5th September QF Announcement
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No it doesn't, but when QANTAS International eventually fails, it will be Hickey who takes the fall, not AJ. This was just extra padding for AJ's fall, not that he wanted to turn QANTAS International around and make it more profitable, just to use Hickey as a shield for the bullet.
Does it really require AJ to be there? I mean with Hickey CEO of int now, wouldn't he be the man of the show?
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On the other hand if Hickey can genuinely pull off significant improvement then he leapfrogs the others to become #1 contender to take over the whole lot. He got international to demonstrate his operational capability, do that, improve international's position, improve return on assets etc and he either gets the big job at Qantas or he can write his own ticket elsewhere.
short flights long nights
So I assume..at least for today..all quiet on the eastern front?
Article in Financial Review this morning claims:
- Alliance, or code share announced today with alliance being announced later on
- Frankfurt gone
- JV with BA ended
- Flights to Europe re-routed through Dubai instead of Singapore.
- Alliance, or code share announced today with alliance being announced later on
- Frankfurt gone
- JV with BA ended
- Flights to Europe re-routed through Dubai instead of Singapore.
So it's not my imagination that QF is getting queezier and squeezier!
Whereas, according to Seat Guru, Virgin Australia provides the following in its 800s:
Business Class: 38.0" 19.5"
Economy Class: 31.0 - 33.0" 18.8"
I wonder if QF can eventually break the 30" barrier and take us into the 20s.
Talk about winning hearts and minds ... not!
* Wide seat-back design with a 37 inch seat pitch and 22 inch width between arms in Business and a 17 inch width and 30 inch seat pitch in Economy
Business Class: 38.0" 19.5"
Economy Class: 31.0 - 33.0" 18.8"
I wonder if QF can eventually break the 30" barrier and take us into the 20s.
Talk about winning hearts and minds ... not!
So it's not my imagination that QF is getting queezier and squeezier!
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* Wide seat-back design with a 37 inch seat pitch and 22 inch width between arms in Business and a 17 inch width and 30 inch seat pitch in Economy
Quote:
* Wide seat-back design with a 37 inch seat pitch and 22 inch width between arms in Business and a 17 inch width and 30 inch seat pitch in Economy
I think you'll find the QF seats are slightly thinner and to me, actually appear a bit more roomier.
Also DJ have a config of 8/168. QF is 12/156. DJ has less storage (no fwd coat locker I recall) and I wonder where they manage to fit all the emergency equipment as QF appear to have more equipment storage lockers forward? dog boxes perhaps or the overheads?
With less locker space and 8 more pax, finding a place for all the hand luggage must be an art in itself on a full flight.
Also DJ have a config of 8/168. QF is 12/156. DJ has less storage (no fwd coat locker I recall) and I wonder where they manage to fit all the emergency equipment as QF appear to have more equipment storage lockers forward? dog boxes perhaps or the overheads?
With less locker space and 8 more pax, finding a place for all the hand luggage must be an art in itself on a full flight.
Article in Financial Review this morning claims:
- Alliance, or code share announced today with alliance being announced later on
- Frankfurt gone
- JV with BA ended
- Flights to Europe re-routed through Dubai
instead of Singapore.
- Alliance, or code share announced today with alliance being announced later on
- Frankfurt gone
- JV with BA ended
- Flights to Europe re-routed through Dubai
instead of Singapore.
But thinking about how it could work
QF had the HKG & BKK - LHR slots so would it make sense to take 1 back, say AUS-DXB-LHR and give the other to Emirates and retain the SIN-LHR?
Gives all European travellers a stop in DXB and change to Emirates with no back tracking from LHR. Might mean a MEL & SYD - DXB service with 1 going on to LHR.
Will have 3 LHR services 1 via DXB & 2 via SIN because they'll still want the connections via SIN for JQ Asian services.
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This alliance will cost how many Australians' their jobs? Aussie travellers hate it if Australians in the airline industry lose their jobs. The non-Australian, LCC gimp has created enough pain for Qantas and its staff.
Is that what you meant?
Is that what you meant?
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The equivalent in management speak is:
The jobs are gone in Australia, a deal with Emirates has nothing to do with job losses in Australia. The restructuring processes are independent, however the current restructuring will provide jOb opportunities for Australians in Asia & the Middle East.
The jobs are gone in Australia, a deal with Emirates has nothing to do with job losses in Australia. The restructuring processes are independent, however the current restructuring will provide jOb opportunities for Australians in Asia & the Middle East.
"So when you buy an Italian suit in David Jones you will get points that will count towards wearing that suit in Milan, Barcelona or Venice". - He knows Barcelona isn't in Italy right?
So all flights north are via Dubai now? I take it Qantas frames will be going no further than Dubai?
So all flights north are via Dubai now? I take it Qantas frames will be going no further than Dubai?
Sydney, 06 September 2012
Qantas and Emirates today announced a new global aviation partnership that
will give their customers a seamless Australian and international network, exclusive frequent flyer benefits and
world-class travel experiences.1
Under the agreement signed this morning by Emirates President Tim Clark and Qantas Group CEO Alan
Joyce, Qantas will move its hub for European flights to Dubai and enter an extensive commercial relationship
with Emirates.
