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Senate Inquiry, Hearing Program 4th Nov 2011

Old 9th Feb 2013, 23:05
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Sunfish, that is nothing unusual. Threats are common, however there is no system available for those threatened. Unless you call the ICC or the AAT a fair method of complaining? That is where those on the committees are aligned with the Regulator. As said before, the numbers are stacked and the odds in your favour don't exist.
Get a win in the AAT or with the ICC, your name gets targeted for revenge.
Get a win in the courts, The CASA appeals process will sen you bankrupt.
Get a win against an incorrect Fort Fumble decision? Expect a series of robust audits, surveillance and payback. Childish antics but you are dealing with a childish organisation.

When you read the comments from Mr Urqhart, Mr Lovells fiancé, and then the comments from mr Butson and you see disgraceful treatment by bullies, sociopaths and sycophants at the hand of government employees. How nice.

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Sunfish, Oleo,
No need to quote third party threats. Refer to Paul Phelan's Shooting the Messenger page 11

OLC believes that this is a borderline case and were it to appear before the AAT, that the results of a review could not be guaranteed. However, both OLC and the Area Office argue that it is an important policy position to take action against Schutt, in order to dissuade other companies from attempting to circumvent legislation in this way.
These bastards haven't the intelligence to have "policy" translated into legislation, assuming there is even a "safety" case. But with a monopoly there is usually "reprisal" and unlimited legal $$$s. So no worries. She'll be right,mate!

Based on policy there should be an immediate halt to "charter flights" as they could not meet the absolute safety requirements demanded for "paying passenger" ultimately "empty skies are safe skies"
Euthanasia of the G.A. Industry appears legal, evidently supported by the highest echelons of Government.
Australia once again leading the world!

the DPP's view is that a prosecution could not be implemented or proceeded with by them because it was not in the public interest and it was highly unlikely that it would succeed. I herewith request approval to cease the investigation of this matter forthwith and approval not to submit a brief of evidence to the DPP.”
https://senate.aph.gov.au/submission...7-e114756fe994

Isn't it strange that Ana stasi managed to misplace this material for the AAT hearing, yet McC was aware of it, not considering this as New, must be a special power of insight? Might it also explain why Adam was elevated to the top position in the now renamed LSD. Shows there is reward for excellence. There are several more examples of similar misplaced communications, but McC is on top of them all. Always good to light the open fire!

"empty skies are safe skies"
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Stan,

If CASA had done this to me, I would have been in court long ago suing the pants of all responsible for the demise of my business and the discrediting of my reputation.

Get a good "no win, no fee litigation lawyer firm like Slater and Gordon if you have to, even just to see justice being done.
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Having dutifully ploughed through the 228 page response, AQON 211112 and identified several howlers, contradictions and plain, old fashioned 'porkpies'; I can report that as a definitive study of corporate spin, it is a masterpiece. The tabled data is the work of master craftsman. Clearly history is repetitive:-

AQON 211112_PDF page # 48.

ATSB response to the question ‘Is this new methodology internationally recognised?’:
The first significant investigation undertaken using the new analysis methodology was the ATSB’s investigation of the fatal Metro 23 accident near Lockhart River, Queensland on 7 May 2005 (ATSB investigation 200501977). Following the completion of this investigation, there was some criticism of aspects of the ATSB’s methodology by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority regarding the ATSB’s use of a Reason-type model and the ATSB’s definition of ‘contributing safety factor’, and the Queensland State Coroner had concerns regarding the description of the standard of proof associated with the ATSB’s definition of ‘contributing safety factor’.
Norfolk - Sub03_Currall.

14. As pointed out on the 4 Corners program the ATSB’s final report was flawed, causing it to be quietly withdrawn some 24 hours after publication. The report was then reissued with no form of version control. I now have two versions of the final report and do not know which to believe.

15. The report omitted crucial information on the issue of Reduced Vertical Separation Minima (RVSM). This issue, together with apparent deficiencies of the Operations Manual severely limited the pilot’s ability to plan the flight effectively. This apparently deliberate omission ensured that the blame for poor flight and fuel planning was pinned on the pilot despite the constraints that each of the above placed upon him.

