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It _is_ a bit of a shame lounges are probably the least important part of running an airline
Maybe they can put a disco ball in them and BGA can dress up and do a rendition of John Travolta's Saturday night fever to keep the punters entertained while they Wait for there flights with every other carrier except Qantas.
Or maybe lounges and Bar's are the new direction for the company, if muffins are the backbone of the profits for Jetstar then a couple of shots of Bundy and ice will send main lines profits sky high!
Or maybe BGA should just P¥$s off so we can get on with actually running an airline instead of being the freak show that we have become.
Nothing would surprise me anymore. Like Adolf in the Fuhrer bunker boasting about how good his communications are now the Russian tanks are in Berlin because he can shout at his generals rather than relying on cables.
Another piece of news straight off the CNN presses is SIN has been announced worlds greatest airport -second year running.
It's a small point, but aside from wanting to alienate every ticket buyer in Sydney's Eastern Suburbs and handing our best customers to EK, what single positive has Dubai provided Qantas?
I really do think they thought running Qantas was a matter of adding a bit of polish to the 1st class experience and that was all that was required. Like railways - the tracks will always be there, so what can go wrong?
A mate of mine was chatting to a VERY senior QF manager/idiot very recently at a non-work function. My mate did not divulge he flew, but lamented the fact he could no longer go QF on his skiing trip with his family each year (FRA). The answer :
'We fly everywhere, just go through Dubai. And the best part is Qantas gets money for all those tickets and we don't have to worry about paying for crews, maintenance or aircraft.'
They do not know what an airline actually is, let alone how to run one. I don't think they, even now, have a proper understanding of the complexities or technical aspects of the process, but deliberately limit themselves to the instant praise from idiot semi journalists and wanna be superstars by focussing these pointless lounges, parties and corporate box events. Yes they get good press and nice famous people saying nice things about them, but that is the limit of it.
Meanwhile, every other airline out there with anything approaching normal management probably have little (must be very small) shrines built to the great BGA who must surely be seen by them as the God who keeps on giving - he's just giving to all of Qf's competitors.
You could not wish for a nicer competitor than BGA! At the same time he's giving away decades of business, he is also stripping the place of all the important skill sets (that are left) which are inevitably also moving to competitors - with a determination to destroy the moron who just didn't get what it was they were good at.
And this idiot has the support of the board and the idiot yes men/women he has employed.
It is a perfect storm of lunacy, a gigantic ship of fools.
Another piece of news straight off the CNN presses is SIN has been announced worlds greatest airport -second year running.
It's a small point, but aside from wanting to alienate every ticket buyer in Sydney's Eastern Suburbs and handing our best customers to EK, what single positive has Dubai provided Qantas?
I really do think they thought running Qantas was a matter of adding a bit of polish to the 1st class experience and that was all that was required. Like railways - the tracks will always be there, so what can go wrong?
A mate of mine was chatting to a VERY senior QF manager/idiot very recently at a non-work function. My mate did not divulge he flew, but lamented the fact he could no longer go QF on his skiing trip with his family each year (FRA). The answer :
'We fly everywhere, just go through Dubai. And the best part is Qantas gets money for all those tickets and we don't have to worry about paying for crews, maintenance or aircraft.'
They do not know what an airline actually is, let alone how to run one. I don't think they, even now, have a proper understanding of the complexities or technical aspects of the process, but deliberately limit themselves to the instant praise from idiot semi journalists and wanna be superstars by focussing these pointless lounges, parties and corporate box events. Yes they get good press and nice famous people saying nice things about them, but that is the limit of it.
Meanwhile, every other airline out there with anything approaching normal management probably have little (must be very small) shrines built to the great BGA who must surely be seen by them as the God who keeps on giving - he's just giving to all of Qf's competitors.
You could not wish for a nicer competitor than BGA! At the same time he's giving away decades of business, he is also stripping the place of all the important skill sets (that are left) which are inevitably also moving to competitors - with a determination to destroy the moron who just didn't get what it was they were good at.
And this idiot has the support of the board and the idiot yes men/women he has employed.
It is a perfect storm of lunacy, a gigantic ship of fools.
And the best part is Qantas gets money for all those tickets and we don't have to worry about paying for crews, maintenance or aircraft
Precisely.
What is it they are trying to achieve? They don't know!
Being a simple man, I would have thought having 'Qantas' appear on their bank statements as often as it does, would at least provide a hint as to what they should be doing.
If they want to be a travel agent, go and work for one, DONT RUIN OUR ICON!!!!
What is it they think is the 'core business'????
They mention that all the time, but they don't know what it is!!!!!!!!!!
