams so they could see evidence of passing the lot so I didn't bother pursuing Virgin any further.

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Lol, many present and former pilots flying there with a converted ATPL.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 06:14
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post


I think you will find QF requires this as well.

incorrect.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 10:09
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Originally Posted by DUXNUTZ View Post


Lol, many present and former pilots flying there with a converted ATPL.
hey, i can only go on what they told me at the time. It may have been a nice way to tell me to piss off. :-)
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 11:18
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Both Virgin and Qantas had that ATPL requirement. It may have changed?
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Old 9th Nov 2019, 04:17
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Does anyone have the inside line on future recruitment? Internal EOI? External recruitment? Current hold file status?
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 15:43
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That hold file seems to be holdin’ out on everyone...
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 04:00
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hestonfysh,

I know of internals starting in Dec, Feb, Mar and Apr (don’t think there is a Jan course and don’t think courses have been assigned past Apr but not 100% sure on this) all been given B787 PER but am hearing from a mate starting in Dec that there are Airbus 330 SYD spots being allocated as well.

Talk is the next round should open up in Nov/Dec (or maybe early next year) for internals. Not sure on externals.

hope that helps
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 04:38
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Definitely a Jan course. Internal mate got 787 Per for Jan
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 06:04
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Originally Posted by stillcallozhome View Post



incorrect.
Certainly used to!
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 08:00
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post


Certainly used to!
I had been warned a long time ago about it but nothing mentioned about it when going through the process years ago. Got an ATPL - tick in the box and on to the next question. The days of asking for individual ATPL scores are long gone. As they should be.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 12:31
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Academy

Hi, I am just trying to get some information with the academy. How successful would the outcome be for myself and do you think it is worth all the money and time to go through the academy rather than a university and try for the future pilot program?
Thanks.
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