Qantas Recruitment

[maggot]

Originally Posted by Max-Diff

Is there any Perth based 787 SOs that commute from the East coast? Just wondering whether it's realistic.

There's been a heap of East coast commuters to per for the 330 in the recent past, Melbourne seems to be the easier option

[Nine_Inch__Wings]

How close to an ‘all internal’ process is mainline, and will it ever happen?

Wondering whether it’s possible to leave the group, then try for getting back in.

Does anyone know how many externals have gotten through to mainline, and if this will continue?

Cheers

[angryrat]

Originally Posted by Max-Diff

Is there any Perth based 787 SOs that commute from the East coast? Just wondering whether it's realistic.

As above but don’t forget to take into account that you don’t get staff travel for the first 6 months. Could be expensive.

[ruprecht]

Originally Posted by angryrat

As above but don’t forget to take into account that you don’t get staff travel for the first 6 months. Could be expensive.

Should be a 737 FO in 6 months.

[startno1]

I can’t believe I’m hearing of people being put through the entire selection process, including spending a fortune on the medical, and getting a no thanks at the very end.
Doesn’t it make more sense to say to people you are in pending the medical?? It seems pretty simple.

[Brakerider]

Originally Posted by startno1

I can’t believe I’m hearing of people being put through the entire selection process, including spending a fortune on the medical, and getting a no thanks at the very end.
Doesn’t it make more sense to say to people you are in pending the medical?? It seems pretty simple.

Absolutely agree. Have heard a few stories of this happening. Aside from the huge disappointment, why make someone spend all that money unnecessarily - unless of course it’s a Medical issue.

[bazza stub]

why make someone spend all that money unnecessarily

Because it’s Qantas and people are not worthy of any respect.

[Rated De]

Originally Posted by bazza stub

Because it’s Qantas and people are not worthy of any respect.

Literature abounds with regard to the QF Industrial Relations model.

Whist there are more extreme postures, QF is adversarial.
Treating front line (Customer facing) the way they do would seem a farcical posture, but it is what it is.
Airlines are a team sport a dynamic and fluid business, having your people onside would seem axiomatic.

Herb Kelleher of Southwest said:

“Treat your employees like customers.”

It would seem QF didn't get the memo and extending that to potential employees is simply not in their playbook.

[Dunda]

Originally Posted by startno1

I can’t believe I’m hearing of people being put through the entire selection process, including spending a fortune on the medical, and getting a no thanks at the very end.
Doesn’t it make more sense to say to people you are in pending the medical?? It seems pretty simple.

They used to do it that way. It’s a shame that after 2 years experience recruiting pilots, they are still making amateur mistakes. A professional and experienced outfit would show I bit more courtesy.

[neville_nobody]

The root of the problem is that there is no competition for pilot labour. If you had 3-4 other airlines based in Australia at QFs scale you wouldn't be paying for your interview medical that's for sure. As it stands QF basically get to see 99% of the Australian Pilot population at least once so they effectively can do whatever they want. I guess it gives you an insight into what you are up for over the next 30+ years of your working career.

[skysook]

Are there any updates on course dates, numbers per course and how many are still on hold waiting for a start date? I believe the hold file has been re-populated lately and I'm just trying to get an idea of how long the wait will be.

Cheers in advance if anyone can share some solid information.

Skysook

[Popgun]

Originally Posted by neville_nobody

The root of the problem is that there is no competition for pilot labour. If you had 3-4 other airlines based in Australia at QFs scale you wouldn't be paying for your interview medical that's for sure. As it stands QF basically get to see 99% of the Australian Pilot population at least once so they effectively can do whatever they want. I guess it gives you an insight into what you are up for over the next 30+ years of your working career.

Exactly.

With 10-20 more-than-suitable candidates for every available coveted position, the pilot shortage is a long way (never) from arriving at QF mainline.

PG

[Hold_Short]

I asked the same question when they sent me all the paperwork for the medical. They wanted all this completed at my cost BEFORE it would be sent to the Executive Review Board for consideration. I couldn't believe it. But they said I had to spend it to be considered, so I was left with no choice. What woukd have got me alot more annoyed is if I was unsuccessful.

They even had to cheek to say if you do not complete the medical we can can withdraw your application.

