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Cos what I'd do before I have contracts signed or licences & permits in my possession is buy a Toyota Hilux with a tradie trailer, fully kitted. I haven't got carpenters for some of them. I've got them parked up in the short term car park at Tulla. I've got six of them now but some other d!ckhead is paying for half of them (don't tell anyone but some shonky f@cka paid for my half as well, I made them nominate me as the majority owner
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Let's set Qantas free to off shore?
Meanwhile, it appears Alan is getting his way on the QSA..... the Lib's are working overtime...
Of course the story is from the Australian, true to form, funny how they get these exclusives.. for me, not sure Qantas has the right management to be "set free" I smell a rat with the line
More like in reverse Mr Tehan! I think AJ & Co will be free to off-shore more jobs... if the QSA is changed.. lining their own pockets in the process in my view....
Remember this from the 7.30 report & what Nick X said back in December, interesting to watch it again a month later... really hits home when you consider what we now know about J* Japan & HK etc......
Let's set Qantas free, say Coalition MPs
QANTAS is gaining ground in its quest for government help to fend off its rivals as Coalition MPs speak up for reforms to foreign ownership laws that keep the airline in Australian hands.
Blasting the "regulatory straitjacket" on the airline, the head of the Coalition's tourism group is calling publicly for changes to the foreign ownership caps while other MPs warn of the threats to the company.
The comments build the case within the government for legislation to free Qantas of the 49 per cent cap on foreign ownership, clearing the way for a restructure to deal with its mounting losses.
Government MPs fear the company's financial woes will lead to cuts to regional air routes, damaging a tourism industry already reeling from the high Australian dollar.
Writing in The Australian today, Liberal MP Dan Tehan warns that skilled workers will lose their jobs unless there are changes to the 1992 ownership law, freeing up the airline.
"In this new world, the Qantas Sale Act is working against the interests of the very company it was legislated to protect. It needs to be changed," he writes.
Mr Tehan, who leads the "friends of tourism" group within the Coalition party room, is calling for reforms that go beyond comments from Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey in recent weeks about the challenges facing the airline.
While the Prime Minister said last month it was "not unreasonable" for the company to seek changes to regulations, he and his cabinet colleagues are being careful to avoid explicit support for change until Qantas spells out what it seeks.
Mr Tehan's argument appears set to escalate the political debate - and possibly draw out support for reform - despite Labor's objections to any change to the foreign ownership cap.
The Coalition "friends of tourism" group has played a key role in decisions about Qantas in the past, including when the group's leader Bruce Baird led the objections to a private equity bid for the airline during the last term of the Howard government.
Mr Tehan writes that Qantas is struggling to raise funds because of the limits placed on it.
"The time has come to ask ourselves, do we want to ground the kangaroo or let it fly?" he writes.
"Inaction on this decision will likely see the airline go the way of other heavily subsidised industries in Australia, leaving many skilled workers unemployed and potentially another significant dent in an already battered budget.
"We have the opportunity to frame a new way of handling our national carrier - as a fully privatised and prosperous enterprise rather than a parochial anachronism of a bygone era.
"As a nation we must review the idea that national prestige is subsidised by the continuation of a protected national airline."
Mr Abbott said in December it was "not unreasonable" for Qantas to want a "level playing field" but he stopped short of supporting a specific change to the Sale Act.
Treasurer Hockey called at the same time for a "proper national debate" over the rules but did not say how they should be changed.
Within the government, some believe the best reform would be the removal of the foreign ownership cap so that Qantas could strike an alliance with an overseas investor, and split the domestic and international operations.
Liberal MP Karen Andrews backed a review of the rules, telling The
Australian yesterday that there was a case for change.
"We should certainly be open to considering changes to the Qantas Sale Act but Qantas would need to demonstrate that changes to the level of foreign ownership would lead to an improvement in its ability to compete with other carriers," she said.