What is it they are trying to achieve? They don't know!
Being a simple man, I would have thought having 'Qantas' appear on their bank statements as often as it does, would at least provide a hint as to what they should be doing.
If they want to be a travel agent, go and work for one, DONT RUIN OUR ICON!!!!
What is it they think is the 'core business'????
They mention that all the time, but they don't know what it is!!!!!!!!!!
Elaine does do good lounges. I actually think that may be where their whole 'management strategy' is based
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Qantas has never been an icon & it hasn't been ours since it was floated & 49% became foreign owned.
49% foreign does not make it even Australian. You can't be 1/2 pregnant.
What's the largest Australian airline ?
Can't even think of one with jets.
Maybe Jetgo ? I think it might be 100% OZ owned.
49% foreign does not make it even Australian. You can't be 1/2 pregnant.
What's the largest Australian airline ?
Can't even think of one with jets.
Maybe Jetgo ? I think it might be 100% OZ owned.
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Call to probe health of Qantas
A SENATE inquiry into Qantas has said a repeal of the Qantas Sale Act to allow more foreign ownership was an inadequate solution for the airline and has called for an “urgent” review of the national aviation sector.
A Senate committee says Qantas, led by chief executive Alan Joyce, has ‘no clear and consistent policy in terms of its future direction’ The rural, regional and transport affairs references committee, dominated by ALP members, said the government should first determine the “current financial situation” of Qantas beyond public reports before deciding on the type of parliamentary action required to help the airline.
“The ‘Qantas problem’ cannot be fixed with a band-aid solution such as the Qantas Sale Amendment Bill 2014 proposed by the government or the debt guarantee proposed by the opposition,” the committee reported.
It called for a review of the “broader aviation sector in Australia” and the “challenges faced by Australian Airlines on a geographical and regulatory basis”.
“(We recommend) that the government take no further action on legislative or other reform and provide no assistance or guarantee to Qantas until an independent audit of the company has been completed,” the committee wrote.
“(That audit) should also seek to establish the level of any costshifting between Jetstar and Qantas.”
The transport unions — in claims pushed by committee member and independent senator Nick Xenophon — allege Qantas has shifted some of the costs of its Jetstar International expansion on to Qantas International operations.
The unions argue the Jetstar foray into Asia, a key aspect of Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce’s tenure, has been a disaster and the failures are being masked to some degree by “cost sharing”.
Qantas has repeatedly and strenuously defined those claims.
The committee called for the Air Navigation Act 1920 to be amended to “address the apparent loophole that allows the foreign investment cap to be obviated” as was “demonstrated by the restructure of Virgin Australia”.
The government “as a matter of urgency” should consult with industry and other relevant bodies to formulate terms of reference for a “comprehensive review of Australia’s aviation sector”, the committee said.
That review should include examination of the Open Skies policy and its impact on operators and consumers and should be undertaken by the productivity commission, the committee said.
It criticised Qantas as having “no clear and consistent policy in terms of its future direction” or at least not one “they are willing to discuss in the public sphere”.
“Legislative changes made by the government or other measures, including a debt guarantee, may not have the intended impact if there is not the ability or the will within Qantas to take advantage of them”.
The committee said Qantas had not stated a “strong position: on what specific changes it needed to recover, “other than insisting it is operating on an ‘unlevel playing-field’ compared to Virgin Australia”.
“It would perhaps be more useful and inspire greater confidence on the part of employees and consumers if Qantas were to have a clear strategic plan and a ‘wish list’ of actions for the government. This would demonstrate an engagement on the part of Qantas and assist the parliament in ensuring any action taken has the desired outcome.”
Committee member and Greens senator Lee Rhiannon accused the ALP of siding with Qantas via the committee.
“This inquiry was set up to investigate options available to the government to financially assist Qantas in the interests of protecting jobs and the national carrier,” Ms Rhiannon said.
“It’s clear Labor has caved to the pressure from Alan Joyce and senior Qantas management.
“They are willing to sell off the heart and lungs of the airline while trying to dud us into believing they want an Australian owned Qantas,” she said.
Call to probe health of Qantas
A SENATE inquiry into Qantas has said a repeal of the Qantas Sale Act to allow more foreign ownership was an inadequate solution for the airline and has called for an “urgent” review of the national aviation sector.
A Senate committee says Qantas, led by chief executive Alan Joyce, has ‘no clear and consistent policy in terms of its future direction’ The rural, regional and transport affairs references committee, dominated by ALP members, said the government should first determine the “current financial situation” of Qantas beyond public reports before deciding on the type of parliamentary action required to help the airline.
