New 'Aviation Minister' after Monday?
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Well I don't mind playing by those rules and after a nights reflection, I may have mistaken a posters style with another from Jetblast.
Perhaps I get emotional and perhaps I get a head of steam up. Such is one's abilities when tempted on PPRune. One man's rubbish is another man's political view.
What stirs me is the sense of sincerity some get over the ALP's "achievements" and those could be argued in a gentlemanly manner.
However I find the arguements pithy when the same people appear to tolerate the goings on with say the Craig Thompson affair as one example. Things like this appear to be normal for the ALP, but unfortunately contravene every sense of decency I have been brought up with.
A new aviation minister, well we didn't get one, but I sincerely believe we need one, and yes, even Anderson would be better. If you were to know me, and my history with him, you would see how much of sincere belief this is.
political rubbish you produce on this forum.
What stirs me is the sense of sincerity some get over the ALP's "achievements" and those could be argued in a gentlemanly manner.
However I find the arguements pithy when the same people appear to tolerate the goings on with say the Craig Thompson affair as one example. Things like this appear to be normal for the ALP, but unfortunately contravene every sense of decency I have been brought up with.
A new aviation minister, well we didn't get one, but I sincerely believe we need one, and yes, even Anderson would be better. If you were to know me, and my history with him, you would see how much of sincere belief this is.
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'Tailie',
A question......
Did you mean...
'didn't happen as the Prime Minister is running out suitable.....Ministerial material'.....
or
'is running out OF suitable Ministerial material'...
Hence the 'import' for the new Foreign 'world traveller'.....
Cheers
A question......
Did you mean...
'didn't happen as the Prime Minister is running out suitable.....Ministerial material'.....
or
'is running out OF suitable Ministerial material'...
Hence the 'import' for the new Foreign 'world traveller'.....
Cheers
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Originally Posted by Frank Arouet
... Things like this appear to be normal for the ALP. ...
None of my Labor leaning rellies is in trouble for embezzlement but a Liberal leaning one is!
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I agree with tailwheel, we should not be comparing political parties, after all they are in fact all 'one and the same' - worthless inept piles of greedy self serving piles of steaming monkey sh#t.
As for 'Albo', regardless of his political persuasion, I rather enjoy watching his stuttering, stammering and non-articulate speaking. Top that off with a hairstyle that looks like a groundhog has sat on his head and a gap between his from teeth that is so large you could kick a field goal through it.
In fact and without doubt I believe that
the best politician is a dead one.
As for 'Albo', regardless of his political persuasion, I rather enjoy watching his stuttering, stammering and non-articulate speaking. Top that off with a hairstyle that looks like a groundhog has sat on his head and a gap between his from teeth that is so large you could kick a field goal through it.
In fact and without doubt I believe that
the best politician is a dead one.
In a past life I had a fair amount of contact with federal politicians from both sides of the house. My recollection was that there were gentlemen and jerks (and the female equivalents) representing all major parties. People will have differing political ideologies, but I believe that you can differentiate ideology from corrupt behaviour and other personality faults.
Playing the ball instead of the man will tend to give more weight to any argument, but like political behaviour, sometimes it is difficult to live up to this expectation when passion is involved. I know it is for me at times
Playing the ball instead of the man will tend to give more weight to any argument, but like political behaviour, sometimes it is difficult to live up to this expectation when passion is involved. I know it is for me at times
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Way back on page #2 of this thread I made the comment that I could not remember the last time we had a competent Aviation Minister.
Question; Who was the last one?
gobbledock;Good one.
Question; Who was the last one?
gobbledock;Good one.
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Originally Posted by gobbledock
... after all they are in fact all 'one and the same' - worthless inept piles of greedy self serving piles of steaming monkey sh#t.
As in all walks of life, we shouldn't tar every one with the same brush because of a few bad apples.
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There has been some good ones and some attrocious duds!
Minister for Civil Aviation/Aviation:
Liberal:
Athol Townley 1954 - 1956
Shane Paltridge 1956 - 1964
Denham Henty 1964 - 1966
Reginald Swartz 1966 - 1969
Bob Cotton 1969 – 1972
Labour:
Gough Whitlam 1972
Charles Jones 1972 – 1973
Country Party:
Wal Fife 1982 – 1983
Labour:
Kim Beazley 1983 – 1984
Peter Morris 1984 - 1987
Minister for Shipping & Transport/Transport & Construction/Transport etc
Liberal:
John Spicer 1955
Shane Paltridge 1955 – 1960
Hubert Opperman 1960 – 1963
Gordon Freeth 1963 – 1968
Country Party:
Ian Sinclair 1968 – 1971
Peter Nixon 1971 – 1972
Labour:
Gough Whitlam 1972
Charles Jones 1972 – 1975
Country Party:
Peter Nixon 1975 – 1979
Ralph Hunt 1979 – 1983
Labour:
Peter Norris 1983 – 1987
Gareth Evans 1987 – 1988
Ralph Willis 1988 – 1990
Kim Beazley 1990 – 1991
John Kerin 1991 – 1991
Graham Richardson 1991 – 1992
Bob Collins 1992 – 1993
Laurie Brereton 1993 – 1996
National Party:
John Sharp 1996 – 1997
Mark Vaile 1997 – 1998
John Anderson 1998 – 2005
Warren Truss 2005 – 2006
Mark Vaile 2006 – 2007
Labour:
Anthony Albanese 2007 -
Odly enough, from my recollection in recent years and particularly the past two decades, the longer their term as Minister, the worse they were! No promotion potential I guess. My guess the present incumbent will not be going anywhere anytime soon, after his support for Rudd.