"Qantas needs to come up with a compelling proposal to demonstrate how each of the individual components of the package would lead to an improvement."
While the airline wants the Qantas Sale Act repealed, it has avoided any public statement on other forms of help such as a government investment or a commonwealth guarantee over its debt so it could cut the cost of borrowing. This has frustrated the government and prompted Mr Abbott to say that Qantas had to "fight for" the changes it wanted and get its "house in order" before seeking taxpayer help.
Qantas is believed to see the debt guarantee as a more urgent requirement than the repeal of the Sale Act, calculating that it would take months to get the legislation changed in the Senate given objections from Labor and the Greens.
"We're in ongoing dialogue with the government about specific measures to level the playing field, but as we have said all along we're not providing a running commentary of those discussions," said a company spokesman last night.
"We are getting on with the work of transforming our business in the face of broader pressures in the domestic and international aviation markets."
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QANTAS is gaining ground in its quest for government help to fend off its rivals as Coalition MPs speak up for reforms to foreign ownership laws that keep the airline in Australian hands.
Blasting the "regulatory straitjacket" on the airline, the head of the Coalition's tourism group is calling publicly for changes to the foreign ownership caps while other MPs warn of the threats to the company.
The comments build the case within the government for legislation to free Qantas of the 49 per cent cap on foreign ownership, clearing the way for a restructure to deal with its mounting losses.
Government MPs fear the company's financial woes will lead to cuts to regional air routes, damaging a tourism industry already reeling from the high Australian dollar.
Writing in The Australian today, Liberal MP Dan Tehan warns that skilled workers will lose their jobs unless there are changes to the 1992 ownership law, freeing up the airline.
"In this new world, the Qantas Sale Act is working against the interests of the very company it was legislated to protect. It needs to be changed," he writes.
Mr Tehan, who leads the "friends of tourism" group within the Coalition party room, is calling for reforms that go beyond comments from Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey in recent weeks about the challenges facing the airline.
While the Prime Minister said last month it was "not unreasonable" for the company to seek changes to regulations, he and his cabinet colleagues are being careful to avoid explicit support for change until Qantas spells out what it seeks.
Mr Tehan's argument appears set to escalate the political debate - and possibly draw out support for reform - despite Labor's objections to any change to the foreign ownership cap.
The Coalition "friends of tourism" group has played a key role in decisions about Qantas in the past, including when the group's leader Bruce Baird led the objections to a private equity bid for the airline during the last term of the Howard government.
Mr Tehan writes that Qantas is struggling to raise funds because of the limits placed on it.
"The time has come to ask ourselves, do we want to ground the kangaroo or let it fly?" he writes.
"Inaction on this decision will likely see the airline go the way of other heavily subsidised industries in Australia, leaving many skilled workers unemployed and potentially another significant dent in an already battered budget.
"We have the opportunity to frame a new way of handling our national carrier - as a fully privatised and prosperous enterprise rather than a parochial anachronism of a bygone era.
"As a nation we must review the idea that national prestige is subsidised by the continuation of a protected national airline."
Mr Abbott said in December it was "not unreasonable" for Qantas to want a "level playing field" but he stopped short of supporting a specific change to the Sale Act.
Treasurer Hockey called at the same time for a "proper national debate" over the rules but did not say how they should be changed.
Within the government, some believe the best reform would be the removal of the foreign ownership cap so that Qantas could strike an alliance with an overseas investor, and split the domestic and international operations.
Liberal MP Karen Andrews backed a review of the rules, telling The
Australian yesterday that there was a case for change.
"We should certainly be open to considering changes to the Qantas Sale Act but Qantas would need to demonstrate that changes to the level of foreign ownership would lead to an improvement in its ability to compete with other carriers," she said.
"Qantas needs to come up with a compelling proposal to demonstrate how each of the individual components of the package would lead to an improvement."