16. There is no attempt by the ATSB to undertake root cause analysis of the issues raised in their final report. This was exemplified by the issue of Threat and Error Management (TEM), a procedure to improve flight safety by identifying potential threats and errors. According to the report ICAO regulations require training in TEM, though not for this category of flight. CASA regulations however do not require training in TEM. The logical outcome of these points would be to analyse the reasons why there is no such training requirement in Australia and why this flight was in this particular category. If such training is required, or
does help prevent accidents and the flight was found to be in an inappropriate category for this type of operation then CASA could be held accountable for this. Instead, the report simply omitted analysis of these issues.

17. Despite the requirement in the Operations Manual neither of the crew had undertaken training in Crew Resource Management (or in TEM). The ATSB’s investigation went further; in a survey of both trainee and experienced pilots the report found inconsistencies in their approach to the legal requirement to divert to an alternate because this is not part of the syllabus for a trainee pilot. Despite these findings the ATSB declined to offer any recommendations that may improve this clearly unsatisfactory situation.
Lockhart River - Urquhart – Coroner Barnes. 20 Aug, 2007.

" Evidence clearly provided to the inquest both by CASA witnesses and others, showed how CASA has not really changed anything in the way it operates and its serious disregard for promoting safety within the Regional Airline Industry. This is supported by reams of information and statements I have read over a long period of time. Does CASA not have some duty of care in an industry where safety is paramount and should there not be serious consequences imposed on individuals and the organisation for breaches of this? " etc.
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Old 10th Feb 2013, 22:04
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Tomorrow's schedule!

Looking at the proposed timetable for RRAT committee additional estimates it looks like it'll be beer'n'nuts arvo viewing of the fun and frivolities:
http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_...1213/rrat.ashx

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Old 10th Feb 2013, 22:25
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No duty of care!!!

Lockhart River - Urquhart – Coroner Barnes. 20 Aug, 2007.

" Evidence clearly provided to the inquest both by CASA witnesses and others, showed how CASA has not really changed anything in the way it operates and its serious disregard for promoting safety within the Regional Airline Industry. This is supported by reams of information and statements I have read over a long period of time. Does CASA not have some duty of care in an industry where safety is paramount and should there not be serious consequences imposed on individuals and the organisation for breaches of this? " etc.
Although no fatalities can so far be attributed to the "AvGas contamination" CASA has refused to follow up the testing recommendations as per the ATSB report. Mobil has gone out of the AvGas business so things must be safe. If not just blame the pilot. Maybe any re introduction of testing may show up CASA s culpability. [we're not guilty and certainly not sorry] who does industry think they are? Notice any similarity with Coroner Barnes' finding. Time we did the "fit & proper test"

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Senator FAWCETT: There is actually a broader issue, though,
Mr McCormick. There is no closed-loop system so that recommendations that are made by ATSB, that CASA agrees—particularly we have seen a number where, in a coroner's court, the coroner has said, 'We'll close out this issue, because ATSB
made a recommendation and CASA said they will do it,' and then a decade later there is has been no action. Is that an issue for the travelling public? I hear you that you were not there for that whole 10 years, but we are talking about a system now, not personalities. Is the system not working as it should?

Mr McCormick: I cannot speak for what happened in 2000. I only
got here in 2009. …

Senator FAWCETT: Mr Boyd, were you around?

Mr Boyd: Yes, but not in that position.

Senator NASH: Anybody else? Mr Farquharson? Dr Aleck?

Dr Aleck: I was in Montreal.

Creampuff: Apart from the stint in Montreal, Dr Aleck has occupied
various senior management positions within CASA for an accumulated period of about 10 years to the present.
Messrs Farquharson and Anastasi, both of whom have been in CASA for all or most of the period 1999 to the present, were also at the table but, according to Hansard, remained silent.
So although The Skull has been around 5 years, he takes no responsibilty?
As for the others who have been at CASA ranging from 12 - 20 years and who conveniently deflected Senator Nash's probing, they don't get off so easy I am afraid. Anybody in those positions and who has been in CASA for that length of time would have had a say and had influence in decison making. No high level decisions are made without consulting with others, so the 'hand washing' by these guys is laughable.

