New 'Aviation Minister' after Monday?
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Aye TG,
and a pre-requisite is to be able to look 'extremely interested' whilst staring intently at the back of the speaker's head.....
I'd be no good ....I'd lose 'me attention span'....
and a pre-requisite is to be able to look 'extremely interested' whilst staring intently at the back of the speaker's head.....
I'd be no good ....I'd lose 'me attention span'....
Thanks for the pickup Hippo. Always happy to admit a mistake. As for schools, it happens to be the one responsible for Rob Oakeshott 
Make of that what you will 
Like it or not, the minority government we now have is the result of the Westminster style of representative government we have. The systems in place for the formation of government are those described in the Constitution and by convention. Government is formed in the lower house by the party or coalition of parties that can control that house. If you want to blame someone or something for the minority government, blame the electorate. We got what we voted for.
The real difference between work choices and fair work, is that work choices made the assumption (or more to the point, tried to convince workers) that a single employee and an employer can sit across the negotiating table with equal bargaining power. That assumption is false, and the associated power imbalance leads to poor outcomes for workers when dealing with employers taking advantage of that power imbalance. A return to a Liberal coalition government will result in a change to industrial relations that more favours the power of the employer, even if it is disguised as not being 'work choices II'. If you are an employer, the smart money would have you favouring a liberal style government. If you are a skilled employee that has to 'work for the man', such as an airline pilot, the smart money would have you favour a government that has an industrial relations policy of trying to balance the power differential between employer and employee.
Fair work does have problems. The situation that has Qantas pilots being forced to halt industrial action that cased little harm by a ruthless employer has highlighted faults with the Act. However, the fault is a technicality exploited by Qantas, not a problem with the fundamental issue of trying to balance the power of employers and employees.
I find it interesting that so many pilots align themselves with a party who's industrial policy is fundamentally opposed to their ability to negotiate reasonable wage outcomes.
Make of that what you will Like it or not, the minority government we now have is the result of the Westminster style of representative government we have. The systems in place for the formation of government are those described in the Constitution and by convention. Government is formed in the lower house by the party or coalition of parties that can control that house. If you want to blame someone or something for the minority government, blame the electorate. We got what we voted for.
The real difference between work choices and fair work, is that work choices made the assumption (or more to the point, tried to convince workers) that a single employee and an employer can sit across the negotiating table with equal bargaining power. That assumption is false, and the associated power imbalance leads to poor outcomes for workers when dealing with employers taking advantage of that power imbalance. A return to a Liberal coalition government will result in a change to industrial relations that more favours the power of the employer, even if it is disguised as not being 'work choices II'. If you are an employer, the smart money would have you favouring a liberal style government. If you are a skilled employee that has to 'work for the man', such as an airline pilot, the smart money would have you favour a government that has an industrial relations policy of trying to balance the power differential between employer and employee.
Fair work does have problems. The situation that has Qantas pilots being forced to halt industrial action that cased little harm by a ruthless employer has highlighted faults with the Act. However, the fault is a technicality exploited by Qantas, not a problem with the fundamental issue of trying to balance the power of employers and employees.
I find it interesting that so many pilots align themselves with a party who's industrial policy is fundamentally opposed to their ability to negotiate reasonable wage outcomes.
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Fair work does have problems. The situation that has Qantas pilots being forced to halt industrial action that cased little harm by a ruthless employer has highlighted faults with the Act. However, the fault is a technicality exploited by Qantas, not a problem with the fundamental issue of trying to balance the power of employers and employees.
I am not sure what is going to happen with the appeal, though I would not be surprised to see it fail (based on the responses of the three judges to the arguments at the hearing). If it fails, it would expose what I would assume is an unintended consequence of the drafting of the Act. Hopefully this consequence would be addressed with any future amendment. The long story is that perhaps a failure of the appeal would not be all bad if it results in the Act being amended.
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Just thinking back to the original thread, our minister for things flying is part of a dysfunctional mob of thugs who thought a Timor solution was a good thing. They wanted to put all the boat people from Indonesia, Afganistan, Iran, and Iraq there.
Nobody yet has informed them that Timor just had a civil war, (Christian against Muslim, West against East), and nobody even asked anybody in East Timor if it was OK by them.
No wonder Australia is the laughing stock of The World.
Now we have a Foreign Minister, (unelected appointed Senator), who has burnt more bridges with everyone important in World affairs and was responsible for the mindset of the most disgraced State government in living history.
He should do well with the Governor General, (you know, the Queen's representative and Commander in Chief of our armed forces), who likes flowers to excess and is a Republican mother in Law of a Senior front bench Labor Minister.
