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Old 26th Sep 2019, 20:31
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A quick look around shows the cost of an average CPL in Australia roughly about $70k, IR about $20k, and ATPL theory and MCC about $5k each.

From the FTA website it's about $125k from zero to CPL, IR, ATPL and MCC as part of their Academy course.

Not too much of an extra expense for a more defined career path IMHO.
If you don't go to a big money grab school you should be able to get a CPL with NVFR for $60k or less. MEIR is about $20k and ATPL about $5k if you mostly self study (it is possible). No need to waste money on an MCC. So $85k versus $120k isn't something I can rationalize by thinking that a big name school will help you with a job. It won't and can sometimes hurt you as some employers have bad experiences with sausage factory grads
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 22:06
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Still a better prospect than a random flying school with nothing really guaranteed at the end, at least there's a more defined path here. And I would probably guess a higher priority in employment for Academy graduates than those who aren't. If not all of those who graduate the academy have a position within the group upon graduation then that means there's a minuscule chance for non Academy graduates.
Assumptions being what they are, would suggest that any prospective applicant carefully check the fine print.
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Old 3rd Oct 2019, 20:50
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Does anyone know if the Academy is actually taking people with prior flying experience?

The FAQs on the website explicitly state that they will consider applicants with licences, but Iím yet to hear of a licence holder actually getting a spot.


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Old 4th Oct 2019, 23:50
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All Qantas Group airlines hiring bar mainline. So much for the music stopping soon as previously suggested in this thread.
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Old 4th Oct 2019, 23:52
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Originally Posted by ThunderstormFactory
All Qantas Group airlines hiring bar mainline. So much for the music stopping soon as previously suggested in this thread.
Little Napoleon and his bunch of carpet baggers would not have spent a Red cent on anything related to pilots unless there is a supply issue long term.

There is, its name is demographics.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 00:53
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Rated De, you opined previously regarding the academy...
This announcement appears to be a similar pattern.
A thought bubble, no research, poor strategy and shockingly executed.
It will be pushed with weasel words into the future.
So given they said it would start in 2019 and it has, would you concede that you were wrong??
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 01:04
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Originally Posted by Rated De
Little Napoleon and his bunch of carpet baggers would not have spent a Red cent on anything related to pilots unless there is a supply issue business model long term.

There is, its name is demographics.
Sorry to correct you Rated De, Joyce does nothing is done without a business plan, he is a startup junkie. I would suggest the strategy here is to milk pilot training as a business by leveraging off the Qantas brand reputation. Expect them to attempt to scale this beyond what is required for the the group, I could even envisage offshore "Qantas Training Academy Centre of Excellence" training being set up in Asia.

Don't get me wrong, demographics come into play, but there will be more to this.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 12:28
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Originally Posted by CurtainTwitcher
Sorry to correct you Rated De, Joyce does nothing is done without a business plan, he is a startup junkie. I would suggest the strategy here is to milk pilot training as a business by leveraging off the Qantas brand reputation. Expect them to attempt to scale this beyond what is required for the the group, I could even envisage offshore "Qantas Training Academy Centre of Excellence" training being set up in Asia.

Don't get me wrong, demographics come into play, but there will be more to this.
You are completely on it, CT.

This ainít a thought-bubble.

If you can significantly control or influence pilot training (or have a monopoly on it), and maybe even run it at a profit, you not only control supply, but you get to control those who even commence pilot training, let alone finish it.

You get to interview them twice, once before training, and once again before employment, gaining a much greater understanding of their worth, and you get surveillance of them during training. With that surveillance you really get to know them - not just aptitude, but you get to cull those who complain when the tea-room runs out of milk - theyíll be your future union-leaders.

You also get to control things like gender balance.
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Originally Posted by Derfred


You are completely on it, CT.

This ainít a thought-bubble.

If you can significantly control or influence pilot training (or have a monopoly on it), and maybe even run it at a profit, you not only control supply, but you get to control those who even commence pilot training, let alone finish it.