And I reiterate that mosy of FF's issues lay within its structure of 'long termers' who have spent decades playing the system, and playing it well. But the piece of string has been pulled by the Senators and the whole lot is unravelling. The stench of incompetence flows all the way to the Minister, and people like Mrdak, the Boards, the whole lot of them need to be held to account.
It is a real shame that Samantha Hare and Shayne Urquhart couldn't take all these executive individuals to the morgue with them to identify their loved ones. Or have those executives with them at Xmas or birthdays, to show them that we are dealing with lives, not executive salaries and bonuses.
None of these executive clowns has earned a clean conscience nor do they deserve a peaceful nights sleep while people continue to die and accountabilty is mocked.

On a final note, in regards to the CASA's inabilty to 'close the loop' this too is a farcicle outrage. They preach from the book of James Reason yet don't practise what they preach in reality. If an operator didn't 'close the loop' on an investigation, incident, occurence or non-compliance' then a NCN would be issued by CASA quicker than a CASA executive boarding a plane for Montreal! Hypocrites.

To be con't............

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Senator FAWCETT: There is actually a broader issue, though,
Mr McCormick. There is no closed-loop system so that recommendations that are made by ATSB, that CASA agrees—particularly we have seen a number where, in a coroner's court, the coroner has said, 'We'll close out this issue, because ATSB
made a recommendation and CASA said they will do it,' and then a decade later there is has been no action. Is that an issue for the travelling public? I hear you that you were not there for that whole 10 years, but we are talking about a system now, not personalities. Is the system not working as it should?

Mr McCormick: I cannot speak for what happened in 2000. I only
got here in 2009. …

Senator FAWCETT: Mr Boyd, were you around?

Mr Boyd: Yes, but not in that position.

Senator NASH: Anybody else? Mr Farquharson? Dr Aleck?

Dr Aleck: I was in Montreal.

Creampuff: Apart from the stint in Montreal, Dr Aleck has occupied various senior management positions within CASA for an accumulated period of about 10 years to the present.
Messrs Farquharson and Anastasi, both of whom have been in CASA for all or most of the period 1999 to the present, were also at the table but, according to Hansard, remained silent.
Messrs Farquharson and Anastasi, both of whom have been in CASA for all or most of the period 1999 to the present, were also at the table but, according to Hansard, remained silent
Folks,
The comment by Creampuff is significant, perhaps the good Senators should ask about who was involved in the drafting of a CAO that completely changed the meaning of "Island Reserve", and placed specific fuel requirements on Norfolk, Lord Howe, Cocos etc. --- in 2000, or thereabouts, as a reaction to the Seaview Royal Commission.

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And what would the correct answer be, in your view? If someone was "involved in the drafting" of a CAO, s/he can have no reasonable objection to being identified as such.
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Another piece of Ben's good work. Somehow appropriate to this thread?

Dreamliners: A failure of effective public administration? Ben Sandilands | Feb 10, 2013 10:59AM | EMAIL | PRINT