The 10-year partnership will go beyond codesharing and includes integrated network collaboration with
coordinated pricing, sales and scheduling as well as a benefit-sharing model. Neither airline will take equity in the other.
Qantas will launch daily A380 services from both Sydney and Melbourne to London via Dubai, meaning that
together Emirates and Qantas will offer 98 weekly services between Australia and Dubai. Qantas will be the
only other airline operating to Terminal 3 and the new purpose-built A380 concourse at Dubai International Airport.
The partnership will give Qantas customers one-stop access to more than 70 Emirates destinations in Europe,
the Middle East and Africa. For Emirates customers it will open up Qantas’ Australian domestic network of
more than 50 destinations and 5,000 flights per week. The carriers will also coordinate on their services
between Australia and New Zealand and services between Australia and South East Asia.
The Emirates and Qantas frequent flyer programs will be aligned, giving customers expanded opportunities to
earn and redeem points. Emirates and Qantas will provide reciprocal access to tier status benefits including end-to-end customer recognition, lounge access, priority check-in and boarding and other exclusive services.
Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce said the partnership would deliver unprecedented benefits to Qantas
customers and mark a decisive step forward in the Group’s strategy.
“Emirates is the ideal partner for Qantas,” Mr Joyce said. “It has a wonderful brand, a modern fleet, an uncompromising approach to quality and it flies to the A-list of international destinations.
“This is the most significant partnership the Qantas Group has ever formed with another airline, moving past
the traditional alliance model to a new level. It will deliver benefits to all parts of the Group.
“As the world’s largest international airline, with a network that perfectly complements our own, Emirates will
help us give our customers across Australia a dramatically expanded range of travel options.
“Together with Emirates, Qantas will provide a unique ‘one stop’ hub service, as well as deeply integrated
frequent flyer and customer benefits.
“The partnership delivers on all four pillars of the Qantas Group’s international strategy: it will see us fly to the
global gateway city of Dubai, provide some of the world’s best travel experiences through both Qantas and
Emirates, improve our network in Asia, and, crucially, help build a strong Qantas International business for the
long term.
“There will be considerable benefits for the broader economy as we collaborate with industry to drive more
inbound trade and tourism.
1 All stated characteristics of the partnership are subject to regulatory approval.
“I very much look forward to working with Tim and everyone at Emirates as we develop this exciting,
transformative partnership.”
“The time was right to develop a long-term partnership with Qantas, the iconic Australian airline,” said Tim Clark, President of Emirates.
“Since our first flights began in 1996, Australia has long been a popular destination for Emirates leisure and
business travellers, making it one of the top three destinations in our network.
“By establishing this partnership we are providing our passengers with additional connectivity in Australia and
the region, the ability to utilise reciprocal frequent flyer benefits and access to premium lounges and travel
experiences.”
The airlines will submit an application for interim authorisation to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) in order to begin commercial planning. Subject to regulatory approval, it is anticipated
that the partnership will commence in April 2013.
Broader Qantas network changes
Qantas will restructure its Asian network to strengthen its focus on services to and within the region.
“We currently have an Asian flying schedule based on travelling via Asia to Europe,” Mr Joyce said. “But our Australian business customers want better access to Asia, and we have been looking to address this for some
time.”
“With European services transiting through Dubai, Qantas’ Asian services will no longer be a subsidiary of the
‘Kangaroo Route’. Instead they will be dedicated to connecting Australians with our region, and Asian visitors to Australia.
“We will increase dedicated capacity to Singapore and re-time flights to Singapore and Hong Kong to enable
more ‘same day’ connections across Asia. We believe this will significantly improve the economics of our Asian operations.”
Qantas will also withdraw from the Singapore-Frankfurt route. While this service has been underperforming for some time, and withdrawal was inevitable, the partnership with Emirates will enable it to take place with
minimal impact on Qantas customers.
Qantas and Emirates today announced a new global aviation partnership that
will give their customers a seamless Australian and international network, exclusive frequent flyer benefits and
world-class travel experiences.1
Under the agreement signed this morning by Emirates President Tim Clark and Qantas Group CEO Alan
Joyce, Qantas will move its hub for European flights to Dubai and enter an extensive commercial relationship
with Emirates.
The 10-year partnership will go beyond codesharing and includes integrated network collaboration with
coordinated pricing, sales and scheduling as well as a benefit-sharing model. Neither airline will take equity in the other.
Qantas will launch daily A380 services from both Sydney and Melbourne to London via Dubai, meaning that
together Emirates and Qantas will offer 98 weekly services between Australia and Dubai. Qantas will be the
only other airline operating to Terminal 3 and the new purpose-built A380 concourse at Dubai International Airport.
