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Old 9th Sep 2019, 00:12
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And no conditional employment contract. Conditional offer of employment with nothing in writing.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 00:18
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Originally Posted by Inspired View Post
If you have anything above a PPL you are overqualified.
Currently only RPC/RPL, but the relatively high hours might be too much for them. Will see what they say.


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And no conditional employment contract. Conditional offer of employment with nothing in writing.
Interesting... I spoke to someone who got into the mid-year intake this year and she said they were offered a conditional employment contract in writing after the Stage 3 panel interview. Might double-check my source before applying.

Does anyone know what they are actually looking for in the application? Obviously passion and grit is a baseline so just trying to get a better idea of what I can do to better represent myself.
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And no conditional employment contract. Conditional offer of employment with nothing in writing.
every cadet that has successfully completed the course has been employed into Jetstar since the program began. The risk v reward of the program is pretty good Iíd say.

Put yourself in the shoes of an 18 yo kid straight out of high school. An opportunity to do an 18 month course to then be flying all over Asia as a jet SO by the time theyíre 20. And if they get sick of that, they have first dibs at positions within QF.

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Has any cadets been upgraded command on the bus yet? Must have been 7 or 8 years since they started the program
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Has any cadets been upgraded command on the bus yet? Must have been 7 or 8 years since they started the program
Yeh there are a bunch of cadet captains getting around now.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 05:14
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Yep, lot's of them.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 23:44
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Put yourself in the shoes of an 18 yo kid straight out of high school. An opportunity to do an 18 month course to then be flying all over Asia as a jet SO by the time theyíre 20. And if they get sick of that, they have first dibs at positions within QF.
From what I have observed there are not that many 18 yo straight out of school cadets and the ones that are, are immature in the way they conduct themselves. The best cadets I have flown with are those with some previous work experience. I do agree with you that they get sick of being a Jetstar pilot because they start to realise that airline flying is not all glamour and cool sunglasses. I'm not sure though why you think they won't eventually feel the same way after the excitement of being a QF SO wears off. I'm also not sure why you think that they get "first dibs" within QF. They get the same opportunity as any other QF Group pilot. In fact they get less opportunity until they achieve the minimum PIC requirements.
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From what I have observed there are not that many 18 yo straight out of school cadets and the ones that are, are immature in the way they conduct themselves. The best cadets I have flown with are those with some previous work experience. I do agree with you that they get sick of being a Jetstar pilot because they start to realise that airline flying is not all glamour and cool sunglasses. I'm not sure though why you think they won't eventually feel the same way after the excitement of being a QF SO wears off. I'm also not sure why you think that they get "first dibs" within QF. They get the same opportunity as any other QF Group pilot. In fact they get less opportunity until they achieve the minimum PIC requirements.
They get first dibs at QF mainline jobs, given the groups preference to internal applications. Dozens have gone/are going. Itís not hard to go and hire a Cessna for 50 hours and get the required PIC. Its a great fork in the road to have. Stay at JQ and get an early command (for most cadets by the time theyíre in their early 30ís) or go to QF and enjoy the benefits of working for a legacy carrier.

I joined the airline as a cadet, straight out of high school and have loved the experience.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 00:50
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I joined the airline as a cadet, straight out of high school and have loved the experience.
ECAM would you mind if I sent you a PM?
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post


They get first dibs at QF mainline jobs, given the groups preference to internal applications. Dozens have gone/are going. Itís not hard to go and hire a Cessna for 50 hours and get the required PIC. Its a great fork in the road to have. Stay at JQ and get an early command (for most cadets by the time theyíre in their early 30ís) or go to QF and enjoy the benefits of working for a legacy carrier.

I joined the airline as a cadet, straight out of high school and have loved the experience.
You know, despite all the ďcadet bashingĒ that occurs on these forums from those who are not cadets itís rare to meet someone who gained their job through a Cadetship and hasnít had mostly positive experiences. I wonít say totally positive but for the most part those whoíve undergone most forms of cadetships generally wouldnít have pursued a different path if they had their time over again.
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By the time they leave school and go through Oxford by the time they are checked online with the Airbus they would be 21/22?

Which would put the new cadet captains at 28-30yrs old.