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It may not be the first thing that comes to mind in the Dreamliner crisis, but there is an argument that could see the botched if not fudged certification of the Boeing 787’s battery system as part of a more generalized failure of public administration on a global scale.
Big call? Let me try to explain in too few words.
There has been immense, and justifiable pressure in recent decades for public administration, which includes aviation regulators, to be less wasteful and more efficient.
Which is critical to having a globally competitive economy, where taxation and regulation are ripe targets for cut backs.
But the weak point in this desirable outcome may be that instead of cutting back in inefficiency in executing necessary public policy, there has been a concurrent move to reduce the scope of regulation, thus reducing the task load of regulation, whether in banking, pure food acts, building standards, and ….transportation, whether by truck, ship, or aircraft.
It could be argued that in this process the selection of senior management in public service functions has moved more to the criteria of meeting key performance indicators skewed in favor of reduced public responsibilities and thus reduced public officials charged with carrying out those responsibilities.
One consequence of this would be to reward public administrators who cut the wages bill rather than deliver better public policy execution.
In reaching that result the temptation, if not overt policy instruction, has been to permit increasing levels of self regulation, which in banking in the US, UK and EU, lead to an orgy of corrupt, vicious, and outrageously indulgent and dishonest behavior, of the type that in the US has been largely forgiven, and on the other side of the Atlantic, appears to be largely if somewhat slowly subject to fiercer prosecution of corporations and individuals.
In the case of the Dreamliner 787, there were other issues as well, including doggedly willful dishonesty in Boeing which relied on PR to set engineering and performance targets and delivery dates while the company gutted itself of old fashioned and costly technical expertise, all the while pretending to be a great American enterprise, yet shunting risk and reward and even design to overseas partners who were not only incompetent in some cases, but inadequately supervised. (To paraphrase Boeing itself on these failings.)
Some of the immediate consequences of this has been the botching of the 747-8 program, to the extent that the aircraft haven’t yet attained brochure parity in performance, and fly with systems that suppress or ‘alleviate’ handling deficiencies arising from a job badly done.
(We are promised the full 748 products sometime in 2014, assuming the various refinements gain FAA approval. Which might be harder than assumed before the 787 grounding.)
Many observers and analysts have pointed out that the outsourcing of such things as valid design data to the aircraft manufacturer by the FAA, in order to assist certification of particular airliners, has been going on for a long time.
But has it been as incompetent or even dishonest or rushed, or at the very least, as indulgent and unquestioning as it has been in the case of 787?
The FAA is now investigating its past behavior in this matter. Will it say ‘Oh shucks, we really tried to do everything right, and this is all such a shock.’ Or will it come to a different view. At the moment it is not apparently in any hurry to go for ‘Oh shucks ….’. The most recent indications are that it regards the deficiencies in the lithium ion batteries as something to be addressed thoroughly rather than hastily, even though Boeing has let it be known that it can come up with an interim fix even before the causes of the mid January grounding are fully understood.
Boeing may be asking us to fly on blind trust in this respect. Why should it be trusted? Given the record of this company in relation to the 787 project, why should it be trusted with anything?
The second part of this situation in the open ended review of the certification process, meaning its integrity and it is clearly open to discovery as to what else might have been botched or fudged in the data and claims about other aspects of the 787 design in its materials, systems and quality of construction, scattered as it is across most of the northern hemisphere and even to an extent in Australia.
The writer may seem a little angry on this topic. The American side of my family including some who worked for Boeing in the 707 to early 747 times. When I first visited my roots on that side in the mid 60s I was going to get my riveting tools and rock up to Renton to work on the greatest birds made in peace time, since I was still legally a dual national, but restlessness took me on, through that great country, to connect with other roots.
I am bitterly, angrily ashamed of what these looter-taker managers have done to Boeing . It is inexcusable.The rebirth and restoration of this company to the place generations of people in the Pacific Northwest worked to send it is needed, and any amount of babbling on by the apologists will not help shift it back to where it should be.
But I digress. There are severe failings in public administration in our societies, with scandalous underperformance and lack of transparent air safety regulation and investigation in this country.
Whether it is a matter of robber bankers, or the selling out of Australia’s disease free status in agriculture and livestock on the sacrificial altar of free trade, or weak big pharma friendly drug oversight, our public service objectives have been corrupted and undermined.
Efficiency in public administration must not mean weakened standards. The goal must be better administration, not less effective administration.
Be it in the FAA, or EASA, or CASA.
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There are severe failings in public administration in our societies, with scandalous underperformance and lack of transparent air safety regulation and investigation in this country.
Whether it is a matter of robber bankers, or the selling out of Australia’s disease free status in agriculture and livestock on the sacrificial altar of free trade, or weak big pharma friendly drug oversight, our public service objectives have been corrupted and undermined.
Efficiency in public administration must not mean weakened standards. The goal must be better administration, not less effective administration.
Be it in the FAA, or EASA, or CASA.
Thank you Ben. There is no more urgent call . .. .a call that should be heard from all the roof tops. Over and over until .. . . . . . . the cock goes in the pot?
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MOIE # 1040 –"So although The Skull has been around 5 years, he takes no responsibility? As for the others who have been at CASA ranging from 12 - 20 years and who conveniently deflected Senator Nash's probing, they don't get off so easy I am afraid. Anybody in those positions and who has been in CASA for that length of time would have had a say and had influence in decision making. No high level decisions are made without consulting with others, so the 'hand washing' by these guys is laughable.
The sad part is the 'willing accomplice', those who sit back counting the days, even "tut tut" in your kitchen, then sneak back to the office to pen the 1700 special. The CASA fifth column should be given the opportunity to speak up, without fear or favour. The 'good uns" seem to toddle off into obscurity, quietly shaking their heads over a beer, rightly scared of speaking out. The "ring of iron" is supported by those who know better, that are too scared, apathetic or even happy to go along with a blatant, overtly corrupt culture need to be dragged out, named and shamed.

