AUGUST 24th - QANTAS
I am afraid that I cannot think of a more destructive strategy in terms of shareholder value than the one Joyce is pursuing. It fails on every possible level:
1. Alienating the workforce.
2. Running down public perceptions of brand value ( the unique selling proposition).
3. Dissemination of resources (as opposed to concentration of resources).
4. Multiple aims (as opposed to selection and maintenance of the aim).
5. Failure to build competitive advantage.
6. Inadequate cost control (proliferation of indirect costs and bad accounting policies).
I could go on.
To put it another way; how would Australians react if we were treated to a news presentation from a North Korean "Airline CEO" who announced that he was about to enter the domestic Australian Aviation market and build a full service domestic airline on the basis of "North Korean Aviation expertise" and that the huge expected profits generated were going to be repatriated to North Korean investors? Would you fly with this guy? Yeah right.
BTW, stockbrokers recommendations of a "buy" for Qantas are not only self serving, they are just plain wrong.
1. Alienating the workforce.
2. Running down public perceptions of brand value ( the unique selling proposition).
3. Dissemination of resources (as opposed to concentration of resources).
4. Multiple aims (as opposed to selection and maintenance of the aim).
5. Failure to build competitive advantage.
6. Inadequate cost control (proliferation of indirect costs and bad accounting policies).
I could go on.
To put it another way; how would Australians react if we were treated to a news presentation from a North Korean "Airline CEO" who announced that he was about to enter the domestic Australian Aviation market and build a full service domestic airline on the basis of "North Korean Aviation expertise" and that the huge expected profits generated were going to be repatriated to North Korean investors? Would you fly with this guy? Yeah right.
BTW, stockbrokers recommendations of a "buy" for Qantas are not only self serving, they are just plain wrong.
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As resquested, for those who missed it, last nights LATELINE
I wouldn't worry too much about what we find in Australia's print media today, Q is spending a fortune at the moment promoting their lies, my belief anyway . The commercial print/television media don't want to rock the boat.
What everyone may have missed, was Tony Abbott mentioning the word "Qantas" in parliament.. this in fact is a positive for our cause over the next week or so, at least he is on the record..
Oh yeah, well done SP, done good mate.
I wouldn't worry too much about what we find in Australia's print media today, Q is spending a fortune at the moment promoting their lies, my belief anyway . The commercial print/television media don't want to rock the boat.
What everyone may have missed, was Tony Abbott mentioning the word "Qantas" in parliament.. this in fact is a positive for our cause over the next week or so, at least he is on the record..
Oh yeah, well done SP, done good mate.
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I have read and heard numerous times in the recent past and in particular since yesterday’s announcement of QF’s plans the “fact” that Qantas international is a fading business, that it is losing $200,000,000 a year and that this is attributable to the “fact” that its costs are 20% higher than its competitors.
At no time have any of the politicians and particularly the press who have been handed this line indicated that they have queried these figures and asked Alan Joyce to demonstrate the veracity of his claims. They have all sheepishly believed what they have been told.
I would like to state categorically that what he is saying is absolute rubbish. I can say this as, in early 2006, at a meeting which was attended by Geoff Dixon, Peter Gregg, John Borghetti, Kevin Brown, Sue Bussell and other senior management of Qantas that AIPA representatives made what can only be described as a spectacular offer to Qantas senior management.
AIPA made the offer that Qantas Long Haul pilots would operate the 4 x A330 aircraft that were about to go to Jetstar under terms and conditions similar to the contract that Qantas Australian Airlines operated the B767s out of Cairns. The conditions were of the order of a 20 – 25% reduction in hourly rates of pay compared to Qantas Long Haul B767 rates along with concessions on scheduling arrangements, allowances, accommodation, crew rest facilities and other items. The consideration was that Qantas Long Haul pilots operate the aircraft rather than giving the flying to Jetstar.
In reply to the offer Peter Gregg (as spokesman) made a dismissive gesture with his hand and said words to the effect “Don’t even think about it, we’re not interested.”
It was clear then, and remains abundantly clear, that the whole direction that Qantas senior management were heading had nothing to do with economics and everything to do with industrial policy. What is being said now about costs is a smokescreen to cover their continuing industrial agenda.
The press and politicians have to take a stand and make Alan Joyce and the Qantas Board open the Qantas books and accounts to a public inspection and either prove what they are saying is true or accept that it is all about industrial strategies and hidden agendas.
At no time have any of the politicians and particularly the press who have been handed this line indicated that they have queried these figures and asked Alan Joyce to demonstrate the veracity of his claims. They have all sheepishly believed what they have been told.
