Qantas Recruitment
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 13
How close to an ‘all internal’ process is mainline, and will it ever happen?
Wondering whether it’s possible to leave the group, then try for getting back in.
Does anyone know how many externals have gotten through to mainline, and if this will continue?
Cheers
Wondering whether it’s possible to leave the group, then try for getting back in.
Does anyone know how many externals have gotten through to mainline, and if this will continue?
Cheers
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Oz
Posts: 440
Originally Posted by Max-Diff
Is there any Perth based 787 SOs that commute from the East coast? Just wondering whether it's realistic.
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Australia
Posts: 20
I can’t believe I’m hearing of people being put through the entire selection process, including spending a fortune on the medical, and getting a no thanks at the very end.
Doesn’t it make more sense to say to people you are in pending the medical?? It seems pretty simple.
Doesn’t it make more sense to say to people you are in pending the medical?? It seems pretty simple.
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Lower North Shore
Posts: 147
Originally Posted by startno1
I can’t believe I’m hearing of people being put through the entire selection process, including spending a fortune on the medical, and getting a no thanks at the very end.
Doesn’t it make more sense to say to people you are in pending the medical?? It seems pretty simple.
Doesn’t it make more sense to say to people you are in pending the medical?? It seems pretty simple.
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,419
Originally Posted by bazza stub
Because it’s Qantas and people are not worthy of any respect.
Whist there are more extreme postures, QF is adversarial.
Treating front line (Customer facing) the way they do would seem a farcical posture, but it is what it is.
Airlines are a team sport a dynamic and fluid business, having your people onside would seem axiomatic.
Herb Kelleher of Southwest said:
“Treat your employees like customers.”
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: North
Posts: 32
Originally Posted by startno1
I can’t believe I’m hearing of people being put through the entire selection process, including spending a fortune on the medical, and getting a no thanks at the very end.
Doesn’t it make more sense to say to people you are in pending the medical?? It seems pretty simple.
Doesn’t it make more sense to say to people you are in pending the medical?? It seems pretty simple.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: In da Big Smoke
Posts: 2,338
The root of the problem is that there is no competition for pilot labour. If you had 3-4 other airlines based in Australia at QFs scale you wouldn't be paying for your interview medical that's for sure. As it stands QF basically get to see 99% of the Australian Pilot population at least once so they effectively can do whatever they want. I guess it gives you an insight into what you are up for over the next 30+ years of your working career.
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Sydney
Posts: 74
Are there any updates on course dates, numbers per course and how many are still on hold waiting for a start date? I believe the hold file has been re-populated lately and I'm just trying to get an idea of how long the wait will be.
Cheers in advance if anyone can share some solid information.
Skysook
Cheers in advance if anyone can share some solid information.
Skysook
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 435
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
The root of the problem is that there is no competition for pilot labour. If you had 3-4 other airlines based in Australia at QFs scale you wouldn't be paying for your interview medical that's for sure. As it stands QF basically get to see 99% of the Australian Pilot population at least once so they effectively can do whatever they want. I guess it gives you an insight into what you are up for over the next 30+ years of your working career.
Exactly.
With 10-20 more-than-suitable candidates for every available coveted position, the pilot shortage is a long way (never) from arriving at QF mainline.
PG
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Townsville
Posts: 97
I asked the same question when they sent me all the paperwork for the medical. They wanted all this completed at my cost BEFORE it would be sent to the Executive Review Board for consideration. I couldn't believe it. But they said I had to spend it to be considered, so I was left with no choice. What woukd have got me alot more annoyed is if I was unsuccessful.
They even had to cheek to say if you do not complete the medical we can can withdraw your application.
Further investigation uncovered that the information the company was looking for was for issues years down the track. Although I already held a Class 1 medical they wanted to find out if there was something that could impede myself in say 10 years time and ultimately affect my employment. I was amazed. They must be playing god in trying the predict the future.
They even had to cheek to say if you do not complete the medical we can can withdraw your application.
Further investigation uncovered that the information the company was looking for was for issues years down the track. Although I already held a Class 1 medical they wanted to find out if there was something that could impede myself in say 10 years time and ultimately affect my employment. I was amazed. They must be playing god in trying the predict the future.
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Townsville
Posts: 97
Originally Posted by skysook
Are there any updates on course dates, numbers per course and how many are still on hold waiting for a start date? I believe the hold file has been re-populated lately and I'm just trying to get an idea of how long the wait will be.
Cheers in advance if anyone can share some solid information.