“The ‘Qantas problem’ cannot be fixed with a band-aid solution such as the Qantas Sale Amendment Bill 2014 proposed by the government or the debt guarantee proposed by the opposition,” the committee reported.
It called for a review of the “broader aviation sector in Australia” and the “challenges faced by Australian Airlines on a geographical and regulatory basis”.
“(We recommend) that the government take no further action on legislative or other reform and provide no assistance or guarantee to Qantas until an independent audit of the company has been completed,” the committee wrote.
“(That audit) should also seek to establish the level of any costshifting between Jetstar and Qantas.”
The transport unions — in claims pushed by committee member and independent senator Nick Xenophon — allege Qantas has shifted some of the costs of its Jetstar International expansion on to Qantas International operations.
The unions argue the Jetstar foray into Asia, a key aspect of Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce’s tenure, has been a disaster and the failures are being masked to some degree by “cost sharing”.
Qantas has repeatedly and strenuously defined those claims.
The committee called for the Air Navigation Act 1920 to be amended to “address the apparent loophole that allows the foreign investment cap to be obviated” as was “demonstrated by the restructure of Virgin Australia”.
The government “as a matter of urgency” should consult with industry and other relevant bodies to formulate terms of reference for a “comprehensive review of Australia’s aviation sector”, the committee said.
That review should include examination of the Open Skies policy and its impact on operators and consumers and should be undertaken by the productivity commission, the committee said.
It criticised Qantas as having “no clear and consistent policy in terms of its future direction” or at least not one “they are willing to discuss in the public sphere”.
“Legislative changes made by the government or other measures, including a debt guarantee, may not have the intended impact if there is not the ability or the will within Qantas to take advantage of them”.
The committee said Qantas had not stated a “strong position: on what specific changes it needed to recover, “other than insisting it is operating on an ‘unlevel playing-field’ compared to Virgin Australia”.
“It would perhaps be more useful and inspire greater confidence on the part of employees and consumers if Qantas were to have a clear strategic plan and a ‘wish list’ of actions for the government. This would demonstrate an engagement on the part of Qantas and assist the parliament in ensuring any action taken has the desired outcome.”
Committee member and Greens senator Lee Rhiannon accused the ALP of siding with Qantas via the committee.
“This inquiry was set up to investigate options available to the government to financially assist Qantas in the interests of protecting jobs and the national carrier,” Ms Rhiannon said.
“It’s clear Labor has caved to the pressure from Alan Joyce and senior Qantas management.
“They are willing to sell off the heart and lungs of the airline while trying to dud us into believing they want an Australian owned Qantas,” she said.
Apparently there was a going away party on Wednesday for certain people who have been made redundant, catered for by QANTAS to be sure.
I'll try again,
There was a farewell party on Wednesday night at the new QANTAS Campus for a select number of management types who had been made redundant, it was put on by QANTAS, paid by QANTAS.
Questions AJ,
(i) who approved this expense?
(ii) will the same be offered to those of 'less importance'?
I'll try again,
There was a farewell party on Wednesday night at the new QANTAS Campus for a select number of management types who had been made redundant, it was put on by QANTAS, paid by QANTAS.
Questions AJ,
(i) who approved this expense?
(ii) will the same be offered to those of 'less importance'?
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QF is certainly copping some flak in the newspapers.
Not sure the saying any publicity is good publicity holds true
for this topic.
Not sure the saying any publicity is good publicity holds true
for this topic.
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The standard has been set: adapt or die
Readers interested in what's install for Qantas will find the following article in today’s Australian somewhat sobering.
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In the continued absence of Government financial assistance, and/or investment facilitated by change to majority foreign ownership, have to reluctantly agree with the author that Qantas will have to restructure its business if it wishes to ‘still be around in five years’.
For better or worse, Australia has the law is has and don’t expect this is going to change anytime soon.
If the forces of politics and business can’t forge a compromise compact acceptable to the unions, managements’ saving Qantas using mutually agreed restructuring is going to require a miraculous turnaround on a scale not yet witnessed down under.
Would like to think there is something out here that can significantly lessen what’s already unfolding, but thus far, it seems no one, ‘with the where with all to change things’, even wants to publically admit – that the elephant’s already stomping around.
Full marks to BCG for spelling it out.
Readers interested in what's install for Qantas will find the following article in today’s Australian somewhat sobering.
Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
In the continued absence of Government financial assistance, and/or investment facilitated by change to majority foreign ownership, have to reluctantly agree with the author that Qantas will have to restructure its business if it wishes to ‘still be around in five years’.