I would like to state categorically that what he is saying is absolute rubbish. I can say this as, in early 2006, at a meeting which was attended by Geoff Dixon, Peter Gregg, John Borghetti, Kevin Brown, Sue Bussell and other senior management of Qantas that AIPA representatives made what can only be described as a spectacular offer to Qantas senior management.
AIPA made the offer that Qantas Long Haul pilots would operate the 4 x A330 aircraft that were about to go to Jetstar under terms and conditions similar to the contract that Qantas Australian Airlines operated the B767s out of Cairns. The conditions were of the order of a 20 – 25% reduction in hourly rates of pay compared to Qantas Long Haul B767 rates along with concessions on scheduling arrangements, allowances, accommodation, crew rest facilities and other items. The consideration was that Qantas Long Haul pilots operate the aircraft rather than giving the flying to Jetstar.
In reply to the offer Peter Gregg (as spokesman) made a dismissive gesture with his hand and said words to the effect “Don’t even think about it, we’re not interested.”
It was clear then, and remains abundantly clear, that the whole direction that Qantas senior management were heading had nothing to do with economics and everything to do with industrial policy. What is being said now about costs is a smokescreen to cover their continuing industrial agenda.
The press and politicians have to take a stand and make Alan Joyce and the Qantas Board open the Qantas books and accounts to a public inspection and either prove what they are saying is true or accept that it is all about industrial strategies and hidden agendas.
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Peter Reith is an ass. 
And if the mods would let me, I'd call him much worse than that. This is the same guy who, when he was a senior Minister in Government, pretty much tried to hang Angus Houston, an entirely honourable and respected senior military officer, out to dry during the "people overboard" affair. Houston simply told the truth. Reith was shown to be making it up as he went along. That's the character of the man.
I agree with Worrals. You can't just buy the Bank of India, rename it "Commonwealth Bank of Australia", and seriously play the patriot card. Likewise, a Qantas Asia with overseas employees getting paid in overseas currency on overseas labour contracts paying overseas tax to an overseas Government and using overseas goods and services is NOT Australian, even if it has the "Qantas" name painted on the side.
And if the mods would let me, I'd call him much worse than that. This is the same guy who, when he was a senior Minister in Government, pretty much tried to hang Angus Houston, an entirely honourable and respected senior military officer, out to dry during the "people overboard" affair. Houston simply told the truth. Reith was shown to be making it up as he went along. That's the character of the man.I agree with Worrals. You can't just buy the Bank of India, rename it "Commonwealth Bank of Australia", and seriously play the patriot card. Likewise, a Qantas Asia with overseas employees getting paid in overseas currency on overseas labour contracts paying overseas tax to an overseas Government and using overseas goods and services is NOT Australian, even if it has the "Qantas" name painted on the side.
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Interesting to see Bob Katter and Barnaby Joyce get right up Alan Joyce. You will move QF OS over Katters dead body, he states. He IS a Queenslander and so is QF! Things are hotting up.
Things are hotting up.
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My father flew for QF from the mid 60s until retiring in 1987. He still keeps abreast of the goings on and recently we were discussing QF's current travails - he can give numerous examples of routes that were cancelled in the 60s and 70s and 80s which were ALWAYS chocker block full. The company I work for is about to do the same thing and make a bunch of us redundant. Cancel a route that feeds another route with 280+ pax EVERY time...and they think they will still be flying the later route without the feeder route
I think, no I am sure, the last company I worked for that had REALLY good management was Talair. Dad's view is that QF have NEVER had good management at the top.
Example: Why doesn't QF have 777s? Because the company wouldn't have been attractive to APA.
I think, no I am sure, the last company I worked for that had REALLY good management was Talair. Dad's view is that QF have NEVER had good management at the top.
Example: Why doesn't QF have 777s? Because the company wouldn't have been attractive to APA.
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I have probably met your ol man up the track somewhere Chimbu. I would have to say there were a few excellent QF managers in my opinion. Capt. Bert Richie, Hamilton, Yates, Menidue, and Ward were all good operators. Certainly run rings around the present crop thats for sure. Run them past him. Was your ol man in PNG?
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Some airlines seem to be able to cope!!
Eying Qantas, Etihad talks up Aussie market
Wednesday, 17 August 2011
“We see Qantas maybe withdrawing from certain routes so we are very keen remind consumers and the travel trade that there is an alternative, a viable alternative called Etihad,” Mr Hogan told press in Sydney, calling Australia a key source of growth for the airline.
Currently, around 15 per cent of Etihad’s capacity in terms of available seat kilometres is currently dedicated to the Aussie market, the Australian reported.
And according to Mr Hogan, the carrier will be hoping to build further on its presence down under as it looks to increase its Brisbane services to be daily, and eventually commence services to Perth.