We pay for a service to the public – not to service some bloody Minister. I don't how some of these people can shave every day, take wages and have the brass neck to appear in public, pontificating on safety. Bollocks – they know it, I know it.

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Efficiency in public administration ?

In reaching that result the temptation, if not overt policy instruction, has been to permit increasing levels of self regulation, which in banking in the US, UK and EU, lead to an orgy of corrupt, vicious, and outrageously indulgent and dishonest behavior, of the type that in the US has been largely forgiven, and on the other side of the Atlantic, appears to be largely if somewhat slowly subject to fiercer prosecution of corporations and individuals.
I have always been a firm supporter of Ben's views, but in this case I believe he misses the point. Not only has self regulation been applied to "industry" but also to "regulators" globally, hence
lead to an orgy of corrupt, vicious, and outrageously indulgent and dishonest behavior
. When the AG, the Ombudsman, ICC, ACCC, Ministers, et al (their own departments qualify) blatantly disregard warnings from respective industry, statistics and individuals it is an indication of not just inadequacy but full blown corruption. Would the allegations against the PM just be an isolated case?

Efficiency in public administration must not mean weakened standards. The goal must be better administration, not less effective administration. Be it in the FAA, or EASA, or CASA.
"Efficiency in public administration" a bit of an oxymoron, but say it was possible, certainly not by more legislation/regulation. Maybe its time to get some professionals in their respective fields, there for their knowledge and dedication to the particular industry and not just for the $$$'s. It took me a while to understand why the CASA building(s) were referred to as "handbrake house" must be those new "carbon"brakes? Very effective

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The issue is 'accountability'. Why do you see organisations such as Occupy Wallstreet? The banks, congress, government do as they please with no recourse, justice, punishment or accountability. They act with impunity and immortality. If these suckholes worked for themselves or a real business they would crumble like a cheap deck of cards! Oh my god they would scream, we actually have to be account for what we do??

It's time to introduce accountability into CASA. Remove the veil of protection, make the executives fully liable and accountable for mistakes, malfeasance, bullying, corruption, deceit and perjury. Make them stand before a Judge, police or simply the laws of the land that should apply to all people and not be discarded for just a handful of individuals. Remove the heavily fortified ring of steel that protects them and then we will see just how big their kanackers real are. Put them in the ring with an even set of rules and even gloves and lets see how tough they are then, rather than hiding behind their big brother protector like the spineless, weak pathetic trough dwellers that they are.

The times are changing, the troops grow restless and the showdown is looming. Society is cyclic and has endured militants and dictators for thousands of years, but push the people to far and see what happens. We are seeing that escalation right now..

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Tea and biccys Friday??

Senator Nash: Joke.."Did you hear the one about the $150,000 dollar taxpayer funded pot plant?"...gold Fiona pure gold!!

Now tea, biccys and maybe a snort of chardy over lunch??

Schedule for Friday's hearing has been posted: Senate Committees – Parliament of Australia
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"Ave, Imperator, morituri te salutant"

Comedy hour or two. Dutifully convened at a salubrious watering hole this afternoon were the Bar Room Barristers; all awaiting the Senate Estimates. STAR of the show, Fiona Nash and the "pot plant" saga, hereafter to be known as the best laugh, stuff of legend and plain old ordinary "we gotcha" ever. The crew is still rolling about the floor. Brava, Lady – Bravo!!

If you missed it – I can't help that. What she said of course is, we know, down to cost of maintaining your plants, exactly what you are about. The confusion was priceless, the response – hilarious. Nearly as funny as Beaker asking "what?, what's a mid air? - followed by two minutes of "fluff" until a paper was provided for him to read.

Priceless, PLEASE if any one recorded the estimates session this pm, with the parts involving "He who will not be shamed" and "Beaker", put it up for the boys and girls who were working; I still can't even construct a cohesive sentence without laughing.