While the airline wants the Qantas Sale Act repealed, it has avoided any public statement on other forms of help such as a government investment or a commonwealth guarantee over its debt so it could cut the cost of borrowing. This has frustrated the government and prompted Mr Abbott to say that Qantas had to "fight for" the changes it wanted and get its "house in order" before seeking taxpayer help.
Qantas is believed to see the debt guarantee as a more urgent requirement than the repeal of the Sale Act, calculating that it would take months to get the legislation changed in the Senate given objections from Labor and the Greens.
"We're in ongoing dialogue with the government about specific measures to level the playing field, but as we have said all along we're not providing a running commentary of those discussions," said a company spokesman last night.
"We are getting on with the work of transforming our business in the face of broader pressures in the domestic and international aviation markets."
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"Liberal MP Dan Tehan warns that skilled workers will lose their jobs unless there are changes to the 1992 ownership law, freeing up the airline.
Remember this from the 7.30 report & what Nick X said back in December, interesting to watch it again a month later... really hits home when you consider what we now know about J* Japan & HK etc......
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I have been told that the entire casa synchronisation of australian legislation with the easa rules was caused by qantas management wanting to get rid of australian maintenance.
I dont know just how true that is but $240 million of legislative bollocks just to help qantas. ....good
grief!
I dont know just how true that is but $240 million of legislative bollocks just to help qantas. ....good
grief!
Of course the idea of "setting Qantas Free" sounds very attractive, John Singleton probably thought that slogan up.
However there is a second part to the slogan that is not so pretty: "chain down Australian travelers".
If Qantas is "set free" then we immediately need a complete open skies aviation access policy in Australia to "Set Free" Australian travellers from the tyranny of Qantas who own a very large chunk of the aviation infrastructure.
That means allowing international carriers access to all domestic routes as well as the international routes in and out of the country - others can explain this better than me.
However there is a second part to the slogan that is not so pretty: "chain down Australian travelers".
If Qantas is "set free" then we immediately need a complete open skies aviation access policy in Australia to "Set Free" Australian travellers from the tyranny of Qantas who own a very large chunk of the aviation infrastructure.
That means allowing international carriers access to all domestic routes as well as the international routes in and out of the country - others can explain this better than me.
The domestic market in Australia apart from the 'golden triangle' is small compared to other regions of the world. People here live in a dream that things will be better if QF isn't owned by the "market" . Remember it was the Government of the day that set the QF ownership cap not QF! The world's biggest market does not allow international airlines to fly domestically and the system there works from a transportation perspective. Europe is a different case as the countries are physically very small although I don't see Air France flying from London to Edinburgh! Why is it OK for Virgin to be majority owned by foreigners [an JB still calling it Australian - a joke or he didn't pass Geography at school] and not QF???
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QANTAS is gaining ground in its quest for government help to fend off its rivals as Coalition MPs speak up for reforms to foreign ownership laws that keep the airline in Australian hands.
Fighting with one hand tied behind his back? Hardly (IMHO).
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If Qantas is "set free" then we immediately need a complete open skies aviation access policy in Australia to "Set Free" Australian travellers from the tyranny of Qantas who own a very large chunk of the aviation infrastructure.
That means allowing international carriers access to all domestic routes as well as the international routes in and out of the country - others can explain this better than me.
That means allowing international carriers access to all domestic routes as well as the international routes in and out of the country - others can explain this better than me.
So let me get this straight...a cap on foreign ownership is hurting Qantas how, again? The board has bled the current shareholders almost dry, so they need a larger pool of victims? Is that it?
For those of you advocating open skies...how is allowing a foreign carrier unfettered, and untaxed rights into an already over-supplied market going to help anyone?
For those of you advocating open skies...how is allowing a foreign carrier unfettered, and untaxed rights into an already over-supplied market going to help anyone?
JETSTAR AT NARITA
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Jetstar Japan are not at Narita by choice, they cannot operate from Haneda due limited slots, which is why the ill fated Air Asia Japan was also based at Narita!