Minister for Civil Aviation/Aviation:
Liberal:
Athol Townley 1954 - 1956
Shane Paltridge 1956 - 1964
Denham Henty 1964 - 1966
Reginald Swartz 1966 - 1969
Bob Cotton 1969 – 1972
Labour:
Gough Whitlam 1972
Charles Jones 1972 – 1973
Country Party:
Wal Fife 1982 – 1983
Labour:
Kim Beazley 1983 – 1984
Peter Morris 1984 - 1987
Minister for Shipping & Transport/Transport & Construction/Transport etc
Liberal:
John Spicer 1955
Shane Paltridge 1955 – 1960
Hubert Opperman 1960 – 1963
Gordon Freeth 1963 – 1968
Country Party:
Ian Sinclair 1968 – 1971
Peter Nixon 1971 – 1972
Labour:
Gough Whitlam 1972
Charles Jones 1972 – 1975
Country Party:
Peter Nixon 1975 – 1979
Ralph Hunt 1979 – 1983
Labour:
Peter Norris 1983 – 1987
Gareth Evans 1987 – 1988
Ralph Willis 1988 – 1990
Kim Beazley 1990 – 1991
John Kerin 1991 – 1991
Graham Richardson 1991 – 1992
Bob Collins 1992 – 1993
Laurie Brereton 1993 – 1996
National Party:
John Sharp 1996 – 1997
Mark Vaile 1997 – 1998
John Anderson 1998 – 2005
Warren Truss 2005 – 2006
Mark Vaile 2006 – 2007
Labour:
Anthony Albanese 2007 -
Odly enough, from my recollection in recent years and particularly the past two decades, the longer their term as Minister, the worse they were! No promotion potential I guess. My guess the present incumbent will not be going anywhere anytime soon, after his support for Rudd.
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RE 'Denham Henty 1964 - 1966'...
Must have been 'OK' by the standards of the time = they named 'Henty House' the DCA 'Air Traffic Services' Training college in ML after him.....
On the other hand.....HHmmm....
Must have been 'OK' by the standards of the time = they named 'Henty House' the DCA 'Air Traffic Services' Training college in ML after him.....
On the other hand.....HHmmm....
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Interesting Tailwind, considering I was flying under most of those blokes at the time. The ones you would feed were Peter Morris (Labor)( 84 to 87) who always made a point of asking if he could come to the flight deck for a chat, and then asked you questions about your job, how you felt about the system, how things could be improved etc. Ian Sinclair (Country Party) 68 to 71, who loved all things Aviation and it showed in his enthusiasm for the job. Ol Charlie Jones (Labor) 72 to 75, actually took a interest also. They are the ones that stood out. Unfeedable were Evens (Labor) 87 to 88, who treated Pilots like something that was found on the bottom of your shoe, Willis (Labor) 88 to 90, who after making sure Hawke put his boot in to the Pilots, added his own verbal abuse, then I was OS for most of the rest. Over to you younger blokes.
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I'm old enough to remember Oppy as Transport Minister (Sir Hubert Ferdinand Opperman, OBE 29 May 1904 - 18 April 1996). Oppy entered Parliament in 1949 and served for 17 years before being appointed High Commissioner to Malta. Like all things with Oppy he took a keen interest and was an excellent Minister and a great Australian. Oppy served as an officer in the RAAF during World War II.
Athol Townley and Shane Paltridge were very good. I remember Athol Townley as our excellent local family pharmacist when I was a kid. John Sharp also showed promise. Unfortunately the good ones tended to be promoted fairly quickly to other Ministries.
There were (are?) some attrocious duds, particularly in the longer term incumbents in recent years that demonstrably exceeded their maximum level of incompetence!
Athol Townley and Shane Paltridge were very good. I remember Athol Townley as our excellent local family pharmacist when I was a kid. John Sharp also showed promise. Unfortunately the good ones tended to be promoted fairly quickly to other Ministries.
There were (are?) some attrocious duds, particularly in the longer term incumbents in recent years that demonstrably exceeded their maximum level of incompetence!
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Over to you younger blokes.