The partnership will give Qantas customers one-stop access to more than 70 Emirates destinations in Europe,
the Middle East and Africa. For Emirates customers it will open up Qantas’ Australian domestic network of
more than 50 destinations and 5,000 flights per week. The carriers will also coordinate on their services
between Australia and New Zealand and services between Australia and South East Asia.
The Emirates and Qantas frequent flyer programs will be aligned, giving customers expanded opportunities to
earn and redeem points. Emirates and Qantas will provide reciprocal access to tier status benefits including end-to-end customer recognition, lounge access, priority check-in and boarding and other exclusive services.
Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce said the partnership would deliver unprecedented benefits to Qantas
customers and mark a decisive step forward in the Group’s strategy.
“Emirates is the ideal partner for Qantas,” Mr Joyce said. “It has a wonderful brand, a modern fleet, an uncompromising approach to quality and it flies to the A-list of international destinations.
“This is the most significant partnership the Qantas Group has ever formed with another airline, moving past
the traditional alliance model to a new level. It will deliver benefits to all parts of the Group.
“As the world’s largest international airline, with a network that perfectly complements our own, Emirates will
help us give our customers across Australia a dramatically expanded range of travel options.
“Together with Emirates, Qantas will provide a unique ‘one stop’ hub service, as well as deeply integrated
frequent flyer and customer benefits.
“The partnership delivers on all four pillars of the Qantas Group’s international strategy: it will see us fly to the
global gateway city of Dubai, provide some of the world’s best travel experiences through both Qantas and
Emirates, improve our network in Asia, and, crucially, help build a strong Qantas International business for the
long term.
“There will be considerable benefits for the broader economy as we collaborate with industry to drive more
inbound trade and tourism.
1 All stated characteristics of the partnership are subject to regulatory approval.
“I very much look forward to working with Tim and everyone at Emirates as we develop this exciting,
transformative partnership.”
“The time was right to develop a long-term partnership with Qantas, the iconic Australian airline,” said Tim Clark, President of Emirates.
“Since our first flights began in 1996, Australia has long been a popular destination for Emirates leisure and
business travellers, making it one of the top three destinations in our network.
“By establishing this partnership we are providing our passengers with additional connectivity in Australia and
the region, the ability to utilise reciprocal frequent flyer benefits and access to premium lounges and travel
experiences.”
The airlines will submit an application for interim authorisation to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) in order to begin commercial planning. Subject to regulatory approval, it is anticipated
that the partnership will commence in April 2013.
Broader Qantas network changes
Qantas will restructure its Asian network to strengthen its focus on services to and within the region.
“We currently have an Asian flying schedule based on travelling via Asia to Europe,” Mr Joyce said. “But our Australian business customers want better access to Asia, and we have been looking to address this for some
time.”
“With European services transiting through Dubai, Qantas’ Asian services will no longer be a subsidiary of the
‘Kangaroo Route’. Instead they will be dedicated to connecting Australians with our region, and Asian visitors to Australia.
“We will increase dedicated capacity to Singapore and re-time flights to Singapore and Hong Kong to enable
more ‘same day’ connections across Asia. We believe this will significantly improve the economics of our Asian operations.”
Qantas will also withdraw from the Singapore-Frankfurt route. While this service has been underperforming for some time, and withdrawal was inevitable, the partnership with Emirates will enable it to take place with
minimal impact on Qantas customers.
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The media release is on the Qantas' website now.
About Qantas - Media Room - Media Releases - Qantas, Emirates announce global aviation partnership
The way I've read it, it indicates it is an onward service to London but it does not say anything regarding Frankfurt.
Also Qantas and IAG joint business is terminated.
About Qantas - Media Room - Media Releases - Qantas, Emirates announce global aviation partnership
The way I've read it, it indicates it is an onward service to London but it does not say anything regarding Frankfurt.
Also Qantas and IAG joint business is terminated.
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Qantas/Emirates Alliance
How many Qantas jobs will this cost?
It may be beneficial to get better access to Europe but NO amount of spin will cover up that there will be job losses with duplication.
Is this better fro the Qantas brand?..... marginally, but customer trust is an asset that takes years to build up and a grounding to destroy in one day.
Joyce must live in a vacuum if he thinks that it will come back in a flurry with this deal.
Emirates customers must be thinking "Will I be happy on a Qantas flight?".
I would like to think that there are real benefits to Qantas staff with this deal, but I think that there is going to be more fear than favours.
What strikes me as curious was the fact that emerged at the end of the Emirates statement that the agreement was signed only 30 minutes before the press conference.
It may be beneficial to get better access to Europe but NO amount of spin will cover up that there will be job losses with duplication.
Is this better fro the Qantas brand?..... marginally, but customer trust is an asset that takes years to build up and a grounding to destroy in one day.
Joyce must live in a vacuum if he thinks that it will come back in a flurry with this deal.
Emirates customers must be thinking "Will I be happy on a Qantas flight?".
I would like to think that there are real benefits to Qantas staff with this deal, but I think that there is going to be more fear than favours.
What strikes me as curious was the fact that emerged at the end of the Emirates statement that the agreement was signed only 30 minutes before the press conference.