“We know that to get Brisbane where we’d like it to be, we need to go daily,” the Etihad boss remarked.
“It’s just a matter of timing.”
Mr Hogan said a focus by the airline on regions such as China would mean operations to Perth would not happen in “the short term”, according to the newspaper.
“You’ll start to see more frequency in the Middle East, more destinations and frequency into China,” he commented.
“You’ll see in the next couple of years destinations in Vietnam and more US penetration.
“So Perth will probably be around the 2014-15 mark.”
Etihad currently operates 11 weekly flights out of Sydney, daily services from Melbourne and three weekly flights from Brisbane.
Earlier this month, the carrier launched a major nationwide advertising campaign inviting Australians to“change to the best”.
Wednesday, 17 August 2011
Etihad carries 8 million passengers to 70 cities around the world
Etihad chief executive James Hogan believes global airlines will be keeping a close eye on the restructuring of Qantas’ international operations, with opportunities expected to arise from a decision by the airline to cut routes. “We see Qantas maybe withdrawing from certain routes so we are very keen remind consumers and the travel trade that there is an alternative, a viable alternative called Etihad,” Mr Hogan told press in Sydney, calling Australia a key source of growth for the airline.
Currently, around 15 per cent of Etihad’s capacity in terms of available seat kilometres is currently dedicated to the Aussie market, the Australian reported.
And according to Mr Hogan, the carrier will be hoping to build further on its presence down under as it looks to increase its Brisbane services to be daily, and eventually commence services to Perth.
“We know that to get Brisbane where we’d like it to be, we need to go daily,” the Etihad boss remarked.
“It’s just a matter of timing.”
Mr Hogan said a focus by the airline on regions such as China would mean operations to Perth would not happen in “the short term”, according to the newspaper.
“You’ll start to see more frequency in the Middle East, more destinations and frequency into China,” he commented.
“You’ll see in the next couple of years destinations in Vietnam and more US penetration.
“So Perth will probably be around the 2014-15 mark.”
Etihad currently operates 11 weekly flights out of Sydney, daily services from Melbourne and three weekly flights from Brisbane.
Earlier this month, the carrier launched a major nationwide advertising campaign inviting Australians to“change to the best”.
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Cityflyer routes to have expanded frequencies during peak business travel times, JQ to take over less profitable frequencies, after 20:00 and saturday afternoons from 14:00 and sunday mornings before 12:00.
JQ also get non Cityflyer jet routes fulltime (except WA) and operate into Canberra for the first time to HBA,OOL & TSV.
AYQ will remain the only non Cityflyer route ops by QF for the time being.
JQ also get non Cityflyer jet routes fulltime (except WA) and operate into Canberra for the first time to HBA,OOL & TSV.
AYQ will remain the only non Cityflyer route ops by QF for the time being.
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Qantas versus everyone in Canberra
Qantas hits political turbulence on Capitol Hill | Plane Talking
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standard unit - SFO was a failure for a long time. DFW even with its diversions is a huge success and is getting much better numbers.
You can't comment on routes in isolation without the figures and profitability. SFO was bleeding money, DFW is the opposite.
You can't comment on routes in isolation without the figures and profitability. SFO was bleeding money, DFW is the opposite.
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did anyone hear one "Captain Alfie" on 3AW at about 9.30 this morning??
a Qantas domestic captain flying mel-bne or syd-bne ragging out on the long haul pilots calling them greedy and saying the unions should lay down their arms..
not sure if this captain alfie is some mgmt scum but seemed like he makes regular appearances on neil mitchells show
a Qantas domestic captain flying mel-bne or syd-bne ragging out on the long haul pilots calling them greedy and saying the unions should lay down their arms..
not sure if this captain alfie is some mgmt scum but seemed like he makes regular appearances on neil mitchells show
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I don't know why QF says they can't operate to Europe profitably. SQ operates:
SIN-NRT-LAX A380
SIN-FRA-JFK 744 soon to be A380
SIN-DME-IAH 77W
SIN-ICN-SFO 77W
SIN-HKG-SFO 77W
SIN-BCN-GRU 77W (oh and they're making a killing on this. Flights BCN-GRU overbooked for weeks)
SIN-EWR vv A345
SIN-LAX vv A345
The geographical challenge SQ faces in operating from Singapore to the USA and Brazil is the same challenge which QF faces operating Australia-Europe. Thankfully though, SQ didn't just withdraw from the USA and opt to put its pax across the pacific or atlantic on codeshare partners.
MOst of the routes have been operating for decades, and many like SIN-DME-IAH and SIN-BCN-GRU are very out of the way, circuitous routes.
