QANTAS - WHERE TO NOW?
QANTAS - where to now?
Well 15 767 skippers have discovered today that the destination for them is to be the 737.
The CP has mentioned the 'expansion' on the 737. Given the only 'expansion' appears to be in Perth it will be interesting to see where these SYD or MEL based pilots will end up.
Under the current LH EA they may also choose to demote to an FO slot on the 380 displacing a more junior pilot - that's gonna get real messy, real quickly.
On the plus side they'll get their iPads sooner.
My thoughts go out to them as they and their families contemplate a somewhat uncertain future.
Well 15 767 skippers have discovered today that the destination for them is to be the 737.
The CP has mentioned the 'expansion' on the 737. Given the only 'expansion' appears to be in Perth it will be interesting to see where these SYD or MEL based pilots will end up.
Under the current LH EA they may also choose to demote to an FO slot on the 380 displacing a more junior pilot - that's gonna get real messy, real quickly.
On the plus side they'll get their iPads sooner.
My thoughts go out to them as they and their families contemplate a somewhat uncertain future.
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Oh, the inefficiencies of a multi brand segmented business.
Qantas mainline has a surplus of wide body Boeing Captain's with plenty of time on type.
Electing to down train them as A380 FO's or B737 Captains.
Meanwhile, over at Jetstar their preparing for the arrival of the 787 next year.
What's a 767 to 787 transfer take? 2 or 3 weeks.
Qantas mainline has a surplus of wide body Boeing Captain's with plenty of time on type.
Electing to down train them as A380 FO's or B737 Captains.
Meanwhile, over at Jetstar their preparing for the arrival of the 787 next year.
What's a 767 to 787 transfer take? 2 or 3 weeks.
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The cancer has now spread to the vital organs of the organisation. Engineering gutted, over 200 pilots having left on lwop without much chance of there being much left in the near term or long term for their return and a reduction in numbers on the fleet that supposedly forms an important part of the domestic network......... Well obviously not.
Glad chairman Mao has the answers.
Glad chairman Mao has the answers.
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They use to value experience.
If I recall correctly. Boeing Captains were required to fly the A330 prior to the arrival of the A380.
Using the same logic, wouldn't the introduction of the 787 in the QF group require prior and recent Boeing Widebody time?
If I recall correctly. Boeing Captains were required to fly the A330 prior to the arrival of the A380.
Using the same logic, wouldn't the introduction of the 787 in the QF group require prior and recent Boeing Widebody time?
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That ($30m) Sol kind of feeling
Forget about it - these shonks don't care about "experience" any longer...
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'Step back in time'
Mr Trujillo, who earned millions at the helm of the one-time taxpayer-owned telecommunications giant, cited what he described as "restrictive" historical immigration policies and "events over the past five or 10 years" that the report did not specify.
Read more: Sol Trujillo's parting shot: racist backward
NOTAM great video on this link, a must watch...
Mr Trujillo, who earned millions at the helm of the one-time taxpayer-owned telecommunications giant, cited what he described as "restrictive" historical immigration policies and "events over the past five or 10 years" that the report did not specify.
Read more: Sol Trujillo's parting shot: racist backward
NOTAM great video on this link, a must watch...
The machines don't fail these days Geeves!
) that's the problem with this new breed of managers and their strategies... what was that old saying again..eh.... "take the money and run..." I suppose Sol thought the same about telecommunications, (just ask Vodafone Aus, now also known in slang as Vodaflop)
I don't think any business can afford to take their eye off the ball, particularly in an industry where good technical expertise is required to be maintained. (eg. aviation). Play around with the available expertise elements by cutting corners, may end up in tears.
the endgame, invariably, too many helpless innocent bystander's get caught up in it all.....
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The future of Qantas is simple.
1. Buy the company for peanuts thanks to incompetent management.
2. Extract Three billion in cash that the airline now holds and replace it with cheap American debt. Take a "management fee" as well.
3. Repair the damage done by said incompetent management (easy and quick to do.)
4. Tell a good story to the stock market and refloat.
5. Walk away with five to Ten times your original investment.
6. Sip champagne in the South of France while the indebted company goes tits up.
Ask Mitt Romney how its done.
1. Buy the company for peanuts thanks to incompetent management.
2. Extract Three billion in cash that the airline now holds and replace it with cheap American debt. Take a "management fee" as well.
3. Repair the damage done by said incompetent management (easy and quick to do.)
4. Tell a good story to the stock market and refloat.
5. Walk away with five to Ten times your original investment.
6. Sip champagne in the South of France while the indebted company goes tits up.
Ask Mitt Romney how its done.
