5th September QF Announcement
Interesting to note on the qantasandemirates.com website that B777's are refered to as "state of the art" airliners and not old technology airplanes that Mr Joyce has previously stated. 
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Ranga: So.........after moaning like a whiny little 4 foot tall bitch about the un-fair advantage Emirates has, subsidised fuel blah, blah, blah now the sun shines out their arse?
Funniest and most accurate post so far. Exactly!
Qantas management didn't have to begin a new enterprise, they were GIVEN a full airline, a sound network, a simple and efficient fleet structure, fully trained employees and a world-class brand.
In the space of 15 years these Boston School bastions of free enterprise cocked it up monumentally. Plain stuffed.
Then they bitched and moaned about the "unfair advantage" other airlines have (hypocrisy 101) when they had it in the first place!
And now this!
What a bunch of two-faced, whiney, self-serving numskulls. If it didn't have so many implications for those of us employed in the industry (unable to leave to sell face cream etc) it would be very funny but its just a damn disgrace.
Funniest and most accurate post so far. Exactly!
Qantas management didn't have to begin a new enterprise, they were GIVEN a full airline, a sound network, a simple and efficient fleet structure, fully trained employees and a world-class brand.
In the space of 15 years these Boston School bastions of free enterprise cocked it up monumentally. Plain stuffed.
Then they bitched and moaned about the "unfair advantage" other airlines have (hypocrisy 101) when they had it in the first place!
And now this!
What a bunch of two-faced, whiney, self-serving numskulls. If it didn't have so many implications for those of us employed in the industry (unable to leave to sell face cream etc) it would be very funny but its just a damn disgrace.
So when does jetstar sort flying to Dubai?
This guy is good
A rushed agreement 4 years late, he should be the PM.
Emirates doesn't want to put any money into Qantas.
Joyce won't answer questions on jobs. I tink it tis a top jay for Qantas....
This guy is good
A rushed agreement 4 years late, he should be the PM.
Emirates doesn't want to put any money into Qantas.
Joyce won't answer questions on jobs. I tink it tis a top jay for Qantas....
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Scabstar wont be going to dubai...
The way i read it, there is an emphasis on growing asia for the BUSINESS traveller. Hopefully that means these increased asian services will be flown by QF metal. And hopefully mainline will get some of its 737's back.
Surely someone smarter than me has a rough estimate on the effect on pilot numbers, given the withdrawal from FRA.
Kremin?
The way i read it, there is an emphasis on growing asia for the BUSINESS traveller. Hopefully that means these increased asian services will be flown by QF metal. And hopefully mainline will get some of its 737's back.
Surely someone smarter than me has a rough estimate on the effect on pilot numbers, given the withdrawal from FRA.
Kremin?
Astroboy, back of the envelope I reckon it's four aircraft required to service Frankfurt daily. With approximately seven crew per aircraft it's a further about 100 pilots surplus to requirements.
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Cheers DA...
I guess some of those folks on LWOP wont be coming back!!
If the numbers are correct and they need to get rid of that many people (which given the age demographic/people approaching retirement etc i dont think they will), how can the company really do it on raw seniority?? The cost would be crippling. Redundancy payouts, plus pretty much 1/2 744, 1/2 380 so's gone, most 330 SO's gone, all Perth 737 FO gone, some MEL 737 FO gone....not to mention retraining to fill any vacancies from RIN/demotions etc.....I really dont see how anyone can think they are protected by the award.
I guess some of those folks on LWOP wont be coming back!!
If the numbers are correct and they need to get rid of that many people (which given the age demographic/people approaching retirement etc i dont think they will), how can the company really do it on raw seniority?? The cost would be crippling. Redundancy payouts, plus pretty much 1/2 744, 1/2 380 so's gone, most 330 SO's gone, all Perth 737 FO gone, some MEL 737 FO gone....not to mention retraining to fill any vacancies from RIN/demotions etc.....I really dont see how anyone can think they are protected by the award.
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It wasn't a deal until 30 minutes before the press conference.
Can you imagine what Joyce was doing just before the signing.?
This tosser would have given away his vitals to save from being embarrassed by announcing there was NO signing.
Can you imagine what Joyce was doing just before the signing.?