You get to interview them twice, once before training, and once again before employment, gaining a much greater understanding of their worth, and you get surveillance of them during training. With that surveillance you really get to know them - not just aptitude, but you get to cull those who complain when the tea-room runs out of milk - theyíll be your future union-leaders.

You also get to control things like gender balance.
Didn't work for Rex.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 01:54
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Qantas Pilot Academy

Hi everyone,

*long post incoming*
I've read through the previous 50 pages of this thread, took me a while! I didn't really find the answer that I was looking for, but knowing me I probably overlooked it in the 50 pages I read

I'm currently 18 and have always wanted to become a pilot for Qantas since I was in kindergarten. When I was 16 I disregarded the dream job of a pilot and I really can't remember why I did, I think it was because mum wanted me to stay on the ground if I'm to be honest! So I moved onto something else that was in aviation which was Air Traffic Control, but of course a year later I got rid of that for some reason (but this time I don't know why). Then I moved onto IT in uni (which I'm doing now), even with my GPA of 7, I started to think about the Qantas Group Pilot Academy, long story short I *think* I have my eyes back on aviation again.

I've read a few conflicting thoughts on the actual academy throughout the 50 pages that I have read, some say it's just a gimmick and you'll end up no where whereas some say that it would be good. People say that you should get into piloting whilst your young for seniority (or just get into the airline you want your career at whilst your young), but is it just gonna give me a huge debt and no job at all? Considering that it'll cost me somewhere around $125,000, which I can loan, does it even qualify me for direct entry into Qantas? I was looking at the requirements for direct entry (either as SO or FO) and it seemed higher than what you actually get in the academy? Could someone help answer that? The academy would probably be the best option for me, I don't have the money to train through a flight school in my local area.

I've also read someone said that it is Qantas Group Pilot Academy, so does that mean QantasLink and Jetstar too?

I've read heaps of things online about the life as a pilot, and I understand that this is a Qantas recruitment thread, and whilst I'd be doing it for the love of planes since I have been young and not for the money at all, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information on this thread about the pay of Capt/FO/SO? I've gone through the EBA of Qantas but it's all dutch to me

All in all I just really want to know is it worth it? Will it lead into a career with Qantas or just give me a big debt? FO or SO? Do I just apply for jobs after the academy as I'd be qualified from the academy? I see that I can lead into the Qantas Future Pilot Program from the academy, but they're 'selected' people. I assume you need to be a high performer. Surely the application questions into the academy are just a short amount? They were pretty basic, didn't seem like an application at all! I've gone over the website a million times so I essentially know the whole academy website inside out, but I have applied for an ATC job which I should hear back from this week. What's the way to go? I'll still be waiting for months to hear back from Qantas, but even then, what's their selection process?

I think that's all for now, I'd still have a million things in my mind that I needed to ask but I just can't think of it all right now.

Thanks everyone
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 05:51
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Originally Posted by bding
Hi everyone,

*long post incoming*
I've read through the previous 50 pages of this thread, took me a while! I didn't really find the answer that I was looking for, but knowing me I probably overlooked it in the 50 pages I read

I'm currently 18 and have always wanted to become a pilot for Qantas since I was in kindergarten. When I was 16 I disregarded the dream job of a pilot and I really can't remember why I did, I think it was because mum wanted me to stay on the ground if I'm to be honest! So I moved onto something else that was in aviation which was Air Traffic Control, but of course a year later I got rid of that for some reason (but this time I don't know why). Then I moved onto IT in uni (which I'm doing now), even with my GPA of 7, I started to think about the Qantas Group Pilot Academy, long story short I *think* I have my eyes back on aviation again.

I've read a few conflicting thoughts on the actual academy throughout the 50 pages that I have read, some say it's just a gimmick and you'll end up no where whereas some say that it would be good. People say that you should get into piloting whilst your young for seniority (or just get into the airline you want your career at whilst your young), but is it just gonna give me a huge debt and no job at all? Considering that it'll cost me somewhere around $125,000, which I can loan, does it even qualify me for direct entry into Qantas? I was looking at the requirements for direct entry (either as SO or FO) and it seemed higher than what you actually get in the academy? Could someone help answer that? The academy would probably be the best option for me, I don't have the money to train through a flight school in my local area.