Skysook
Cheers in advance if anyone can share some solid information.
Skysook
They said they will not issue fleet or base information to those new recruits until 4-6 weeks prior to start date.
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Darwin
Posts: 41
The info hasn’t changed for those asking. You get your base and fleet when you get your start date which on the last course ranged from 10 days to 4 weeks out. There is 1 course every month with between 6-20 people on course ( last course had 10). Hold file varies ( appears internals get a date depending on your release from your current employer and it looks like for externals it’s competitive, ie dependant on how you performed which also means that if people interview after you but performed better they will start sooner) last course everyone was on hold file between 12-18 months.
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: The Outer Marker hut
Posts: 185
With 10-20 more-than-suitable candidates
Ask someone in the training department what the training success rate is these days compared to several years ago.
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,419
Originally Posted by bazza stub
10-20 candidates may be correct. More than suitable?? I’d check that if I were you.
Ask someone in the training department what the training success rate is these days compared to several years ago.
In Europe the parasite consumed the host a while ago: Recruitment became the domain of HR. Always looking for 'self justification' many flight operations departments lost control. The result was something that had training departments scratching their heads.
The input of pilots in pilot recruitment was at least in the case of several Europeans carriers, the least worst system. The result of less pilot input and more HR driven process has been increased training costs. 'Candidates' selected by 'talent acquisition' or other buzzword people lacked the 'je ne sais pas quoi' that pilots need. To be fair the experience levels are dropping as the supply of experienced pilots dries up, however the point remains that why allow a business to incur additional cost as a result of loss of process control? Several airlines are looking at removing HR input and returning to something more akin to days past.
In Australia, the lack of recruitment for many years may well have disguised the loss of process control. That loss may well be making itself evident now.
With Little Napoleon at the helm, things won't improve as QF is well and truly captured by management that know little of what it is airlines do: Selecting high quality pilots is one of them.
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Australia
Posts: 20
Sometimes out of the 10-20 candidates, the honest and more than suitable ones are being let go for ridiculous reasons after going through the whole thing.
If it's so cut throat, why do they give people a second chance on the talentq verification test? The only people I know who had to come back and resit these were the ones who didn't actually sit the first one themselves, surprise surprise.
If it's so cut throat, why do they give people a second chance on the talentq verification test? The only people I know who had to come back and resit these were the ones who didn't actually sit the first one themselves, surprise surprise.
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Dirty South
Posts: 372
Originally Posted by Hold_Short
I asked the same question when they sent me all the paperwork for the medical. They wanted all this completed at my cost BEFORE it would be sent to the Executive Review Board for consideration. I couldn't believe it. But they said I had to spend it to be considered, so I was left with no choice. What woukd have got me alot more annoyed is if I was unsuccessful.
They even had to cheek to say if you do not complete the medical we can can withdraw your application.
Further investigation uncovered that the information the company was looking for was for issues years down the track. Although I already held a Class 1 medical they wanted to find out if there was something that could impede myself in say 10 years time and ultimately affect my employment. I was amazed. They must be playing god in trying the predict the future.
They even had to cheek to say if you do not complete the medical we can can withdraw your application.
Further investigation uncovered that the information the company was looking for was for issues years down the track. Although I already held a Class 1 medical they wanted to find out if there was something that could impede myself in say 10 years time and ultimately affect my employment. I was amazed. They must be playing god in trying the predict the future.
If a job offer is extended pending the results of your medical, and you hold the required CASA Class 1; it is illegal to reject you on medical grounds. American Airlines used to have a medical prior to employment. They were informed that it was illegal, and quietly dropped that portion of the assessment.
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,419
Originally Posted by JPJP
This is why they make you complete all parts of the testing prior to the Board. It’s the oldest trick in the H.R. book - If the medical turns up something that they believe will cost them money and/or your productivity in a decade, they are able to legally reject you. The candidate will never know that they were rejected for medical reasons, since it can be argued that there was some other fiendish flaw found in the totality of the information in your application (interview, simulator, or the cut of your jib).
If a job offer is extended pending the results of your medical, and you hold the required CASA Class 1; it is illegal to reject you on medical grounds. American Airlines used to have a medical prior to employment. They were informed that it was illegal, and quietly dropped that portion of the assessment.
Precisely.
It is even more nefarious than that.
As there is growing correlation between high altitude exposure to radiation and the continued circadian rhythm disturbance for long haul night operations, airlines are increasingly requiring all sorts of waivers prior to employment.
