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ANZ just announced their intention is to use the 787-9 for high yield Asian destinations from NZ. They seem to have this bizzare theory that their target market wish to pay full fares to travel on state of the art aircraft with state of the art inflight entertainment etc etc. What are they thinking? Utilizing a legacy airline/ reputation to grow their business. Don't they know/ listen/ follow Alan Joyce...? The Kiwis need to start up a LCC, several of them, donate the new aircraft and cut the "mainline" business to ensure the future for all..
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And you can't get a seat for love or money on EK out of Australia at the moment, premium cabins are full ( as well as Y), but I guess most Aussies prefer Bogan Class, according to AJ.
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Aussies might prefer bogan class. It appears, however, that the Japanese do not. Anyone got a spare 100 mill sitting around...again? I count about 15 heads on this early morning Jet* Japan service.
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Especially when they base themselves in Narita! That's like basing an Airline in Toowoomba and expecting people from Brisbane to make there way there to get a flight to Sydney for a few bucks cheaper airfare! Lunacy in the extreme, there will be another injection shortly, Jet* Japan (QF?) are losing cash hand over fist at the moment!
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China's most successful LCC Spring Air has received approval for its Japanese subsidiary.
Launching May 2014.
Best of luck Al.
Spring Airlines prepares to launch carrier in Japan | DELETE content from ATWOnline
Launching May 2014.
Best of luck Al.
Spring Airlines prepares to launch carrier in Japan | DELETE content from ATWOnline
What is also deeply troubling is that at least five of JQ Japan's eighteen A320's are sitting idle at Narita, due lack of crew. Engine covers on, going nowhere. What are the approx lease costs per month for an A320, anyone? Who is paying that?
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Latest news, this morning, mentioning Alan, seems he is still NOT happy.
Air New Zealand will target Asian routes with the Boeing 787-9, a stretched version of the "Dreamliner", as it looks to benefit from a boom in the number of tourists taking holidays in the country.
"The way we have configured this aircraft works better for the leisure traveller we have coming from the Asian markets," Air NZ chief executive Christopher Luxon said on Sunday. "We'll end up with a widebody fleet of 25 aircraft. We will have 15 777s and 10 Dreamliner-9s. That will enable us to access more of the markets in the Pacific Rim. We will point [the 787-9] more into the Asian markets and continue with the 777s into the North American markets."
Air NZ, the largest shareholder of Virgin Australia Holdings, is Boeing's launch customer for the 787-9 and has chosen a configuration of 302 seats, including 18 in business class, 21 in premium economy and 263 in economy class.
The airline is due to receive its first plane in July after the manufacturer completes a testing program that includes hot weather tests in Alice Springs this week.
Auckland to Perth will serve as the first commercial route from October 15, followed by Auckland-Shanghai and Auckland-Tokyo as it takes delivery of three planes by the end of the year. But before launching the Perth route, Air NZ will also use the aircraft on some flights from Auckland to Sydney as it integrates the 787-9 into its fleet.
Jetstar last year took delivery of its first 787-8, making it the only Australasian airline to fly the Dreamliner to date.
Qantas has options on up to 50 787-9s but chief executive Alan Joyce has said they will be exercised only if its loss-making international business returns to profitability.
He has highlighted the potential for the plane to fly direct between Sydney and Dallas, which is at the upper end of its range. Qantas currently uses a 747 for that flight and stops in Brisbane on the return.
Mr Luxon said Air NZ had considered using the aircraft for long-haul flights like Auckland-Chicago and Auckland-Mumbai but decided it would require too much of a sacrifice of passengers or cargo for weight reasons to make those routes work.
"As the aircraft has been designed operationally it is very difficult for it to do those sorts of distances," he said.
Boeing 787-9 technical pilot Daniel Boorman said the 787-9 has a slightly longer range than the 787-8 despite the added weight from the additional length due to the engines and aero*dynamics, although the fuel capacity is nearly the same.
A test aircraft, which will eventually be delivered to Air NZ, landed in Auckland on Saturday evening following a 13 hour, 49 minute flight from Seattle. The manufacturer is hoping the temperature in Alice Springs remains above 38 degrees to allow for specific hot weather tests.
Boeing 787-9 test operations manager Ryan Smith said the aircraft would be left in the sun during the day and then flown for an hour or two in the evening to test its performance in the heat. Other features, such as it automatic landing system, will also be tested in Australia.
Air NZ chief pilot David Morgan said his airline would move pilots currently flying its 767s and 777s over to the 787-9. A 787-8 simulator was delivered to Auckland last month and will be updated with new software once Boeing completes its tests on the 787-9.
"The way we have configured this aircraft works better for the leisure traveller we have coming from the Asian markets," Air NZ chief executive Christopher Luxon said on Sunday. "We'll end up with a widebody fleet of 25 aircraft. We will have 15 777s and 10 Dreamliner-9s. That will enable us to access more of the markets in the Pacific Rim. We will point [the 787-9] more into the Asian markets and continue with the 777s into the North American markets."
Air NZ, the largest shareholder of Virgin Australia Holdings, is Boeing's launch customer for the 787-9 and has chosen a configuration of 302 seats, including 18 in business class, 21 in premium economy and 263 in economy class.
The airline is due to receive its first plane in July after the manufacturer completes a testing program that includes hot weather tests in Alice Springs this week.