No horse power in the Senate eh?.... Dream on. Friday, bloody Friday.

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Doomed for a certain term to walk the night,
And for the day confined to fast in fires,
Till the foul crimes done in my days of nature
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I could a tale unfold, whose lightest word
Would harrow up thy soul, freeze thy young blood,
Make thy two eyes, like stars, start from their spheres,
Thy knotted and combined locks to part
And each particular hair to stand an end,
Like quills upon the fretful porpentine:
But this eternal blazon must not be
To ears of flesh and blood. - List, list, O, list!"
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Popcorn, circus acts, magic tricks and pineapples...

Indeed, what a line up, perhaps it should be called 'The Beaker And The Muppets Show'? It's an amazing line up of uselessness, there will be more spin than a Texas tornado. Not to mention comments such as 'I wasn't in that position back then' or 'I was based in an office further up the corridor back then'!
Can we take bets as to who takes the first question on notice? Or perhaps who deflects first to the person on his left?

I can't wait to see the Beaker offload his tautological ramblings of how he knows better than James Reason. Then you have Terry trying to remain quiet during question time (mainly because these old types get worn out easily during a big day out!). Then you will have Anustasi and the Richard Dreyfuss lookalike plying their well crafted trade and creating some incredible magic tricks aimed at diverting attention. And Mr Skull, will he retain his poker face while having a pineapple inserted or will he wince the way his staff do when they see his Friday Hawaiin shirts? And don't forget the FF version of 'faceless men' - Herr Boyd! The egg shaped player who has made hiding beneath the radar an art form. I hope the Senators give him some quality stage time. After all he did lead Team ASOP during their '2 year, 30 unfinished projects at a cost of several million dollars' failure. Oh my how Mr Skull was most unimpressed!
And Hoody, dear Hoody, out to enjoy his final swan song before the Senators prior to joining ASA? Will his buddies truly sacrifice this lamb or will the Senators act the part of a loyal Sheperd and rescue him from the pack?

And finally, with all these old farts together in one place, will Australian aviation safety remain safe while the top echelon are busy in the senate? Too bloody right, the skies will be temporarily even more safe!
Hopefully the Senators will schedule in rest breaks for the old geezers, supply them with Bex, soft lollies and a cot so they can take a nanny nap during the day. It is very important that we care for the elderly.

So step right up folks, ringside seats available, this could well be the farewell tour, a never to be seen again performance. The trapeze act will be thrilling!

P.S The GWM have opened the betting booth and taking bets as we speak. The first bets are being taken for which Nupty will be sporting a red power tie to remind the Senators who has the biggest kanackers, or which one will be wearing a carefully selected soothing blue tie to help show the Senators they come in peace? Personally I would dress them in a yellow, beige or pooh brown, but hey, I don't have a PHD in tautology so what would I know??
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Barrier?

Anybody have any info on whether Barrier is flying. I was wondering if it would get brought up at estimates or on Friday?
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Halfmanhalftimtam, A directions hearing is scheduled in SYD this Friday. No doubt FF will try to stretch the matter further, Barrier is currently bleeding around 30k per day.
But i wonder if CASA legal will be available for the SYD hearing as most are at the Senate, or perhaps in Montreal?

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Poor Beaker. He certainly looked confused about the phrase 'mid air'! He is only the head of the ATSB I guess, why would he need to know about 'mid air's'??
He would be more understanding of the words 'bonus, Montreal, tautology, Minister, spin' etc etc. It was a good thing that Darth Beaker had Sith Mrdak there to show him on paper what the Senators query was.

As for 'he who shall now be called Devo', the pot plant question was incredibly hilarious! I thought 'Devo' aka Mr Skull the pot plant man, was going to choke on his Bex!! Perhaps they are some kind of special gift pot plants that ICAO or the FAA gave Fort Fumble? Or some kind of mystical hocus pocus PNG plants that contain healing powers and soul soothing ability? Maybe they are an aphrodisiac or hold some kind or medicinal ability to heal a badly pineappled bot bot?

I can picture it now, Terry, Devo, The Doc, Adam, Herr Boyd, Sith Mrdak, Beaker all wearing pot plants on their head singing 'Working In A Coal Mine' while Big Chief Albanese plays the guitar!
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