The limited slots at Haneda being released by the Government are going to either JAL and ANA, or International Airlines to operate new Interational services from Haneda.
This in fact demonstrates another reason why LCCs will struggle in the future, slot restricted or Airports at or near capacity,are realising that LCCs bring limited Passengers and revenue to their slot restricted Airports, compared to International Airlines flying wide body Aircraft.
Jetstar Japan are not at Narita by choice, they cannot operate from Haneda due limited slots, which is why the ill fated Air Asia Japan was also based at Narita!
The limited slots at Haneda being released by the Government are going to either JAL and ANA, or International Airlines to operate new Interational services from Haneda.
This in fact demonstrates another reason why LCCs will struggle in the future, slot restricted or Airports at or near capacity,are realising that LCCs bring limited Passengers and revenue to their slot restricted Airports, compared to International Airlines flying wide body Aircraft.
If Qantas is "set free" then we immediately need a complete open skies aviation access policy in Australia to "Set Free" Australian travellers from the tyranny of Qantas who own a very large chunk of the aviation infrastructure.
That means allowing international carriers access to all domestic routes as well as the international routes in and out of the country - others can explain this better than me.
That means allowing international carriers access to all domestic routes as well as the international routes in and out of the country - others can explain this better than me.
With no Australian registered aircraft, who needs CASA? Air Services? Ujung HF should just reach our southern most airspace! Airports, terminals - who cares? 100% foreign ownership all round! Let's make this country great!
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Yeah I knew they couldnt base out of Haneda but I was surprised they would even try and make it out of Narita, Air Asia Japan fell on a bloody sword, and I am pretty certain Jetstar Japan will as well! They have been doomed since the inception, just aggravates me that they think they can succeed when every man and his dog knows it will fail...
Yeah I knew they couldnt base out of Haneda but I was surprised they would even try and make it out of Narita, Air Asia Japan fell on a bloody sword, and I am pretty certain Jetstar Japan will as well! They have been doomed since the inception, just aggravates me that they think they can succeed when every man and his dog knows it will fail...
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With no Australian registered aircraft, who needs CASA? Air Services?
Would be like 1989 again.
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With no Australian registered aircraft, who needs CASA? Air Services?
Would be like 1989 again.
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I don't know? 
But I did NOT mention Hitler or the Nazis?
Just saying it would be like back then, we had all sorts of foreign registered aircraft operating Australia wide, but no Aussie (Commercial) ones, that was all I meant.
But I did NOT mention Hitler or the Nazis?
Just saying it would be like back then, we had all sorts of foreign registered aircraft operating Australia wide, but no Aussie (Commercial) ones, that was all I meant.
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I assure everyone I meant no offence, and did not mention what happened then.
Perhaps a little humour at my expense will help?
During that sad time we had to handle all the ''visitors'' and although I had been with one Company at the time for some 25-26 years, they had different procedures to what we were used to.
I was handling and then dispatching one of them one night, first time I had done this one, Aircraft was parked side on to the terminal as we did not do pushouts.
I gave the Crew clear to start both engines, then one of them said ''turning right''
I looked around and told them ''you can NOT do that or you will hit the terminal''.
After they stopped laughing they explained that meant to THEM they were cranking up (turning) the right engine.
Then when they said ''turning left'' I very confidently told them that is better it is clear that way.................
True story............
Perhaps a little humour at my expense will help?
During that sad time we had to handle all the ''visitors'' and although I had been with one Company at the time for some 25-26 years, they had different procedures to what we were used to.
I was handling and then dispatching one of them one night, first time I had done this one, Aircraft was parked side on to the terminal as we did not do pushouts.
I gave the Crew clear to start both engines, then one of them said ''turning right''
I looked around and told them ''you can NOT do that or you will hit the terminal''.
After they stopped laughing they explained that meant to THEM they were cranking up (turning) the right engine.
Then when they said ''turning left'' I very confidently told them that is better it is clear that way.................
True story............