For better or worse, Australia has the law is has and don’t expect this is going to change anytime soon.
If the forces of politics and business can’t forge a compromise compact acceptable to the unions, managements’ saving Qantas using mutually agreed restructuring is going to require a miraculous turnaround on a scale not yet witnessed down under.
Would like to think there is something out here that can significantly lessen what’s already unfolding, but thus far, it seems no one, ‘with the where with all to change things’, even wants to publically admit – that the elephant’s already stomping around.
Full marks to BCG for spelling it out.
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why is it easier for a New Zealand airline to fly within OZ than an OZ airline ?
just found out, it's much easier for a New Zealand airline to start flying in OZ (under NZ CAA rules) than an Australian airline to fly domestically in OZ.
This is just crazy !!!
Bigger implications ... could therefore Qantas Jetconnect (New Zealand) start flying domestically in Australia, without any hassles ?
Hear the Jetconnect crews get much lower pay the QF mainline. Is that correct ?
Currency difference isn't much anymore.
Perhaps this is the master plan. All QF domestic crews to be kiwis employed on much lower salaries & perks ?
This is just crazy !!!
Bigger implications ... could therefore Qantas Jetconnect (New Zealand) start flying domestically in Australia, without any hassles ?
Hear the Jetconnect crews get much lower pay the QF mainline. Is that correct ?
Currency difference isn't much anymore.
Perhaps this is the master plan. All QF domestic crews to be kiwis employed on much lower salaries & perks ?
This would be dismissed as the rant of an incensed fool (I am incensed if you hadn't noticed) but I would not trust the 'Ross Love's' of the world to run a local hairdresser. They do not have any skills in business.
These types of characters have never paid their own staff to create anything, they take minority positions in funds or create investment strategies for others to follow, but they NEVER risk their own money in anything bigger than (for them) a small mortgage.
They do NOT understand the nuts and bolts of business. Therefore, BGA and her cohorts are perfectly happy in each others incompetent company. They assume BGA knows what she's doing - and why wouldn't they? The talk is talked and he has the support of the board and everyone at Qf (except a few recalcitrant unions) and the Lounges look good, the people they meet are all happy.
A year or so ago I met one of Qf's banker looking for cash for a deal I was doing. The banker was an idiot who didn't understand the basics, but was very happy to boast about meeting BGA afterwards. Naturally I was all ears. This 'major' Aussie bank was about to loan BGA more millions and this guy was very chuffed about it. Knowing first hand what he didn't know about businesses and knowing what I knew about Qantas was enlightening to say the least. They are unknowing idiots feeding off each other.
Its a f*(&%^#&ing joke!!!
These types of characters have never paid their own staff to create anything, they take minority positions in funds or create investment strategies for others to follow, but they NEVER risk their own money in anything bigger than (for them) a small mortgage.
They do NOT understand the nuts and bolts of business. Therefore, BGA and her cohorts are perfectly happy in each others incompetent company. They assume BGA knows what she's doing - and why wouldn't they? The talk is talked and he has the support of the board and everyone at Qf (except a few recalcitrant unions) and the Lounges look good, the people they meet are all happy.
A year or so ago I met one of Qf's banker looking for cash for a deal I was doing. The banker was an idiot who didn't understand the basics, but was very happy to boast about meeting BGA afterwards. Naturally I was all ears. This 'major' Aussie bank was about to loan BGA more millions and this guy was very chuffed about it. Knowing first hand what he didn't know about businesses and knowing what I knew about Qantas was enlightening to say the least. They are unknowing idiots feeding off each other.
Its a f*(&%^#&ing joke!!!
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the core business
Hey V-Jet,
I think Elaine told one of the Senate Inquiries that the core business is domestic... 
What is it they think is the 'core business'????
Interesting.... I must have missed that answer.
IF they believe that, then are they planning on writing off/flogging everything else to support it? Possible.... I don't agree AT ALL, but at least it is a strategy. Why stop at 5,000 then. Why not 15,000? Surely if they had that (or anything else) as a plan they would be broadcasting it, not just trickling it out as the previous 5y plan fails and they need new answers?
Give this mob an international brand of unequaled provenance and they want to turn it back into what it was in the 1920's.
Genius.
IF they believe that, then are they planning on writing off/flogging everything else to support it? Possible.... I don't agree AT ALL, but at least it is a strategy. Why stop at 5,000 then. Why not 15,000? Surely if they had that (or anything else) as a plan they would be broadcasting it, not just trickling it out as the previous 5y plan fails and they need new answers?
Give this mob an international brand of unequaled provenance and they want to turn it back into what it was in the 1920's.
Genius.