I've also read someone said that it is Qantas Group Pilot Academy, so does that mean QantasLink and Jetstar too?

I've read heaps of things online about the life as a pilot, and I understand that this is a Qantas recruitment thread, and whilst I'd be doing it for the love of planes since I have been young and not for the money at all, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information on this thread about the pay of Capt/FO/SO? I've gone through the EBA of Qantas but it's all dutch to me

All in all I just really want to know is it worth it? Will it lead into a career with Qantas or just give me a big debt? FO or SO? Do I just apply for jobs after the academy as I'd be qualified from the academy? I see that I can lead into the Qantas Future Pilot Program from the academy, but they're 'selected' people. I assume you need to be a high performer. Surely the application questions into the academy are just a short amount? They were pretty basic, didn't seem like an application at all! I've gone over the website a million times so I essentially know the whole academy website inside out, but I have applied for an ATC job which I should hear back from this week. What's the way to go? I'll still be waiting for months to hear back from Qantas, but even then, what's their selection process?

I think that's all for now, I'd still have a million things in my mind that I needed to ask but I just can't think of it all right now.

Thanks everyone
I canít answer most of your questions but from what Iíve seen in the industry - especially of Ďcareer changeí types...if your only acceptable outcome is a job with Qantas mainline then you probably donít have the required passion to survive the first few years in the industry without bailing. I donít mean this to sound harsh.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 09:17
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I haven't read the whole thread here and I'm not sure if its been discussed previously (probably has), but going through this Qantas Academy, chances are you won't get the golden ticket into the Qantas Group upon graduation unless they become desperate again. Assuming you don't, you're then going to be packing your bags and heading up north like many others, except you're going to be going with the Qantas academy on your resume which is not a good look in my opinion. Questions might be asked. Why didn't you make the cut? Will you have the Qantas Workday tab open all day at work checking for the next opening? Seems far better to build a solid foundation in aviation through a neutral entity than a group that specialises in selling hopes and dreams.

As for the Qantas Future Pilot Program, once again it all depends on the current job climate. Last year they were desperate and plenty of opportunities for those who met the requirements. Not so lucky for those going through this year, far fewer places being offered and there's a very real chance that you can spend the 10K on the course at FTA and then be given a "Thanks but no thanks" or if you're "lucky", "Congratulations, you've made it through to the hold file, we'll get in contact if we need you".
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 11:04
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The Qantas Academy is no guarantee of a job with mainline. If you do get through you may be placed on the hold file for the Qantas group. Most likely that would lead to an offer in Qlink or Jetstar (possibly Network aviation, Jetconnect, EFA). If you end up with one of these the door is not shut to mainline but doesn’t make it any easier to get in. It would be extremely doubtful that at completion of the course you would get any kind of direct entry as an SO into Qantas.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 17:11
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Considering that it'll cost me somewhere around $125,000, which I can loan.......... The academy would probably be the best option for me, I don't have the money to train through a flight school in my local area
Forgive me if Iím missing something, because I donít know much about the Dream Academy, but a local flying school these days Iím pretty sure will cost you a lot less than $125k for much the same outcome at the end (licenses, ratings etc.). So I donít understand why you can get a loan for $125k for the Dream Academy, but not to do it through your local flying school?

If thereís no guarantee of a job at the end I donít think Iíd want to be going through them.

Have a look around the industry and see how many different options you have. Heaps!! Donít close off 3/4 of them by going through somewhere that may be looked down upon for its original purpose (getting a job with QF), but that hasnít happened yet however could happen soon leaving someone to have to replace you. I know I wouldnít commit to hiring you if I saw it on your resume.
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So I donít understand why you can get a loan for $125k for the Dream Academy, but not to do it through your local flying school?

I didn't think I could loan for a local flying school through government assistance, but I definitely cannot afford either one of them out of my pocket, or get a loan from a bank.

