MERGED: Alan's still not happy......
Dear Alan
On behalf of all the foreign airlines flying into Australia, we would like to thank you for your patronage in 2013. You and you alone have been responsible for our continued success in the Australian market.
Your ability to reduce capacity to all major markets has given us renewed confidence. At current rates the Rat will be a tail no more.
One small example may serve to illustrate the point. Japan.
Certainly the outbound tourism market ex-Japan to Australia has plummeted from heights of 700,000 just a decade ago to 350,000 in 2012. I guess 2013 was similar. The pedestal you have chosen is high A$, high fuel prices and the GFC...at a time when outbound tourism from Japan has continued to grow.
Your brilliance however goes deeper than the cold facts.
Outbound from Japan you have reduced your capacity to one flight a day from Narita to Sydney. To make up for this you have decided to transfer 50% of the direct capacity ex-Japan to Jetstar and deposit two thirds of them in a mangrove swamp at 5.00am every morning.
No wonder 22% of the southbound traffic and nearly 40% of the northbound traffic (210,000) choose to fly with CX, SQ and others (mainly Korean and Asiana).
Japan Airlines has been complicit in this brilliant strategy by reducing their capacity to one flight a day from Narita to Sydney. Recently they have started downsizing from the 300 seat 777 to the 787 which carries about 200.
It is sad indeed that you think Qantas and Australia is but Sydney alone.
We fly double daily to Perth, daily to Adelaide, Brisbane, Cairns and triple daily to Melbourne apart from four a day to Sydney. Add this to about 90+ flights a week to Japan - Tokyo 42, Osaka 21, Nagoya 14, Fukuoka 7, Sapporo 7 and you can see how your strategy has been a big plus (for everyone but QF)
You would be surprised to see how many of the pax we carry actually want to go to Japan but refuse to go to the Gold Coast or Cairns to take advantage of your Jetstar service.
FWIW, we would pay you about $ 500 a year to advise us on our Australian strategy. I suggest that's $500 a year more than anyone else would pay you.
I hope you last through 2014 because we are all banking on it
On behalf of all the foreign airlines flying into Australia, we would like to thank you for your patronage in 2013. You and you alone have been responsible for our continued success in the Australian market.
Your ability to reduce capacity to all major markets has given us renewed confidence. At current rates the Rat will be a tail no more.
One small example may serve to illustrate the point. Japan.
Certainly the outbound tourism market ex-Japan to Australia has plummeted from heights of 700,000 just a decade ago to 350,000 in 2012. I guess 2013 was similar. The pedestal you have chosen is high A$, high fuel prices and the GFC...at a time when outbound tourism from Japan has continued to grow.
Your brilliance however goes deeper than the cold facts.
Outbound from Japan you have reduced your capacity to one flight a day from Narita to Sydney. To make up for this you have decided to transfer 50% of the direct capacity ex-Japan to Jetstar and deposit two thirds of them in a mangrove swamp at 5.00am every morning.
No wonder 22% of the southbound traffic and nearly 40% of the northbound traffic (210,000) choose to fly with CX, SQ and others (mainly Korean and Asiana).
Japan Airlines has been complicit in this brilliant strategy by reducing their capacity to one flight a day from Narita to Sydney. Recently they have started downsizing from the 300 seat 777 to the 787 which carries about 200.
It is sad indeed that you think Qantas and Australia is but Sydney alone.
We fly double daily to Perth, daily to Adelaide, Brisbane, Cairns and triple daily to Melbourne apart from four a day to Sydney. Add this to about 90+ flights a week to Japan - Tokyo 42, Osaka 21, Nagoya 14, Fukuoka 7, Sapporo 7 and you can see how your strategy has been a big plus (for everyone but QF)
You would be surprised to see how many of the pax we carry actually want to go to Japan but refuse to go to the Gold Coast or Cairns to take advantage of your Jetstar service.
FWIW, we would pay you about $ 500 a year to advise us on our Australian strategy. I suggest that's $500 a year more than anyone else would pay you.
I hope you last through 2014 because we are all banking on it
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Excellent post HFX,just excellent.