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A Senate committee says Qantas, led by chief executive Alan Joyce, has ‘no clear and consistent policy in terms of its future direction’ The rural, regional and transport affairs references committee, dominated by ALP members, said the government should first determine the “current financial situation” of Qantas beyond public reports before deciding on the type of parliamentary action required to help the airline.
The same articles mention the term the next "growth phase" for Jetstar.
What's the next growth phase?
I thought the Qantas Group was in a financially crippled position with a lack of foreign investment capital.
I reckon the staff, travelling public and the pollies are all being fooled.
It's business as usual, contract mainline operations & expand the jetstar franchises.
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Hmmm! Sorry to be a messenger bearing sad news, but don’t think the plan is to:
Reading between the lines of what has been said during the recent Senate Inquiries and what is written by BCG's GM in today’s Australian, suggests to me that ‘The Plan’ is something along the lines of:
• Cost reductions to make Qantas domestic, (including QantasLink), profitable,
• Growing Jetstar domestically and internationally, and
• Using frequent flyer loyalty and joint service agreements to make available to the travelling public much of what Qantas International presently does.
But, as Ross Love points out (in no particular order) in his article, 'this won’t be easy.... it is about negotiating the future of the business, and something has got to give..... the required re¬structuring that will offer Qantas a chance to survive is not about negotiating the balance of returns to labour versus capital..... like it or not, employees and their representatives are in the same business as their management teams.]
He also states 'the transition can be negotiated with good will, to give some respect and time to those workers who would need to accept new ¬arrangements and conditions, or make other arrangements through proper redundancies.'
Please don’t shoot this tea leaf reading clairvoyant. Much better to make your views known to those who can influence the outcome, your support for a negotiated settlement.
In the immortal words of John Lennon - Give Peace a Chance.
turn it back into what it was in the 1920's
• Cost reductions to make Qantas domestic, (including QantasLink), profitable,
• Growing Jetstar domestically and internationally, and
• Using frequent flyer loyalty and joint service agreements to make available to the travelling public much of what Qantas International presently does.
But, as Ross Love points out (in no particular order) in his article, 'this won’t be easy.... it is about negotiating the future of the business, and something has got to give..... the required re¬structuring that will offer Qantas a chance to survive is not about negotiating the balance of returns to labour versus capital..... like it or not, employees and their representatives are in the same business as their management teams.]
He also states 'the transition can be negotiated with good will, to give some respect and time to those workers who would need to accept new ¬arrangements and conditions, or make other arrangements through proper redundancies.'
Please don’t shoot this tea leaf reading clairvoyant. Much better to make your views known to those who can influence the outcome, your support for a negotiated settlement.
In the immortal words of John Lennon - Give Peace a Chance.
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senate committee - what a joke ?
it was dominated by Labor Union types, who wouldn't know 1st thing about business.
Besides Joyce isn't going to tell some stupid pollies his intentions, is he.
Except for one obvious exception, no one on Labor/Green side of politics, could organise a root in a brothel.
Besides Joyce isn't going to tell some stupid pollies his intentions, is he.
Except for one obvious exception, no one on Labor/Green side of politics, could organise a root in a brothel.
it is about negotiating the future of the business, and something has got to give
Just like WWI, Joyce's brilliant strategy is building more trenches and using more men. And its proven to be just as successful.
Unfortunately while he is throwing good men at the problem of not having enough trenches, those filthy Hun swine (ANZ/Cathay/BA etc etc etc) have gone off and developed tanks, heavy bombers, cruise missiles and satellites.
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It's pretty obvious now they are deliberately sending the company down the tube , it's the only way for a full restructure , look forward to applying for a new job in either Australian Airlines(domestic) or Qantas International
Hope the pay more than Jetstar.
If lucky the new owners will buy it for $1.
Hope the pay more than Jetstar.
If lucky the new owners will buy it for $1.
I believe that ALL facets of QF, including QLink and Cobham (both already very lean operations) are being instructed to tighten their belts.
Can anybody out there detail what the nature of the cost cutting is and if they are likely to have any flow-on effects to the safety bottom line too? And are CASA showing any interest to ensure the continued safe operation of the group as a whole?
It is my experience that contractors and subsidiaries receive the greatest amount of pressure to reign in costs under pain of non-renewal of the contract.
Can anybody out there detail what the nature of the cost cutting is and if they are likely to have any flow-on effects to the safety bottom line too? And are CASA showing any interest to ensure the continued safe operation of the group as a whole?
It is my experience that contractors and subsidiaries receive the greatest amount of pressure to reign in costs under pain of non-renewal of the contract.