If a Singaporean carrier can fill flights between Spain and Brazil, two countries which Singapore has little cultural or economic ties to, why can't QF fly more than twice a day to London ?! Anecdotal evidence suggests that SQ's BCN-GRU is entirely filled with Spanish and Portuguese speakers, and the meal service is a massive pointing exercise between pax and crew!
Obviously SQ only manages to do it because they employ slave labour from Thailand on a base wage of $250 a month. Oh wait, that's not SQ is it?
SIN-NRT-LAX A380
SIN-FRA-JFK 744 soon to be A380
SIN-DME-IAH 77W
SIN-ICN-SFO 77W
SIN-HKG-SFO 77W
SIN-BCN-GRU 77W (oh and they're making a killing on this. Flights BCN-GRU overbooked for weeks)
SIN-EWR vv A345
SIN-LAX vv A345
The geographical challenge SQ faces in operating from Singapore to the USA and Brazil is the same challenge which QF faces operating Australia-Europe. Thankfully though, SQ didn't just withdraw from the USA and opt to put its pax across the pacific or atlantic on codeshare partners.
MOst of the routes have been operating for decades, and many like SIN-DME-IAH and SIN-BCN-GRU are very out of the way, circuitous routes.
If a Singaporean carrier can fill flights between Spain and Brazil, two countries which Singapore has little cultural or economic ties to, why can't QF fly more than twice a day to London ?! Anecdotal evidence suggests that SQ's BCN-GRU is entirely filled with Spanish and Portuguese speakers, and the meal service is a massive pointing exercise between pax and crew!
Obviously SQ only manages to do it because they employ slave labour from Thailand on a base wage of $250 a month. Oh wait, that's not SQ is it?
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Quote - Peter Reith is an ass. And if the mods would let me, I'd call him much worse than that. This is the same guy who, when he was a senior Minister in Government
A senior minister in whose gummint???
And what was his portfolio? And what job did he abandon his electorate/portfolio for? And what was his son doing with his phone? And what is he even back here for?
A senior minister in whose gummint???
And what was his portfolio? And what job did he abandon his electorate/portfolio for? And what was his son doing with his phone? And what is he even back here for?
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Sense a pattern here... waterside workers...Reith, Dubai plan, strike breakers, guards with dogs, IR consultants....think it speaks for itself .
Who would have thought QF would ever get to this.
Train travel is starting to look attractive within Australia.
Who would have thought QF would ever get to this.
Train travel is starting to look attractive within Australia.
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IMHO Joyce has to go. The job security we are all seeking will not come until him and his mates have left the building.
Another "Tooth fairy" statement. How would you propose this happens Steve?
Set a plan and actually serve your members... sorry is that too hard?
Another "Tooth fairy" statement. How would you propose this happens Steve?
Set a plan and actually serve your members... sorry is that too hard?
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I thought things couldn't get any worse....after watching the little irish weasel stutter and stammer on tele last night.
BUT.....
Today, a Management representative came into our briefing to proclaim:
"If you volunteer to take a redundancy (VR).....then you are saving others from suffering Compulsory Redundancy (CR)"
Que ?????
I asked him to repeat it as I was sure I was hearing things.....but no he repeated it.
So is this the new dictum from HR to get rid of people. Shame people to leave -in order to "save your fellow man (or woman)"
As I'm one of the lucky ones -who is in fact leaving...... with nothing to lose-said to him that this was yet another example of management having total and utter contempt for their loyal staff.
The result was predictable.
A smirk-then he walked out.
This whole tawdry episode is appalling and makes me ill just thinking about it. To spend $500m on setting up a business in Asia/Japan with no experience other than the debacle in Vietnam- in lieu of investing in the International product.....STINKS.
THE OPPORTUNITIES OF THE 777-GONE
THE DECISION OF JOYCE OVER BORGHETTI-GONE
"What you sow.....you shall reap!"
BUT.....
Today, a Management representative came into our briefing to proclaim:
"If you volunteer to take a redundancy (VR).....then you are saving others from suffering Compulsory Redundancy (CR)"
Que ?????
I asked him to repeat it as I was sure I was hearing things.....but no he repeated it.
So is this the new dictum from HR to get rid of people. Shame people to leave -in order to "save your fellow man (or woman)"
As I'm one of the lucky ones -who is in fact leaving...... with nothing to lose-said to him that this was yet another example of management having total and utter contempt for their loyal staff.
The result was predictable.
A smirk-then he walked out.
This whole tawdry episode is appalling and makes me ill just thinking about it. To spend $500m on setting up a business in Asia/Japan with no experience other than the debacle in Vietnam- in lieu of investing in the International product.....STINKS.
THE OPPORTUNITIES OF THE 777-GONE
THE DECISION OF JOYCE OVER BORGHETTI-GONE
"What you sow.....you shall reap!"