Just to show how little thought goes into things at Qantas and why Cathay gets lots of Australian traffic to Sapporo. The QF 21 arrives in Narita at 0610. To connect to Sapporo on the Qantas website you get JAL at 1020 a 4 hour transit. There part owned partner Jetstar Japan has a flight leaving at 0730 to tight to connect with, however 15 minutes later and it would get all the Qantas traffic to Sapporo. The cheapest JAL flight around 26,500 yen Jetstar 15,000 yen. Brilliant.
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Dragon man, my first thought is, if I am a high yield Qantas passanger, coming off F or J Service, why the hell would I want to get on jokestar? I would prefer to fly Qantas, with perhaps 3 or 4 flights a day, that lets me connect with a JAL service.
HFX,
As Confucious the wise old Capt from China Southern once said...."Give a small man power and he will show you exactly how small he is." Just about sums Joyce up, don't you think!!!
McHale.
As Confucious the wise old Capt from China Southern once said...."Give a small man power and he will show you exactly how small he is." Just about sums Joyce up, don't you think!!!
McHale.
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Korean now gives pretty much best connections to Japan now, especially from somewhere like Brisbane. Up to Seoul and they fly to about a dozen or more cities in Japan. Its quite common to be about 12-13 hours total from departing Brissy to arriving in your destination in Japan, the quickest and easiest way.
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Just to show how little thought goes into things at Qantas and why Cathay gets lots of Australian traffic to Sapporo. The QF 21 arrives in Narita at 0610. To connect to Sapporo on the Qantas website you get JAL at 1020 a 4 hour transit. There part owned partner Jetstar Japan has a flight leaving at 0730 to tight to connect with, however 15 minutes later and it would get all the Qantas traffic to Sapporo. The cheapest JAL flight around 26,500 yen Jetstar 15,000 yen. Brilliant.
Obviously AJ does not do this himself, but is it all done inside Qantas or is it outsourced?
Are Jetstar services lined up at all with Qantas ones?
Seems to be a bit of a mess.
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Yep
He impressed the other two on the panel,
Me well a degree is not the be all and end all but the bean counters were moving in on aviation, yield mgmt was starting and we were short of bean counters but
Jays us he was a clever kid , might yet prove to be the real deal?
Me well a degree is not the be all and end all but the bean counters were moving in on aviation, yield mgmt was starting and we were short of bean counters but
Jays us he was a clever kid , might yet prove to be the real deal?
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Irish idiots
Yes we suffer being idiots but we try and do our bit , worked for eight airlines and never came across an Australian so cannot comment
On their expertise even mr h from ey says he is one of us, ! Still I shall look into buying shares in QF , thanks for the tip
On their expertise even mr h from ey says he is one of us, ! Still I shall look into buying shares in QF , thanks for the tip
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Yes we suffer being idiots but we try and do our bit , worked for eight airlines and never came across an Australian so cannot comment
PLEASE do NOT judge all Aussies by that outburst, and please accept an apology from all the rest of us here.
Dear Hangar6
Although I don't have a mandate, on behalf if all decent and fair-minded Australians, may I extend an apology to you for the vicious and unwarranted remarks here about the Irish? Many of us in Oz have Irish roots and, like the Irish, extend the hand of friendship to all. Happy New Year.
Although I don't have a mandate, on behalf if all decent and fair-minded Australians, may I extend an apology to you for the vicious and unwarranted remarks here about the Irish? Many of us in Oz have Irish roots and, like the Irish, extend the hand of friendship to all. Happy New Year.
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A good robust chat
Thanks folks but we are used to it over here , fond memories of all those QF b747 being maintained by us thick paddies in Dublin, best flight I ever had was Dublin Sydney on an EI B747 via LHR for the Aussie Olympics as ye were short on capacity , lots of my mates in QF even now. QF is an icon just hope it works out , too good to be cast aside for sure.
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That photo should be used to demonstrate the state of the company...what are these guys doing with shareholders $$$$$$ beyond leaving planes in storage and on the ground.
Powerful message.
Powerful message.
There is a similar photo taken at Narita with four A320s parked and long term covers on floating around. How many in total are sitting around the world waiting to work?