Auckland to Perth will serve as the first commercial route from October 15, followed by Auckland-Shanghai and Auckland-Tokyo as it takes delivery of three planes by the end of the year. But before launching the Perth route, Air NZ will also use the aircraft on some flights from Auckland to Sydney as it integrates the 787-9 into its fleet.
Jetstar last year took delivery of its first 787-8, making it the only Australasian airline to fly the Dreamliner to date.
Qantas has options on up to 50 787-9s but chief executive Alan Joyce has said they will be exercised only if its loss-making international business returns to profitability.
He has highlighted the potential for the plane to fly direct between Sydney and Dallas, which is at the upper end of its range. Qantas currently uses a 747 for that flight and stops in Brisbane on the return.
Mr Luxon said Air NZ had considered using the aircraft for long-haul flights like Auckland-Chicago and Auckland-Mumbai but decided it would require too much of a sacrifice of passengers or cargo for weight reasons to make those routes work.
"As the aircraft has been designed operationally it is very difficult for it to do those sorts of distances," he said.
Boeing 787-9 technical pilot Daniel Boorman said the 787-9 has a slightly longer range than the 787-8 despite the added weight from the additional length due to the engines and aero*dynamics, although the fuel capacity is nearly the same.
A test aircraft, which will eventually be delivered to Air NZ, landed in Auckland on Saturday evening following a 13 hour, 49 minute flight from Seattle. The manufacturer is hoping the temperature in Alice Springs remains above 38 degrees to allow for specific hot weather tests.
Boeing 787-9 test operations manager Ryan Smith said the aircraft would be left in the sun during the day and then flown for an hour or two in the evening to test its performance in the heat. Other features, such as it automatic landing system, will also be tested in Australia.
Air NZ chief pilot David Morgan said his airline would move pilots currently flying its 767s and 777s over to the 787-9. A 787-8 simulator was delivered to Auckland last month and will be updated with new software once Boeing completes its tests on the 787-9.
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For those who don't believe the hype. Remember Jetstar Oz has been making money since day 1.
I'm sure Jetstar Japan is making money as well, even with a brand new fleet sitting idle on the Tarmac.
Jetstar HK would surely be making money as well, even though it hasn't flown yet.
You just have to work out how it's making money & where the money is going.
Hint: leasing companies are making heaps of money & they are not even getting cycles on the airframes.
Unfortunately I think Qantas might be paying the leasing companies or indeed owning the brand new airframes & not receiving any payments.
I'm sure Jetstar Japan is making money as well, even with a brand new fleet sitting idle on the Tarmac.
Jetstar HK would surely be making money as well, even though it hasn't flown yet.
You just have to work out how it's making money & where the money is going.
Hint: leasing companies are making heaps of money & they are not even getting cycles on the airframes.
Unfortunately I think Qantas might be paying the leasing companies or indeed owning the brand new airframes & not receiving any payments.
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AJ got em parked in Bordeaux as well.
This one photographed 14.12.13. Rego JA19jj / F-WWDS destined for Jetstar Japan.
Aircraft JA19JJ (2013 Airbus A320-232(WL) C/N 5877) Photo by Jean Goubet-FRENCHSKY (Photo ID: AC949703)
This one photographed 14.12.13. Rego JA19jj / F-WWDS destined for Jetstar Japan.
Aircraft JA19JJ (2013 Airbus A320-232(WL) C/N 5877) Photo by Jean Goubet-FRENCHSKY (Photo ID: AC949703)
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Just been searching the Internet out of interest for this particular aircraft.
Interesting I thought anyway, Jetstar Japan have apparently 18 such aircraft, ALL in service, NONE stored anywhere, yet this one and one other too are listed as ON ORDER.
It would seem like the one in the photo, even if it has not been delivered to Jetstar Japan it is certainly STORED by and for someone.
Interesting I thought anyway, Jetstar Japan have apparently 18 such aircraft, ALL in service, NONE stored anywhere, yet this one and one other too are listed as ON ORDER.
It would seem like the one in the photo, even if it has not been delivered to Jetstar Japan it is certainly STORED by and for someone.
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You could be correct. This is from another website in respect of VKB
Date Flight No From TO
12/12/2013 JQ7878 Paine Field Honolulu Melbourne VH-VKB B787-8
31/12/2013 JQ7993 Melbourne Cairns VH-VKB B787-8
You could be correct. This is from another website in respect of VKB
Date Flight No From TO
12/12/2013 JQ7878 Paine Field Honolulu Melbourne VH-VKB B787-8
31/12/2013 JQ7993 Melbourne Cairns VH-VKB B787-8
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Aircraft F-WXAB (2013 Airbus A320-232(WL) C/N 5685) Photo by Shunn311 (Photo ID: AC953571)
The following are A320 orders for JQ HKG.
B-KJC, B-KJE, B-KJD, B-KJF & B-KJB.
Even though some are listed as orders. They have been photographed in JQ livery in Tolouse.
JA19JJ Destined for JQ Japan is the one parked in Bordeaux.
The following are A320 orders for JQ HKG.
B-KJC, B-KJE, B-KJD, B-KJF & B-KJB.
Even though some are listed as orders. They have been photographed in JQ livery in Tolouse.
JA19JJ Destined for JQ Japan is the one parked in Bordeaux.
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