Further investigation uncovered that the information the company was looking for was for issues years down the track. Although I already held a Class 1 medical they wanted to find out if there was something that could impede myself in say 10 years time and ultimately affect my employment. I was amazed. They must be playing god in trying the predict the future.

[Hold_Short]

Originally Posted by skysook

Are there any updates on course dates, numbers per course and how many are still on hold waiting for a start date? I believe the hold file has been re-populated lately and I'm just trying to get an idea of how long the wait will be.

Cheers in advance if anyone can share some solid information.

Skysook

What I have been told there are start dates each month for new/internal applicants. Thats as far as I got with them.

They said they will not issue fleet or base information to those new recruits until 4-6 weeks prior to start date.

[Aviatrix91]

The info hasn’t changed for those asking. You get your base and fleet when you get your start date which on the last course ranged from 10 days to 4 weeks out. There is 1 course every month with between 6-20 people on course ( last course had 10). Hold file varies ( appears internals get a date depending on your release from your current employer and it looks like for externals it’s competitive, ie dependant on how you performed which also means that if people interview after you but performed better they will start sooner) last course everyone was on hold file between 12-18 months.

[cqd]

Are new joiners getting courses on all the fleets or is it only 787/330? And are the bases varying a lot now or mainly Perth?

[bazza stub]

With 10-20 more-than-suitable candidates

10-20 candidates may be correct. More than suitable?? I’d check that if I were you.

Ask someone in the training department what the training success rate is these days compared to several years ago.

[Rated De]

Originally Posted by bazza stub

10-20 candidates may be correct. More than suitable?? I’d check that if I were you.

Ask someone in the training department what the training success rate is these days compared to several years ago.

That is an interesting point you raise.
In Europe the parasite consumed the host a while ago: Recruitment became the domain of HR. Always looking for 'self justification' many flight operations departments lost control. The result was something that had training departments scratching their heads.
The input of pilots in pilot recruitment was at least in the case of several Europeans carriers, the least worst system. The result of less pilot input and more HR driven process has been increased training costs. 'Candidates' selected by 'talent acquisition' or other buzzword people lacked the 'je ne sais pas quoi' that pilots need. To be fair the experience levels are dropping as the supply of experienced pilots dries up, however the point remains that why allow a business to incur additional cost as a result of loss of process control? Several airlines are looking at removing HR input and returning to something more akin to days past.

In Australia, the lack of recruitment for many years may well have disguised the loss of process control. That loss may well be making itself evident now.
With Little Napoleon at the helm, things won't improve as QF is well and truly captured by management that know little of what it is airlines do: Selecting high quality pilots is one of them.

[startno1]

Sometimes out of the 10-20 candidates, the honest and more than suitable ones are being let go for ridiculous reasons after going through the whole thing.

If it's so cut throat, why do they give people a second chance on the talentq verification test? The only people I know who had to come back and resit these were the ones who didn't actually sit the first one themselves, surprise surprise.

[JPJP]

Originally Posted by Hold_Short

I asked the same question when they sent me all the paperwork for the medical. They wanted all this completed at my cost BEFORE it would be sent to the Executive Review Board for consideration. I couldn't believe it. But they said I had to spend it to be considered, so I was left with no choice. What woukd have got me alot more annoyed is if I was unsuccessful.

They even had to cheek to say if you do not complete the medical we can can withdraw your application.

Further investigation uncovered that the information the company was looking for was for issues years down the track. Although I already held a Class 1 medical they wanted to find out if there was something that could impede myself in say 10 years time and ultimately affect my employment. I was amazed. They must be playing god in trying the predict the future.

This is why they make you complete all parts of the testing prior to the Board. It’s the oldest trick in the H.R. book - If the medical turns up something that they believe will cost them money and/or your productivity in a decade, they are able to legally reject you. The candidate will never know that they were rejected for medical reasons, since it can be argued that there was some other fiendish flaw found in the totality of the information in your application (interview, simulator, or the cut of your jib).

If a job offer is extended pending the results of your medical, and you hold the required CASA Class 1; it is illegal to reject you on medical grounds. American Airlines used to have a medical prior to employment. They were informed that it was illegal, and quietly dropped that portion of the assessment.