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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:01
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gotta agree Sf..

The big red kangaroo is about to become a stir fry...!

There will be no winners on Oz soil,,

A few of the asian airlines would be grinning...
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:02
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Pilots Lament.... The roots of aviation, its proud history, the striving for perfection daily, the pride in your airline and your flying decisions and your work etos and culture of safety, destroyed with the stroke of a pen and an ideological idiom founded in a psychotic, delusional grandiose and pompous thought from an immigrant to your country, who has no respect for all you have worked so hard to achieve. Makes me sick to the core. I beg you all to stand up for your heritage and your rights as citizens working in a defunct corporate climate that apparently does not respect where you have come from yet more importantly HOW you got there. The Qantas I know as a world leader in aviation is being imploded by an irrational series of decisions that will make your airline as we know it today Extinct. Yours is a country that has a heritage worth fighting for. To paraphrase a fellow countryman of mine.. you CAN knock the bastard off. Good luck all.
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:03
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I thought you were all well educated?.... This is globalisation at its very heart, If people gave two flying F$%ks about your last 90 years of history, if they really cared about the safety record of an airline then they wouldn't fly American, Singapore, China, Air France etc all of which have had several fatal accidents. People die of heart attacks every day yet we all still chow down on Mac Ds and indulge in excessive alcohol. If you want a good domestic airline Virgin is it... If you want a great global airline Qantas is on the right track. AJ gets paid the big bucks because he has the balls to go against the grain and do what is right...

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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:04
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Stallboy,

Sandilands has done a piece on the 787, no 777, total idiocy of th situation on his blog but its buried between about six or seven posts including all 61 questions asked by the engineers and a very savage look at how screwed up the Qantas gateway alliance thing will root the passengers and see it give away half of its Heathrow capacity. There is some good thoughtful stuff on his blog today.

For starters:

Boeing a Qantas restructuring casualty | Plane Talking

Qantas changes put it in peril, from itself! | Plane Talking
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:07
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What part of the announced changes will stop the drift of pax to SQ, EK, CX, Etihad, Gulf Air and the other premium airlines? Is transfering pax to BA and Malaysian going to achieve anything positive?
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:13
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A possible scenario after watching the 7:30 Report interview and reading this:

QANTAS will basically become a shell that complies with the QANTAS Sale Act (51% Australian owned and based in Australia) but its aircraft will be crewed from overseas (pilots perhaps on Australian licences but employed under Asian T&Cs'). The number of actual QANTAS aircraft will be quite few and only on high value routes.
The other companies in the jet stable (lets leave out QLink for the present) will be basically overseas based, overseas T&Cs', overseas based crews.

An abject lesson on how to destroy an icon for the benefit of the shareholders.

Please note that this is only a possible scenario put up for discussion.
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:17
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V of Reason: I find your thoughts both shallow and pedantic. This is a forum for mens men. Go to the wannabees and play your game there.
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:25
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Hey Head I think your wires are crossed...

I understand your frustration in realising that your not quite as smart as mum told you. Get with the play boy... AJ is doing what is right long term for Qantas.

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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:26
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The silence on Qrewroom from the most vocal antagonists now is deafening...
Perhaps Ken Borough realises he too is vulnerable to the cost cutting antics of the Leprechaun ?
Tourism & Transport Forum (TTF) Supports the move as well !
Previous TTF General manager position held by........Olivia Worth.
No conflict of interest or mates rates there?
Seriously folks, if 'business incest', nepotism or cronyism was a legal entity this mob would have their names plastered all over it. Maybe ASIC and Senator Nick can add that to their inquiry checklist ?
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:27
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The share price says it all. Opened with a rise of 3 cents and closed lower than the opening price at $1.52. Sold out with a small profit. I can't own stock in a company that's shafting me and everyone else.
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:28
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Ever seen a share price in a company drop when job losses were announced? Well I never have.....until today.
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:31
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RIP QF

Well there it
We are going to fix QF ,the so called premium product by getting more new aircraft for jokester and keep the old girls for mainline. Genius.

All they are doing is using jetstar to undercut there own staff.
Rest assured these clowns will not stop till qantas staff are unable to operate then the whole lot will be contracted back to jetstar and its bonuses all around.

Time for some serious industrial action I say
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:31
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Happens all the time, you ever traded shares?
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:34
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Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that Olivia was talking how Qantas hadn't made a pilot redundant in 40 years and pilot talk of moving jobs overseas was just scaremongering?
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:35
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Come on ALAEA you have been reading too many of AJ's press releases.

One half of one cent doesnt really rate as a fall.

The fact that 22m shares have been bought by punters who have pissed away their money does though.
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:36
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This is globalisation at its very heart, If people gave two flying F$%ks about your last 90 years of history, if they really cared about the safety record of an airline then they wouldn't fly American, Singapore, China, Air France etc all of which have had several fatal accidents.
Ian O ,
You numpty, people are still flying Qantas and writing Rainman because of the last 90 years. The idiot CEO and Leigh Clifford believe that the '90 years' can be selfishly leveraged for personal profit.
So sad.
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Just heard it will be 180 pilots to go. Very, very sad news. Will most be from voluntary redundancy?
That would be perhaps an immediate figure. QF are currently about 120 pilots surplus with a rapidly exhausting leave balance. With the latest cutbacks, the number will likely reach 500 pilots surplus over the next 2yrs.

But remember, this is not about offshoring jobs overseas, they are creating "new" jobs only overseas! Yeah right!
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:37
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Thumbs down

I should add that one of the blokes on Qrewroom did the sums and the A320 order would buy 30+ 777s.
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Ever seen a share price in a company drop when job losses were announced? Well I never have.....until today.
That is because the top layer of the 'toffee coated turd' has been licked off and the investors have tasted what is truly underneath.
Game over AJ, your days are numbered. You could cull another 10 000 employees and your share price will be headed south. The market, in fact most of Australia, can see beneath the veneer and there is no place left to hide. The ruse is exposed, the decpetion, spin and general BS is out in the open for all to see. I only hope the share price keeps heading south as that way you will be gone by years end. Go and take your Irish mentality back to a bankrupt Ireland before you bankrupt QF. Take BB with you and don't slam the door on the way out.
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Old 16th Aug 2011, 10:39
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Qantas has no "expertise" that translates to competitive advantage in Asia.
and the expertise that already exists in 2 Asian carriers just got together to announce this.

Transport Minister ACM Sukampol Suwannathat has announced he will support a Thai Airways International plan to start a no frills carrier in partnership with Singapore's Tiger Airways.


The new transport minister has also expressed his support for another proposal for Thai Airways to launch a wholly owned sister airline tentatively called Thai Wings, which would operate domestic and regional routes.


Transport Minister ACM Sukampol said he would have to look into details of both plans first but he did not expect there to be an issue if they were supported by sound business principles.


The Minister said "any legal obstacles could later be removed", referring to the Civil Aviation Department's (CAD) recent refusal to approve Thai Airways request to establish Thai Tiger Airways as a joint venture with Tiger Airways of Singapore.


“Thai Wings would focus on the light-premium segment of the market”, said Thai Airways executive vice-president Chokchai Panyayong.


CAD director general Somchai Chanrod said if Thai Wings is launched as a business unit of Thai Airways it would not need to get approval from the CAD.

A Thai Airways spokesperson said Thai Wings would initially operate services on four domestic routes and five regional ones.
Thai Airways low cost carrier going ahead - Airline News - etravelblackboard.com


Someone tell him, he's dreaming.
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