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Old 18th Feb 2019, 22:17
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Just a bit of an update guys.

No a320 intakes are planned for this year - it's horrible news for the guys on hold.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 23:07
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I’m told the next 12-18 months training will be focused on command upgrades with some new A320 F/Os coming from the 787 S/Os being released. With F/O hours way down at the moment it’s not surprising that recruiting is on hold. But like all things at Jetstar the plan will most likely change.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 23:20
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With up to 80 FOs waiting for start dates at the mothership, it wonít be too long before crew planning are caught with their pants down (again).

Dont worry though, being forced to work on your days off (company log of claims) should solve all their woes.

Iíd say sit tight. Things change very quickly.

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Old 19th Feb 2019, 01:00
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Originally Posted by MACH082
With up to 80 FOs waiting for start dates at the mothership, it wonít be too long before crew planning are caught with their pants down (again).

Dont worry though, being forced to work on your days off (company log of claims) should solve all their woes.

Iíd say sit tight. Things change very quickly.

How can you be forced to work on a day off? Letís just remove the WDO clause all together I would vote for that, I can imagine the cancelations now.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 01:21
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Have any of the cadets from the beginning way back, got commands yet?
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 01:23
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How can you be forced to work on a day off?
It was a tongue in cheek comment from MACH082. The company want to introduce that into the next EBA, it was in their log of claims.

I tend to agree, with the f/oís About to depart they will fall short very quickly. Captains have been at high hours for years so there isnít much fat left in the crewing numbers. Sit tight....
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 01:28
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Originally Posted by wheels_down
Have any of the cadets from the beginning way back, got commands yet?
Theyre currently in training.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 01:48
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I don’t know where that 80 figure came from of F/Os departing for QF, I’ve heard of only around 10 guys in Sydney getting in recently and less in Melbourne.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 02:26
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I think there is about 25 across JQ from what Iíve heard. Two skippers going also. Definitely not 80.

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Old 19th Feb 2019, 04:17
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Does the JQ EBA company log of claims really include a proposal for a requirement to work on designated days off? I would like to see that.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 04:58
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They can put anything in the proposed EBA they like. Doesnít mean itíll get a yes vote.

Even if they pay silly money for flexibility, eventually the crew will call enoughs and enough and vote for lifestyle measures.

From what I understand and correct me if Iím wrong, the company want the ability to call you out on a standby day which runs into days off. They want the ability to force you to work and pay you the WDOs. Presently you can say no to a duty that runs past 2300 into a day off.

Of course, the cynic in me would suggest they will lose standby coverage as there would be plenty of URTI days being used.

Anyway sit tight. There will be plenty of training going on shortly.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 05:37
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Is it possible that it is all part of their IR posturing?
After all it is contract season and what better way to stop all those ambit claims by simply slowing recruitment and training and 'spinning' there is no shortage?
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 07:19
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Originally Posted by Rated De
Is it possible that it is all part of their IR posturing?
After all it is contract season and what better way to stop all those ambit claims by simply slowing recruitment and training and 'spinning' there is no shortage?
Its a reasonable question RDe, but the planes canít fly themselves just yet and the stick hours each month donít lie. Itís probably a good trick thatís worked successfully in the past, but unless aeroplanes stop flying I donít think itís a plausible one that many people are going to swallow. Secondly we all know what happens if aeroplanes donít fly..... management bonuses suffer.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 08:17
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Interestingly the block hours for March are quite low.....perhaps the basket weavers have it right for now.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 18:57
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March is generally low donít be fooled. I was rostered approx same hrs last March.
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 19:56
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How many on hold file at the moment? Would progression be similar on the 787 and narrowbody fleet be similiar times to mothership, what's the typical time frame? If 320 FO bid to fly the 787, what position do they move into?
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 22:49
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Originally Posted by Cleared for take-off
How many on hold file at the moment? Would progression be similar on the 787 and narrowbody fleet be similiar times to mothership, what's the typical time frame? If 320 FO bid to fly the 787, what position do they move into?
Acording to the latest seniority list:

787 F/O approx 5 years from date of join.

A320 command currently around 6 years in Sydney.

Rough guides only of course as there are many variables, mainly how many extra airframes the A321LRs will result in.
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 01:54
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE


Acording to the latest seniority list:

787 F/O approx 5 years from date of join.

A320 command currently around 6 years in Sydney.

Rough guides only of course as there are many variables, mainly how many extra airframes the A321LRs will result in.
Whilst you're correct, it should be noted that time to command is going to blow out massively for anyone who joins now.
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 05:03
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Be a good 10-12 yrs to command for the guys who started in the recruitment drive starting 2016 as all the entitled Cadets are starting to acquire the B/S ICUS and their 100hrs flying in circles in a diamond to get the hrs for the ATPL.

78 if they are still around be about 5-8 yrs in Mel, over 10yrs in any other base.
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Old 21st Feb 2019, 05:33
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You guys crack me up.

Lets run some ďwholeĒ numbers shall we.

call the fleet size ď50Ē. For optimism sake we will say they grow the fleet at 3% (which is more likely as shown with current fleet growth numbers).

3% Growth (Realistic)
10 years = 67 aircraft = 75 commands
15 years = 78 aircraft = 140 commands

6% Growth (Very Optimistic)
10 years = 90 aircraft = 200 commands
15 years = 120 aircraft = 350 commands

Now lets take into account retirements = 50 pilots over the next 10 years in JQ.

So in 10 years that will be 125 to 250 commands.

last Sydney command position 700.... (~70 FOís eligible for commands above the 700 line)

corrected commands 55-180 commands from 700 onwards in 10 years

Seniority numbers 791 to 976 will have commands by 2029 from today.

791, time to command 18 years time to command in a realistic environment with no downsizing.

976, time to command 12 years in an extremely good optimistic environment.


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