In fact, today it is worse.... this video says it all, Labor or Liberal, none of the transport minsters in my life have been impressive.... this video says where we are at today.. for those who haven't seen it, even Albo has a starring role.... says nothing, only shallow words..
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Thanks Tailwheel, Griffo& teresa.
Reading the list brought back a few memories of comments made to me or overheard over the years re the various Ministers.
I won't repeat what someone said to me about (Ralph?) Willis.
Reading the list brought back a few memories of comments made to me or overheard over the years re the various Ministers.
I won't repeat what someone said to me about (Ralph?) Willis.
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Given another thread has CASA Audit figures which are in some dispute, can someone tell me, preferably an ALP genius, what is the difference between a small company, an unincorporated business, and a business?
Ms Gillard is orientating in space and time and unfortunately I'm in a different parallel universe.
Are CASA surveilled entities small businesses or incorporated company's and do they get the "tax break" (I'm going losses caused by interferrence here)
She asserts there are 7.5 million small businesses, but, and this is why I'm asking, it appears only the incorporated ones, (ie. company's), get the 1% tax break. This same mob of businesses, however many millions there are, then have to pay an extra 3% in superannuation as something Gillard says she is giving the faithful, making their net gain a 2% loss.
Also, if you claim the $6500 instant depreciation, can you claim the GST offset?
Ms Gillard is orientating in space and time and unfortunately I'm in a different parallel universe.
Are CASA surveilled entities small businesses or incorporated company's and do they get the "tax break" (I'm going losses caused by interferrence here)
She asserts there are 7.5 million small businesses, but, and this is why I'm asking, it appears only the incorporated ones, (ie. company's), get the 1% tax break. This same mob of businesses, however many millions there are, then have to pay an extra 3% in superannuation as something Gillard says she is giving the faithful, making their net gain a 2% loss.
Also, if you claim the $6500 instant depreciation, can you claim the GST offset?
There is only one thing we need to remember - that no politician who is in power will EVER get a better job if they lose that power, so they will do and say ANYTHING to stay in power.
That is a rather sweeping generalisation Al.
Better in what way? Pay? Accountability? Power? Time with family? Amount of public scrutiny of every facet of their public and private lives?
Talented people have no problem finding or returning to well paid rewarding jobs. And yes, I believe there are talented people in Parliament from both sides of the house.
Better in what way? Pay? Accountability? Power? Time with family? Amount of public scrutiny of every facet of their public and private lives?
Talented people have no problem finding or returning to well paid rewarding jobs. And yes, I believe there are talented people in Parliament from both sides of the house.
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Not too many I fear, at the pointy end of EITHER MOB in the present time-frame......
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This thread is getting way of track... but seeing as we are there:
The old school politicians ( pre 70's in general terms) came to politics, AFTER they had made a name in some other field, be it successful in business, medicine, military, sports, public service etc. They used their experience to serve their country abs give something back.
These days politicians overwhelmingly rise up from the ranks of young liberals/labourals with only an ideological conviction - not one borne from real world experience. This includes the business lobbyists and the union lobbyists. When I see young liberals and labourals speaking with such polished faux conviction it makes me ill. 19 and 20 year olds who know it all? Please.
There are of course exceptions, and some that come to mind are the late Peter Andren, Malcolm Turnbull, John Hewson, Tony Windsor, Andrew Wilkie, Nick X. Most if them are independents, or at least independent thinkers, and have come from outside of the political sausage machine.
The old school politicians ( pre 70's in general terms) came to politics, AFTER they had made a name in some other field, be it successful in business, medicine, military, sports, public service etc. They used their experience to serve their country abs give something back.
These days politicians overwhelmingly rise up from the ranks of young liberals/labourals with only an ideological conviction - not one borne from real world experience. This includes the business lobbyists and the union lobbyists. When I see young liberals and labourals speaking with such polished faux conviction it makes me ill. 19 and 20 year olds who know it all? Please.
There are of course exceptions, and some that come to mind are the late Peter Andren, Malcolm Turnbull, John Hewson, Tony Windsor, Andrew Wilkie, Nick X. Most if them are independents, or at least independent thinkers, and have come from outside of the political sausage machine.
Off the top of my head, what about Neal Blewett? As health minister when Aids emerged he had the courage to address it as a health issue (not a moral issue as it was in the USA) and subsequently saved thousands of lives. Fraser and Whitlam served in diplomatic roles after politics. Malcolm Turnbul is self made and does not need politics as a job. Even as someone that is 'left leaning', I believe he is a good local member that has the courage to take a stand on social issues. As much as I don't agree with her attitude or politics, Julia Bishop has been partner in several law firms and a Harvard business graduate. She should find no trouble finding a job in the law or business after politics. On the Labour side at the moment, Penny Wong and Greg Combet I believe have talent. Obviously some will not agree with my examples above, but I think the argument that no politician will EVER get a better job if they loose power is weak.