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Dutchroll, can you get confirmation? That would be gold!
Touchnoops, what you describe is teamwork, sadly we are the enemy to be squashed. Joyce had the chance and choice. he failed.
Touchnoops, what you describe is teamwork, sadly we are the enemy to be squashed. Joyce had the chance and choice. he failed.
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Unfortunately I can't get confirmation. My understanding is that JB runs some sort of "phone in" conference type arrangement periodically where staff can ask questions and the comment was made in response to a query from a Virgin pilot about how long the business class product would take to get rolled out.
It would certainly not be an unrealistic view in any case. Everybody knows AJ is absolutely obsessed with the low cost leisure travel model, and every bloke and his dog knows AJ's low cost carrier does and will continue to cannibalise his premium brand. The world rides ups and downs of economic cycles, and whenever the next "up" occurs, he will have left QF with diddly-squat. JB should be able to fill this niche nicely with his forward planning.
It would certainly not be an unrealistic view in any case. Everybody knows AJ is absolutely obsessed with the low cost leisure travel model, and every bloke and his dog knows AJ's low cost carrier does and will continue to cannibalise his premium brand. The world rides ups and downs of economic cycles, and whenever the next "up" occurs, he will have left QF with diddly-squat. JB should be able to fill this niche nicely with his forward planning.
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I watched that movie about Senna the other night. Prost said in the interview about the rivalry with Senna at the very beginning 'He did not want to beat me he wanted to annihilate me' ... That sounds like the message the company is well and truly sending out.
Regarding the comments above re the 787 to London. Im sure AJ said the Jetstar 787-800 would have 313 seats in 2 clas configuration. What i find confusing is that ANA operating the same aircraft on international routes (Haneda/Frankfurt) will have 158 (46/112). So how do QF/Jetstar think the customers will react to been stuffed into a flying sardine can. J class cant be a lie flat bed. Secondly the A330 coming back to QF is not a 767 replacement. At Sydney domestic there are only 2 gates that can take the A330/747. There are many more 767s there generally than 2. Just another well thought out delema for QF managment.
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I fly the 330 so am happy the fleet will start expanding 
- BUT it has a parking problem domestically due to wingspan.
My point re "just" profitable routes is that they are invariably 3-4 times a week, if changed to daily [perhaps with smaller aircraft] they would end up more profitable.
Interesting thought: If a 744 operates PER-SYD domestically :
Do all the costs go to "international" but the ticket sales go to "domestic"?
- BUT it has a parking problem domestically due to wingspan.My point re "just" profitable routes is that they are invariably 3-4 times a week, if changed to daily [perhaps with smaller aircraft] they would end up more profitable.
Interesting thought: If a 744 operates PER-SYD domestically :
Do all the costs go to "international" but the ticket sales go to "domestic"?
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Dutchie said;
Apparently the other day, during his regular teleconference with the troops who can fire off questions, John Borghetti, in response to a question of whether they could accelerate the rollout of their business products to compete with Qantas, stated "don't worry - while Alan Joyce is in charge of Qantas, we have nothing to fear". Or something to that effect.
Even if only half true, it's deadly accurate!.
As I said on another thread, JB better start making some money instead of headlines. At least QF is posting healthy profits; something that can't be said for VA.
AJ must be something right.
Just a thought.
Apparently the other day, during his regular teleconference with the troops who can fire off questions, John Borghetti, in response to a question of whether they could accelerate the rollout of their business products to compete with Qantas, stated "don't worry - while Alan Joyce is in charge of Qantas, we have nothing to fear". Or something to that effect.
Even if only half true, it's deadly accurate!.
As I said on another thread, JB better start making some money instead of headlines. At least QF is posting healthy profits; something that can't be said for VA.
AJ must be something right.
Just a thought.
A shot across Aj's Bows?
ANA seeks regulatory permission to launch JV with AirAsia
Posted On: 02 Sep 2011
All Nippon Airways (ANA) officially applied Wednesday to Japan's Legal Affairs Bureau to establish its planned joint venture LCC with AirAsia to be called AirAsia Japan.
ANA said it will apply for an Air Operator's Certificate for AirAsia Japan "with the aim of beginning low-cost operations from August next year." The carrier will be based at Tokyo Narita.
ANA said it will initially invest ¥10 million in the JV, with its total investment eventually rising to ¥5 billion (US$65.1 million), giving it a 51% stake.
Kazuyuki Iwakata, ANA VP-international and regulatory affairs, was named CEO of AirAsia Japan. The LCC plans to operate both domestic and international flights.
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Posted On: 02 Sep 2011
All Nippon Airways (ANA) officially applied Wednesday to Japan's Legal Affairs Bureau to establish its planned joint venture LCC with AirAsia to be called AirAsia Japan.
ANA said it will apply for an Air Operator's Certificate for AirAsia Japan "with the aim of beginning low-cost operations from August next year." The carrier will be based at Tokyo Narita.
ANA said it will initially invest ¥10 million in the JV, with its total investment eventually rising to ¥5 billion (US$65.1 million), giving it a 51% stake.
Kazuyuki Iwakata, ANA VP-international and regulatory affairs, was named CEO of AirAsia Japan. The LCC plans to operate both domestic and international flights.
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Air Do and Skymark won't take J* Japan lying down either.
This SIGWX chart is a metaphor for AJ's strategy - a typhoon heading for a nuclear accident:
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Clark? But Clark has:
SEAir (with Tiger)
Air Phil Express (LCC of Philippine Airlines)
Air Asia Philippines
Cebu Pacific
setting up there.
Is there space for a fifth hub carrier ?!?!?!?!? QF will have to join the queue for air rights ex Clark!