Oh! yes, Australian politics are in good hands.
Nobody yet has informed them that Timor just had a civil war, (Christian against Muslim, West against East), and nobody even asked anybody in East Timor if it was OK by them.
No wonder Australia is the laughing stock of The World.
Now we have a Foreign Minister, (unelected appointed Senator), who has burnt more bridges with everyone important in World affairs and was responsible for the mindset of the most disgraced State government in living history.
He should do well with the Governor General, (you know, the Queen's representative and Commander in Chief of our armed forces), who likes flowers to excess and is a Republican mother in Law of a Senior front bench Labor Minister.
Oh! yes, Australian politics are in good hands.
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Oh! yes, Australian politics are in good hands.
This guy is so far removed from his responsibilities it's a wonder his Infrastructure and Transport ministry knows he is there.. it just bumbles along aimlessly......
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Who says Australia is a laughing stock? Apparently every bugger and his dog wants to move here according to the mad monk.
Whats more, their preferred mode of transport is apparently by fishing boat.
Seriously where else would you want to live? And if you can name the place - how come you are not there yet?
I find the Aus bashing a little tedious.
Whats more, their preferred mode of transport is apparently by fishing boat.
Seriously where else would you want to live? And if you can name the place - how come you are not there yet?
I find the Aus bashing a little tedious.
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I'm not Oz bashing. I'm Labor bashing. Subtle difference Comrade.
But that's probably "not in the National interest", so perhaps according to Gillard and her spindoctors, you are right. I should be deported along with about 60% of voting Australians.
Strewth!
But that's probably "not in the National interest", so perhaps according to Gillard and her spindoctors, you are right. I should be deported along with about 60% of voting Australians.
Strewth!
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dysfunctional mob of thugs
Subtle difference Comrade.
No wonder Australia is the laughing stock of The World
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Prawn, there's a little book produced in the real aviation world that just about every corporate aircraft would carry, sort of an International ERSA.
In the back there is advise on each country's aviation facitlities, have a read how they describe OZ and tell me we are not an international joke in the aviation world.
In the back there is advise on each country's aviation facitlities, have a read how they describe OZ and tell me we are not an international joke in the aviation world.
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Deep Sea Racing Prawn.
Don't engage with the Troll. He has form on Aust political threads, usually Jetblast, of goading until the moderators shut the thread down. Probably employed at taxpayer expense to keep check on people who don't agree with ALP dogma.
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Sorry Frank, I've never posted on Jetblast and rarely visit, and have no interest in seeing this thread closed down....I simply find it difficult to ignore the political rubbish you produce on this forum.
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I am with you Frank. After watching the absolutely disgusting behaviour of Bligh and her mob here in QLD, (especially when she lined up a $600,000 job in the so called Climate change dept, for her ol man, add to that a $450,000 job for the said hubby of the sitting Ashgrove MP (I should have married a pollie) she then turns around and tries to tie Newman to graft. Jeeeeez you have to hand it to her. And that is only state. The Federal govt, will be even worse when cornered and cornered they will be.
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Good, thank you all.
Now back to the original topic "New 'Aviation Minister' after Monday?" which of course, didn't happen as the Prime Minister is running out of suitable - and I use the phrase rather loosely - Ministerial material.
"I appreciate and respect people's various political and religious views, some of which I may personally agree with, some I may not agree with.
However, I respect your right in Australia to hold your own political and religious views.
I will not debate you or criticise you for your personal views, nor will I think any less of you for holding political views contrary to the views I hold. I recognise and respect that you are entitled to hold your own views and values in Australia.
I appreciate PPRuNe is an aviation forum for professional pilots. I understand it is not a political forum and it would be bad form to post my political views, or criticise the political views of others in these PPRuNe Forums."
Now we all agree and the Mods will have no further problems with vexatious and aggressive political posts or argumentive bickering between users over their political views?
And it will be fair cop if the Mods give a seven day thread ban without warning to any one that causes any further problems?
Good, thank you all.
Now back to the original topic "New 'Aviation Minister' after Monday?" which of course, didn't happen as the Prime Minister is running out of suitable - and I use the phrase rather loosely - Ministerial material.
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Indeed!!
Waaay back on Feb 25th, this was then 'topical'....But then....
NOTHING CHANGED....!!!
And with NO word from the 'other side', then NOTHING 'Positive' may change next year either....
Cheers
Waaay back on Feb 25th, this was then 'topical'....But then....
NOTHING CHANGED....!!!
And with NO word from the 'other side', then NOTHING 'Positive' may change next year either....
Cheers
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