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Old 25th Jun 2019, 12:51
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Originally Posted by Sparrows. View Post


Yes, Sep, Oct and Nov
Internal or external?
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 21:54
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Internal or external?
Oct internal. Sep and Nov both.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 00:28
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QF Domestic SYD Base Recruitment

Hi all, does anyone know when QF will put a call out for SYD Base Domestic Crew? Iím ex long haul with another airline and have been out of the game for about 7 years. Does anyone know anything?

Many thanks
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 00:33
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Hi all, does anyone know when QF will put a call out for SYD Base Domestic Crew? Iím ex long haul with another airline and have been out of the game for about 7 years. Does anyone know anything?

Many thanks
Are you talking pilot or FA? They don't direct hire into the 737- it's via a stint as SO on long-haul.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 00:39
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Originally Posted by mattandy View Post
Hi all, does anyone know when QF will put a call out for SYD Base Domestic Crew? Iím ex long haul with another airline and have been out of the game for about 7 years. Does anyone know anything?

Many thanks
So QF only recruit directly into long haul. They will never advertise on the 737 because it is against the EBAs. Having said that, on commencing a course on the 787 or 330, presently, you could expect to transfer to the short haul within 6months. It obviously has a lot to do with seniority and what bases you are happy to move to, for instance guys happy to move to Perth could pick up a 737 spot in their first few weeks joining the company. SYD is more of a senior base so you could be waiting a lot longer
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 08:57
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So the latest update as of today says all SO courses for Sep/Oct/Nov have now been cancelled in order to focus all training resources on FO and Captain upgrades.

I doubt they will have a course in December, so maybe early 2020 for the next SO ground schools.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 17:14
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So the latest update as of today says all SO courses for Sep/Oct/Nov have now been cancelled in order to focus all training resources on FO and Captain upgrades.

I doubt they will have a course in December, so maybe early 2020 for the next SO ground schools.

Yep, I think it's going to be a very long wait.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 03:04
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This post may be waaaay off base, I might be reading some sort of pattern into randomness, but what the hell, I'll speculate on the Douglas R. Hofstadter / Escher negative space "There exist formal systems whose negative space (set of non-theorems) is not the positive space (set of theorems) of any formal system" that posts #2446 & #2247 leave anyway.

The speculation is this. There is trouble with crewing the 737 for First Officers, particularly out of the East Coast. There is also a problem with Qantas being able to recruit directly to the 737, every pilot must be employed initially as a Second Officer Under Training (SOT). However, if one looks very closely at the Qantas EBA9, one notes a SOT pay is $6,545 per 56 days or approx $42,700 pa. A first year 737 FO could expect around between double & triple that number.

Therefore, if an offer of employment is made to a recruit, on the basis of becoming a B787 SOT, without a course Second Officer course date until 2020 (all initial recruits should be assigned to the 787 anyway), they could expect to languish on $42K based in SYD as an office gopher for an extended period of time. However, if the immediate possibility of a 737 FO slot becomes available and the recruit actively bids for that position, they may well be able to start a 737 course on day two of employment, For those that have their heart set on being and SO only initially, and they renege on bidding for the 737 in return for an offer of employment, then it is a poorly paid flying position doing ground duties for quiet some time as there won't be any 787 SO course for a while.

In short, an offer of employment is likely to be made to those applicants with the requirements to become a 737 FO in any base, who indicate they would immediately & actively bid for a 737 FO position once employed, there is an embedded penalty (a significant period as an SOT) for those who choose to exercise their right to not bid once employed.

However, just speculation on my behalf, consistent with the known facts and limitations. Quite a creative & diabolical solution to their problems if it is becomes reality.

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Old 29th Jun 2019, 04:39
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What are the requirements to bid for an 737 FO position?
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 05:25
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What are the requirements to bid for an 737 FO position?
CPL with credits in all ATPL subjects is the only hard and fast requirement. There would also need to be an assessment of previous experience to be deemed suitable. Bare minimum single pilot time is not going to be enough, multicrew of Dash8 size, LHS time or significant RHS time would cut it.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 04:47
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So hearing whispers of external applicants on hold files potentially for 2.5-3 years and no more external recruitment for quite some time. Is this true?
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 05:31
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No ground schools for the rest of the year at least.

The focus is on Internal training in preparation for the next 787 arrivals...and subsequent 747 shakedown.

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Old 19th Sep 2019, 06:34
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And there it is.

Its time now to get the seat you want, because the music will stop and when it stops at QF, it stops.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 06:40
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And there it is.

Its time now to get the seat you want, because the music will stop and when it stops at QF, it stops.
and itís usually stops suddenly ...and for a long time!
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 08:00
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Originally Posted by crosscutter View Post
No ground schools for the rest of the year at least.

The focus is on Internal training in preparation for the next 787 arrivals...and subsequent 747 shakedown.

Thereís a ground school in December.

Only September, October and November were pushed back. Gives them some time to get ahead on this years training allocations because they are currently over supplied with 330 and 787 SOís. No point training more SOís when the training resources can be better used on training other ranks that are actually short. Hardly all doom and gloom.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 10:20
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Originally Posted by Blueskymine View Post
And there it is.

Its time now to get the seat you want, because the music will stop and when it stops at QF, it stops.
It will all be the fault of the pesky pilots when itís stops because they wonít sell their soles to the devil to allow him to order the 777/350 for Sunrise.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 10:57
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600 retirements yet to happen over the next 5 years. Canít hear the music stopping just yet.

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Old 19th Sep 2019, 10:58
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787 S/O courses planned December and every month to the end of the FY.

Of course crew retirements may keep things ticking along beyond that albeit at a lower rate and more aeroplane orders will see things going at a fair clip.

Personally I reckon that QF are short of airframes and won’t be able to cover the planned flying when the 744s go in just over 12 months time. I reckon at least 4 more 787s are needed to cover that or keep the 744s longer. Who knows though. Probably aren’t are any firm plans either way yet.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 06:40
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Hi Keg,

Are those courses likely to go ahead or could possibly be pushed back again as they are over stocked in the SO ranks?

Also, are all the courses going forward likely to be B787 or will there be some A330 slots in there as well?

Thanks Keg
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 22:42
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All likely to be 787 courses. No plans for other fleets. The only way those courses will slide or cancel is if the last three 787s are cancelled and that ainít likely to happen.
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