What about those who went right onto the 787. 787 SO to 320 FO to 320 CPT would be 15 years. Most probably leave for Emirates before it reaches that far.

I dont think Jetstar is a long term career airline for the cadets. Chances of staying 40 or 50 years?
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 03:31
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Jetstar can be a great place to work. When youíre young, energetic and keen.

But itís not a Ďfor your entire careerí airline.

Unfortunately, the only career airline in Australia is Qantas. And youíll be waiting most of your career to achieve your career goals.

When I was a G.A./regional airline pilot the mere thought of cadets invoked a passionate response. It wasnít pure. It wasnít how youíre supposed to do it. Queue jumpers. Selfish little wart faced gits. all that talk.

But - if you havenít had a look around the boondocks recently, GA is a shadow of what it was when my contemporaries went up norf (sic). So cadets are the future. And Iíd be a million ahead and in a far better career position than I am currently.

So if youíre considering a career in aviation. Join the QF group as a cadet and see where it takes you.
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I joined the airline as a cadet, straight out of high school and have loved the experience.
I have no doubts at all that the experience has been a good one and that you have put in the required work to get through the course and become a 320 F/O. Your assertion however that Jetstar cadets have any greater chance or opportunity of moving to mainline than other QF group pilots is wrong. A lot of the early cadets have indeed moved onto a legacy carrier but it hasn't been Qantas. Air NZ are very happy to take Jetstar's cadets off their hand!
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 04:18
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Your assertion however that Jetstar cadets have any greater chance or opportunity of moving to mainline than other QF group pilots is wrong.
I never said that.

Group pilots in general have a better chance at joining QF mainline than external applicants (JQ, QLink, EFA)



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I never said that.

Group pilots in general have a better chance at joining QF mainline than external applicants (JQ, QLink, EFA)
Thatís not true either.

Group pilots get the first interview and entry to the hold. However they are released from the hold on a commercial basis.

So if youíre a link Pilot, some folk are still waiting from the first round of recruitment.

Youíre better off being external and a 737 driver from the opposition.

Having said that, itís good to see the company still recruit from within. There is a lot of experience now across the various divisions (and I mean divisions).

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So have many cadets left in the last decade? Iíd imagine turnover will be high once they are 5 years into a 10 year potential command upgrade wait.

The problem with cadets and Iíve seen this attitude as mentioned above is itís not a career airline. This will bite in the future and they will get caught out with lack of people in the right seat because they donít have anyone suitable left to upgrade. Or they canít upgrade fast enough.

The ex GA guy or girl that has worked for half dozen operators in the past will probably stay longer having seen a lot, and end up in management roles.
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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin View Post


Thatís not true either.

Group pilots get the first interview and entry to the hold. However they are released from the hold on a commercial basis.

So if youíre a link Pilot, some folk are still waiting from the first round of recruitment.

Youíre better off being external and a 737 driver from the opposition.

Having said that, itís good to see the company still recruitment from within. There is a lot of experience now across the various divisions (and I mean divisions).
thatís a good point, my comments were based on the fact that with each round of recruitment, applications tended to be open to internal applicants first. But youíre right, once on the hold file externals donít have the problem of being held back by a subsidiary.

I havent been through the QF recruitment process myself so Iím definitely not an expert.
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Which would put the new cadet captains at 28-30yrs old.

What about those who went right onto the 787. 787 SO to 320 FO to 320 CPT would be 15 years.
Why?

How does being a 787 SO for 3 years cost you 7-8 years in getting your command? Approximately 7 years for a command, doesnít mean 7 years as a 320 FO, means 7 years from the date you join.
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But youíre right, once on the hold file externals donít have the problem of being held back by a subsidiary.
So being an internal applicant can be a disadvantage?

It has always been an advantage to apply from a non-group subsidiary or to advise QF recruitment that another airline is going to interview you.

The problem with cadets and Iíve seen this attitude as mentioned above is itís not a career airline. This will bite in the future and they will get caught out with lack of people in the right seat because they donít have anyone suitable left to upgrade. Or they canít upgrade fast enough.
Given the experience levels of the F/O's recruited in the last two years JQ will not have a problem upgrading to the LHS. EC has already stated that he/she is a cadet and has also stated that they haven't gone through the QF process so that would suggest that they are looking at JQ as a career.
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