SEAir (with Tiger)
Air Phil Express (LCC of Philippine Airlines)
Air Asia Philippines
Cebu Pacific
setting up there.
Is there space for a fifth hub carrier ?!?!?!?!? QF will have to join the queue for air rights ex Clark!
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On the SE Asia forum there is a thread about the above looking for A320 pilots.
On the website they have a Hong Kong and Australian phone number.
I am not a pilot and havent seen this mob b4 but it's gotta be for QF and JQ?
On the website they have a Hong Kong and Australian phone number.
I am not a pilot and havent seen this mob b4 but it's gotta be for QF and JQ?
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Originally Posted by Normasars
As I said on another thread, JB better start making some money instead of headlines. At least QF is posting healthy profits; something that can't be said for VA.
But does it bother you at all that AJ so regularly cries "poor", predicts impending doom and gloom for Qantas unless everybody agrees to work for free (metaphorically speaking), then announces a healthy profit under virtually whatever circumstances?
Both of the above phenomenon are intriguing and it certainly makes me wonder.....
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Qantas's premium Asia plan fails to lift off
As I predicted last year when it was announced, the Qantas "Asian" strategy is now in tatters.
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...h-suicide.html
Joyce will have to go. Clifford will probably have to follow. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of Asia knew that this strategy was simply handwaving with no chance of success.
Thousands of Australian businessmen have burned their fingers trying to obtain some Asian pie. Any and all of them could have told Joyce that his idea was based on ignorance of Asia.
The real issue now is that the Qantas Board and senior management have wasted precious time on this matter.
Get rid of Joyce, find a new chairman and CEO. Forget playing footsie with the former APA banker boyze and Geoff Dixon. Clean out the narcissists from senior management and start building Qantas as an Australiain airline again.
Your natural customers are Australians Qantas. How about asking them what they want and then delivering it? There are still Australians like me who felt we were "home" the minute we boarded a Qantas Aircraft in London, Frankfurt, Paris and such places.
As for offshoring maintenance, the lunacy of that will become apparent in due course.
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http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...h-suicide.html
Joyce will have to go. Clifford will probably have to follow. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of Asia knew that this strategy was simply handwaving with no chance of success.
Thousands of Australian businessmen have burned their fingers trying to obtain some Asian pie. Any and all of them could have told Joyce that his idea was based on ignorance of Asia.
The real issue now is that the Qantas Board and senior management have wasted precious time on this matter.
Get rid of Joyce, find a new chairman and CEO. Forget playing footsie with the former APA banker boyze and Geoff Dixon. Clean out the narcissists from senior management and start building Qantas as an Australiain airline again.
Your natural customers are Australians Qantas. How about asking them what they want and then delivering it? There are still Australians like me who felt we were "home" the minute we boarded a Qantas Aircraft in London, Frankfurt, Paris and such places.
As for offshoring maintenance, the lunacy of that will become apparent in due course.
QANTAS has canned plans to establish a premium airline in Asia after a financial crisis left potential partner Malaysian Airlines unwilling to risk the ambitious project.
The blow to what had been portrayed as a significant plank in the airline's international strategy leaves it still seeking a solution to weak penetration of its mainline services into Asia and falling premium market share in the world's fastest-growing aviation market.
The blow to what had been portrayed as a significant plank in the airline's international strategy leaves it still seeking a solution to weak penetration of its mainline services into Asia and falling premium market share in the world's fastest-growing aviation market.
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Hear, Hear
Sunfish.....'totally agree.
If YOU TUBE can get 60 million "views" for some brutal dictator in Africa.
Surely with the right campaign here we might be able to expose this bunch of numb nutz for what they really are:
TOTALLY INCOMPETENT
IT'S TIME!!
Sunfish.....'totally agree.
If YOU TUBE can get 60 million "views" for some brutal dictator in Africa.
Surely with the right campaign here we might be able to expose this bunch of numb nutz for what they really are:
TOTALLY INCOMPETENT
IT'S TIME!!
Hi Sunny,
Apols to Mr Kipling, for a 'slight' change.....
"The evil and the good.
Now it is not good for the Christian's health to hustle the Asian
brown,
For the Christian riles, and the Asian smiles and he weareth the
Christian down;
And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of
the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear: "A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the
East."
Says it all, really......
Cheers
Apols to Mr Kipling, for a 'slight' change.....
"The evil and the good.
Now it is not good for the Christian's health to hustle the Asian
brown,
For the Christian riles, and the Asian smiles and he weareth the
Christian down;
And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of
the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear: "A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the
East."
Says it all, really......
Cheers
----foreigner teams up with bankrupt Japanese major (JAL).
You's a bit out of date, the re-organization of JAL looks like it's been a roaring success. A rarity in Japan, real changes have been made, and JAL looks like being back in the black in 12 months.
So confident is the new management that they have just upped their 787 order substantially, and converted some of the pre-existing -8 orders to -9.
Tootle pip!!
Normasars:
I can well believe that Borghetti quote. I have close hand experience of him saying 'The longer Joyce is there, the better I look' and from a friend of a friend 'Joyce makes my job easy'.
Unfortunately for the 35,000 staff the longer Joyce is there the worse they look and the longer Joyce is there it makes their job increasingly extremely difficult.
I can well believe that Borghetti quote. I have close hand experience of him saying 'The longer Joyce is there, the better I look' and from a friend of a friend 'Joyce makes my job easy'.
Unfortunately for the 35,000 staff the longer Joyce is there the worse they look and the longer Joyce is there it makes their job increasingly extremely difficult.
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I have heard a rumour that indeed the Joyce will be soon given the soft shunt, aka f off by the investors. Lets see what the next week or so will bring.