This tosser would have given away his vitals to save from being embarrassed by announcing there was NO signing.
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Originally Posted by ranga
So.........after moaning like a whiny little 4 foot tall bitch about the un-fair advantage Emirates has, subsidised fuel blah, blah, blah now the sun shines out their arse?
On the surface I have to say I like what this offers me as a customer. I can get to Dubai via QF 380 and then anywhere in the Emirates network on Emirates standard aircraft.
That's serious competition to the Virgin/SIA offering.
Funny how that sounds.
Qantas is now competitive with Virgin/SIA.
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I have not signed onto Pprune for about 12 months and funnily enough looked into my private messages that I had missed. These messages were largely inregards to Qantas recruitment and the LOI to employ I had. Hmm, a while ago!!
I would have loved to have joined many of you on the A380 or B747. Instead I sit down the back on staff traveland punish a red or two!
Anyway, right now sitting up the front of the q400 isn't so bad, except we are being paid like a bunch of peasants as a reward for bringing in huge profits for this group. It is suggested that it is about 10-20k per sector when our load factor is at 80%. Not bad considering we have 25 of them doing 5-7sectors a day!
QantasLink is still a stepping stone with no prospect at achieving further career development at the moment. Once you tick certain boxes, it is the same thing for most of us. Look for another job – Virgin!
I hope that Emirates can offer some opportunities for those of you that may be affected by this. If they could change their approach and open an Australian based hub with transfers to Emirates for Qantas pilots that would be a huge benefit to all.
In my view, aviation in this country is a very frustrating career! One which we love and wouldn't give away (well that’s not true.. I have seen it at the Link), but a few more opportunities for us Australians would be nice.
Can somebody remind me how many registered container ships are Australian these days? Is it like 5!
Something tells me in this globalised world our uncompetitive tax system in this country will be the catalyst for decline to the airline industry as we know it.
Australia is its own worst enemy on the global stage and as long as our tax system continues to screw companies like Qantas, opportunities to fly for the iconic brand will continue to deteriorate.
Every time I go to Longreach I shed a tear!
I would have loved to have joined many of you on the A380 or B747. Instead I sit down the back on staff traveland punish a red or two!
Anyway, right now sitting up the front of the q400 isn't so bad, except we are being paid like a bunch of peasants as a reward for bringing in huge profits for this group. It is suggested that it is about 10-20k per sector when our load factor is at 80%. Not bad considering we have 25 of them doing 5-7sectors a day!
QantasLink is still a stepping stone with no prospect at achieving further career development at the moment. Once you tick certain boxes, it is the same thing for most of us. Look for another job – Virgin!
I hope that Emirates can offer some opportunities for those of you that may be affected by this. If they could change their approach and open an Australian based hub with transfers to Emirates for Qantas pilots that would be a huge benefit to all.
In my view, aviation in this country is a very frustrating career! One which we love and wouldn't give away (well that’s not true.. I have seen it at the Link), but a few more opportunities for us Australians would be nice.
Can somebody remind me how many registered container ships are Australian these days? Is it like 5!
Something tells me in this globalised world our uncompetitive tax system in this country will be the catalyst for decline to the airline industry as we know it.
Australia is its own worst enemy on the global stage and as long as our tax system continues to screw companies like Qantas, opportunities to fly for the iconic brand will continue to deteriorate.
Every time I go to Longreach I shed a tear!
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On the surface I have to say I like what this offers me as a customer. I can get to Dubai via QF 380 and then anywhere in the Emirates network on Emirates standard aircraft.
I hope that Emirates can offer some opportunitiesfor those of you that may be affected by this. If they could change theirapproach and open an Australian based hub with transfers to Emirates for Qantaspilots that would be a huge benefit to all.
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Originally Posted by oxidant
How is that a plus when you can already do the whole trip with Emirates in more comfort (J & F) for less $ and they pick you up & drop you off at both ends?
EK is getting a huge benefit out of this. Access to 8.6million frequent flyers and their points redeemable in cash to EK!
If there was no benefit to them I couldn't see them doing this out of pure charity for QF.
If there was no benefit to them I couldn't see them doing this out of pure charity for QF.