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Old 11th Feb 2019, 10:37
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Originally Posted by Fonz121 View Post



How do you know what the experience, aptitude and personality of the internal applicants are? A candidate from the group is a known entity. An external applicant is not.

Because theyíre my friends.

Theyíre great people, but even theyíll admit, they wouldnít have gotten an interview unless they were in the group.

Would a skippers dash 8 pilot have the exact same chance as a qlink pilot at getting an interview?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:26
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Originally Posted by Flyboy1987 View Post

Because theyíre my friends.

Theyíre great people, but even theyíll admit, they wouldnít have gotten an interview unless they were in the group.

Would a skippers dash 8 pilot have the exact same chance as a qlink pilot at getting an interview?
Gee's, I had my interview with Mineline and I only flew a single engine turbo prop. Compared to the other candidates on the day I was definitely at the bottom in terms of experience! BUT, I did something right to make it to the interview.

Although I didn't progress through to the next day.

There are so many damn variables in the whole process - even the initial 5 question interview, initial talent Q, group exercise, 1 on 2 interview with pilot and person from HR, the scenario they give you, validation, education, what colour g-string you wore ect ect ect.

They can be and will be picky with who they want.

I still take my hat off to everyone that get's through - some questionable people for sure, but whatever, good on 'em!
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 21:40
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Originally Posted by Flyboy1987 View Post
Would a skippers dash 8 pilot have the exact same chance as a qlink pilot at getting an interview?
Definitely not, the application form is a basic IQ test, the skipper's pilot would have a hard time writing their own name.

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 22:15
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Unfortunately the selection process is not bullet proof. Iíve seen some great, hard working, honest people get knocked back, while others who I would not let my dog fly with get through. Some get friends to do the initial TalentQ testing for them, some tweak some documents to meet minimum requirements.
HR think they are getting the best people for the job, but in some cases they are being played. Not saying all, but definitely some out there.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 00:14
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Originally Posted by startno1 View Post
Some get friends to do the initial TalentQ testing for them
Verification at the assessment centre would usually filter those honest people out.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 02:23
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Originally Posted by spondonicle View Post
Verification at the assessment centre would usually filter those honest people out.
Yes that is the idea I guess, but for some reason QF give people a second chance if their results on the assessment day (verification) donít match up with the initial online tests.
This happened to the ones I know of and they got through on the second go. No idea why they give a second chance on this. Seems to defeat the purpose of the verification to me.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 03:57
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Originally Posted by startno1 View Post
...while others who I would not let my dog fly with get through.
Yep, like that selfie muppet in Perth...
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 03:58
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Originally Posted by startno1 View Post


Yes that is the idea I guess, but for some reason QF give people a second chance if their results on the assessment day (verification) donít match up with the initial online tests.
This happened to the ones I know of and they got through on the second go. No idea why they give a second chance on this. Seems to defeat the purpose of the verification to me.
I used the idea that if I sucked at the initial psychometric tests, all I have to do is suck for the verification tests... Seemed to work!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 06:22
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If you haven't already started with QF then I agree you have missed the boat.

Thats not saying you won't get a start date, but you have for sure missed the seniority train. Expect a long career as FO.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 06:45
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I think you mean...

Originally Posted by rep View Post
If you haven't already started with QF then I agree you have missed the boat.

Thats not saying you won't get a start date, but you have for sure missed the seniority train. Expect a long career as FO SO.


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Old 12th Feb 2019, 08:14
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Originally Posted by Slezy9 View Post
I think you mean...
Actually I didn't.

Join now and your ~400 behind since recruitment started in 2016.

SO time will most likely drop as huge amount of guys retire, but you can expect a long time as FO because there is literally 400 new joiners in front of you.

If you don't like SO, you can still get Perth 737 F/O in the first month subject to training availability.

If you are still looking to join QF, I would be praying for more 787 orders.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 08:36
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Originally Posted by rep View Post

SO time will most likely drop as huge amount of guys retire, but you can expect a long time as FO
That doesn't make sense? Why would time as a SO differ from time as an FO due retirements?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 09:19
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom View Post
That doesn't make sense? Why would time as a SO differ from time as an FO due retirements?
Because there is 400 new joiners in front of you who will sit on command?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 21:43
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Rep is correct on this one, join now and you will have an extended career as an FO, join in 6 months or later expect to be an SO for an extended period. Those not at the start of a hiring boom are always disadvantaged here, and the start has definitely gone.

There is no pilot shortage at Qantas mainline, and there never will be. There is a training glut, the system here takes a ridiculous time to train or upgrade, its not that the training is more intense or safer than other airlines itís just the mainline way , especially in long haul. This takes pilots out of the system for long periods so there is a perceived shortage. When the training slows and it will, hiring will slow dramatically as well, to the point of stagnation again.

Its a great place to work and itís fantastic seeing new faces but if you are expecting quick progression through the ranks you need to expect to be dissapointed.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 00:23
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Lest we forget that a large number in Mainline are 50+. In 15 years they will all be gone. If you consider that amount of time to be a long time then you have a point but if we assume that project sunrise goes ahead at some point and ultra long flying becomes standard then QF like everywhere else is going to have a major problem.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 01:08
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There are a lot of high paying jobs at qantas that don’t require the left seat.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 02:53
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Originally Posted by MACH082 View Post
There are a lot of high paying jobs at qantas that donít require the left seat.
of course there are, but they require the seniority of some left hand seats..or higher! And that what itís all about here , seniority., which if you are joining from now on you donít have much of.

Im not saying itís a bad place to get stuck in the right hand seat , it isnít. You just need to be prepared for the fact that there is a good chance it will be longer than you think. This place is notorious for stopping recruiting and expansion at any sign of a hiccup or share price fluctuation, itís as though group management are adverse to expansion in mainline, but thatís a topic thatís been done to death here. Project Sunrise I donít see as expansion, it will be point to point but codesharing more ports that are used as stopovers.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 02:25
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Can anyone shed light on if start dates are based on how well you did in the interview/sim etc or are they based on when you were placed on the hold file? Hearing conflicting stories...
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 22:31
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When I went through the process (many years ago), applicants were placed on the hold file in the order of their scores achieved during the testing/interview process and each course was selected from the top of the list.

These days, the process is controlled by HR and we know that they are selecting applicants from certain profile groups out of the usual ranking sequence.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 22:39
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It also depends if youíre an internal or external applicant. For internal applicants once you are on the hold file itís up the your respective group company to advise a release date to Qantas.
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