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Correctamundo
Sunny,
tend to agree, it will track something like that, but the question remains, where are the shareholders? They have seen they value gutted by this mob, and they are sitting back and letting it happen.
Talk about lemmings!
The only way out is shareholder revolt.
tend to agree, it will track something like that, but the question remains, where are the shareholders? They have seen they value gutted by this mob, and they are sitting back and letting it happen.
Talk about lemmings!
The only way out is shareholder revolt.
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Qantas lost "shareholders" and gained "speculators" when they stopped paying a dividend.
Without strong growth there will be no long term advance in the share price regardless of a takeover bid. Even if QF was to become a lean, mean machine I don't think the next 5 years will be very good years economically.
I would expect the share price to go sideways for sometime. It will lose some ground when the formal loss is reported and perhaps a credit downgrade is announced.....
There are other companies so much more attractive to invest in at the moment. BHP is trading at a PE ratio of 7 right now.... BP is trading at a little under 6. It would take one hell of a presentation to pitch the idea of rescuing Qantas to suits...
Has anyone done a "simulation" on where QF would be situated if the 767, 747, and A380 where all replaced by the 777 some years back. I guess this would have come under the days of Dixon, Packer etc.
Without strong growth there will be no long term advance in the share price regardless of a takeover bid. Even if QF was to become a lean, mean machine I don't think the next 5 years will be very good years economically.
I would expect the share price to go sideways for sometime. It will lose some ground when the formal loss is reported and perhaps a credit downgrade is announced.....
There are other companies so much more attractive to invest in at the moment. BHP is trading at a PE ratio of 7 right now.... BP is trading at a little under 6. It would take one hell of a presentation to pitch the idea of rescuing Qantas to suits...
Has anyone done a "simulation" on where QF would be situated if the 767, 747, and A380 where all replaced by the 777 some years back. I guess this would have come under the days of Dixon, Packer etc.
Electing to down train them as A380 FO's or B737 Captains.
Can imagine an attitude like that would be really welcomed amongst the 737 ranks.
Nunc est bibendum
Wow! So its DOWN training to be a 737 Capt? How mighty are thy?
Can imagine an attitude like that would be really welcomed amongst the 737 ranks.
Can imagine an attitude like that would be really welcomed amongst the 737 ranks.
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Not intended as interpreted.
In fact the move would probably be seen as up skilling, (can I say that without upsetting any 767 pilots)
Not intended as interpreted.
In fact the move would probably be seen as up skilling, (can I say that without upsetting any 767 pilots)
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Relax The The.
Its all a Lego Lingo thingy and part of the way an Ex Govmint organism gets dragged into the day of now.
Don't worry about it.
Electing to down train them as A380 FO's or B737 Captains.
Wow! So its DOWN training to be a 737 Capt? How mighty are thy?
Wow! So its DOWN training to be a 737 Capt? How mighty are thy?
Its all a Lego Lingo thingy and part of the way an Ex Govmint organism gets dragged into the day of now.
Don't worry about it.
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In fact the move would probably be seen as up skilling
The machines don't fail these days Geeves!
this photo says it all....
The situation was beautifully handled, hats off to the crew...
Background QF 30 incident
They use to value experience.
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Just listened to the new QF theme song on another (now locked) thread.
I think it is particularly relevant to this thread - it symbolises where Qantas is headed.
No real substance, nothing about the product, and lots of moaning.
What a senseless waste.
Standing by for incoming.....
I think it is particularly relevant to this thread - it symbolises where Qantas is headed.
No real substance, nothing about the product, and lots of moaning.
What a senseless waste.
Standing by for incoming.....
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Can't say the song resonates with me and I love Australia and the Qantas Brand.
Its going to be tricky to pull the national pride heartstring when everyone seems more interested in the price and price only.
Commonwealth bank had some trouble with "thank you for banking with us today". Every customer in the long queues heard the compulsory saying and to say it was a failure is prob a gross understatement. Point is sometimes things work, sometimes they don't.
For me - Miranda Kerr was working well as an ambassador - get her to sing the song or dance around in her lingerie and they might have something
Its going to be tricky to pull the national pride heartstring when everyone seems more interested in the price and price only.
Commonwealth bank had some trouble with "thank you for banking with us today". Every customer in the long queues heard the compulsory saying and to say it was a failure is prob a gross understatement. Point is sometimes things work, sometimes they don't.
For me - Miranda Kerr was working well as an ambassador - get her to sing the song or dance around in her lingerie and they might have something
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