Originally Posted by morno
Have a look around the industry and see how many different options you have. Heaps!! Donít close off 3/4 of them by going through somewhere that may be looked down upon for its original purpose (getting a job with QF), but that hasnít happened yet however could happen soon leaving someone to have to replace you. I know I wouldnít commit to hiring you if I saw it on your resume.
I'd be fine working with QantasLink, in fact I think it would be cool to start off with considering I am living in a regional town myself. But I would, of course, eventually want to move up into Qantas itself.
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if your only acceptable outcome is a job with Qantas mainline then you probably donít have the required passion to survive the first few years in the industry without bailing. I donít mean this to sound harsh.
I wasn't saying that this is the only outcome I wanted, I just thought that must've been the outcome of what the academy would open you up to.

Originally Posted by FLGOFF
"Congratulations, you've made it through to the hold file, we'll get in contact if we need you".
I bet that is one very big hold file.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 04:23
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Originally Posted by FLGOFF
I haven't read the whole thread here and I'm not sure if its been discussed previously (probably has), but going through this Qantas Academy, chances are you won't get the golden ticket into the Qantas Group upon graduation unless they become desperate again. Assuming you don't, you're then going to be packing your bags and heading up north like many others, except you're going to be going with the Qantas academy on your resume which is not a good look in my opinion. Questions might be asked. Why didn't you make the cut? Will you have the Qantas Workday tab open all day at work checking for the next opening? Seems far better to build a solid foundation in aviation through a neutral entity than a group that specialises in selling hopes and dreams.

As for the Qantas Future Pilot Program, once again it all depends on the current job climate. Last year they were desperate and plenty of opportunities for those who met the requirements. Not so lucky for those going through this year, far fewer places being offered and there's a very real chance that you can spend the 10K on the course at FTA and then be given a "Thanks but no thanks" or if you're "lucky", "Congratulations, you've made it through to the hold file, we'll get in contact if we need you".
On other hand, if what they are saying about this academy are correct they will be producing several hundred pilots a year. Will every single one of them be guaranteed a job in the group? No, but if theyíre missing out itíll be unlikely anyone from GA or a normal flying school will be able to gain employment in the group if not all Academy graduates are employed.

Lots of naysayers here were quite confident in predicting the Academy would never eventuate, well theyíve just started their first course with more to come, and in greater numbers.

For those who went through the Cadetship roughly 10 years ago but werenít able to gain employment into mainline most were able to get into entities like Qlink or JQ rather rapidly so any fears that being trained via the cadet route would ďtaintĒ their reputation within the industry didnít eventuate.
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Thatís because unless the candidate disclosed that they were a Qantas cadet, there was no way of knowing. If someone asks you where you learnt to fly, itís harder to hide it if the place is called ďQantasĒ.

Plus, 10 years ago the industry was a very different place
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Thatís because unless the candidate disclosed that they were a Qantas cadet, there was no way of knowing. If someone asks you where you learnt to fly, itís harder to hide it if the place is called ďQantasĒ.
The industry isnít that big. People know. They ask you in interviews, and people honestly answer. And despite what some want to believe ďcadetĒ isnít a poison chalice.

I know a lot of people here want to believe that anyone trained through a Cadetship/traineeship/Academy is ďtainted goodsĒ, thatís OK, believe what you want. Doesnít make it true.
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Question EASA - CASA

Hi guys, just wondering if anybody on this thread currently working in Australia, for any of the major players (Qantas Group, VOZ Group, Alliance, etc.), has gone through the CASA licence conversion process from Europe? I am an Aussie currently living and working in Europe flying regional jets, but my hope is to move back to Australia once I have unfrozen my ATPL, and obviously feel ready.
If you have been through the process, how do you find working in Australia in comparison to Europe/UK?
And; Did the conversion process pose any significant questions during any interviews?

For anybody wanting background info, I did my training in Europe with the hope that I would have a greater chance of gaining employment (greater population + more airlines). It's also (appears) far easier to come from Europe to Aus due to CASA's recognition of the EASA ATPL.

I understand this is a Qantas recruitment thread, so I do apologise in advance if this post doesn't belong here.

Many Thanks,
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