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I have to hand it to you Terry. I'd find it hard to sit in the same room as these guys and not contemplate something that would get you life in the slammer.
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A different approach...
LONDON (Dow Jones)--EasyJet PLC's (EZJ.LN) Chief Executive Carolyn McCall Tuesday criticized former management for its poor handling of pilots and conceded a pay rise to appease its strongest group of workers, who will now vote whether to accept the deal and prevent a strike threat.
EasyJet has promised pilots a 4% increase in basic pay, which will be backdated to October 1 and a further 5% increase in flight pay after lengthy negotiations with union British Airline Pilots' Association, or BALPA.
"I am going to be blunt. There has been a continued deterioration in relationships between the company and pilots and pilot representatives over the last few years," McCall said in a letter to pilots. "For whatever reasons, management lost sight of how big a difference having great people makes. It has taken its toll on how pilots feel about working for easyJet, building mistrust and a lack of respect."
Within the letter, she talked about failure in the past to meet commitments the company had made, BALPA said in a statement. The package is being put to a membership ballot that will close June 9.
Industrial action by pilots has a crippling impact on an airline's operations. Their skills aren't as easy to replace as, for example, cabin crew, and wet-leasing planes--leased aircraft that come with a full staff--is expensive.
In addition to pay increases there will also be immediate changes to a number of rostering issues "in advance of a more substantial review which already has financial support of GBP1.2 million earmarked and conversion of a number of temporary staff onto permanent contracts," BALPA said in its statement.
One of the agreements between BALPA and easyJet is for an independent review body with an independent chairperson to look at pilot work patterns.
BALPA's General Secretary Jim McAuslan, said, "This is a brave and game-changing approach. There has been some tough talking but I have nothing but praise for the imaginative move made by Carolyn McCall and easyJet's new leadership. But we all know this will not be delivered without a lot of hard work and proper support."
A spokesman for easyJet said the deal on lifestyle--covering the work-life balance and pay conditions--would offer flexibility for its workforce, providing both a mixture of fixed and rostered pilots.
The airline had previously agreed a deal with pilots that encompassed a 1% increase in pay between April 2010 and October 2010.
LONDON (Dow Jones)--EasyJet PLC's (EZJ.LN) Chief Executive Carolyn McCall Tuesday criticized former management for its poor handling of pilots and conceded a pay rise to appease its strongest group of workers, who will now vote whether to accept the deal and prevent a strike threat.
EasyJet has promised pilots a 4% increase in basic pay, which will be backdated to October 1 and a further 5% increase in flight pay after lengthy negotiations with union British Airline Pilots' Association, or BALPA.
"I am going to be blunt. There has been a continued deterioration in relationships between the company and pilots and pilot representatives over the last few years," McCall said in a letter to pilots. "For whatever reasons, management lost sight of how big a difference having great people makes. It has taken its toll on how pilots feel about working for easyJet, building mistrust and a lack of respect."
Within the letter, she talked about failure in the past to meet commitments the company had made, BALPA said in a statement. The package is being put to a membership ballot that will close June 9.
Industrial action by pilots has a crippling impact on an airline's operations. Their skills aren't as easy to replace as, for example, cabin crew, and wet-leasing planes--leased aircraft that come with a full staff--is expensive.
In addition to pay increases there will also be immediate changes to a number of rostering issues "in advance of a more substantial review which already has financial support of GBP1.2 million earmarked and conversion of a number of temporary staff onto permanent contracts," BALPA said in its statement.
One of the agreements between BALPA and easyJet is for an independent review body with an independent chairperson to look at pilot work patterns.
BALPA's General Secretary Jim McAuslan, said, "This is a brave and game-changing approach. There has been some tough talking but I have nothing but praise for the imaginative move made by Carolyn McCall and easyJet's new leadership. But we all know this will not be delivered without a lot of hard work and proper support."
A spokesman for easyJet said the deal on lifestyle--covering the work-life balance and pay conditions--would offer flexibility for its workforce, providing both a mixture of fixed and rostered pilots.
The airline had previously agreed a deal with pilots that encompassed a 1% increase in pay between April 2010 and October 2010.
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Last night David Hall, Mark Rindfleish and Ian Oldmeadow met with..
The names just make you want to throw up.
The names just make you want to throw up.
t Oldmeadow is back at it again since his Bodgie-stacked IRC days. He's a mercenary who enjoys
destroying peoples lives.
This time the Feds had better not underestimate that slimy
pr!ck.
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JQ would do well to read the report on the Air France A330 in the paper today. A 400 hr cadet placed in the situation that that young First Officer was, could have easily but not necessarily acted the same way. I have met a couple of these young blokes enthusiastic, intelligent, keen to learn, and have not a bleedin clue. And why would they. At four hundred hours most pilots should be paddock bashing, learning how to stay alive, not responsible for 200 pax plus. These awful findings could be here in this country, if this stupid trend continues. Keep them employed and send them bush, and put fully qualified F/O's with appropriate hours on type in the R/H seat, before we get a smoking black hole, and the witch hunt starts. Commonsense tells you on a 2 man crew on a A330 or A320, if one takes a bait, has a heart attack or stroke, fits, or has some sort of mental breakdown, (ALL of these incidents have happened), a 400 hr Pilot is left to land a fully laden Pax jet on his/her own. Madness. And for what, to save a dollar. If it happens I would like to see the whole board of that airline charged with manslaughter, they don't deserve anything less.
put fully qualified F/O's with appropriate hours on type in the R/H seat
How do you gain hrs on type with out flying the aircraft? A 3000+hr pilot from the bush has exactly the same number of hrs in an A320 as a newly minted cadet.
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You really are a goose, Macca!
A 400 hr cadet has 400 hrs of total experience!
A GA pilot with 3000 hrs + 400 hrs of A320 time has 3400hrs of total experience!
The maths you were taught are lacking somewhat I suggest!
Then again, you're probably a gnxr...which means you're a goose!!
QED
A 400 hr cadet has 400 hrs of total experience!
A GA pilot with 3000 hrs + 400 hrs of A320 time has 3400hrs of total experience!
The maths you were taught are lacking somewhat I suggest!
Then again, you're probably a gnxr...which means you're a goose!!
QED
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I wont be so hard on you as Amos was. A Pilot who has say 3000 hrs has developed to a degree, airmanship. Not something seen on paper, but a developed sense of what is happening around them, a ability to pick up something that is not quite right, even though there is nothing to indicate that all is not well. This cannot be developed in 400 hrs, I doubt if it can be developed in a Sim, it can only be developed over a period of time by experience. It is invaluable in the job. A example was the Emirates flight out of MEL, that was not producing enough power for take off. A very experienced Captain would have felt that in his arse for want of a better word, long before his instruments told him what was happening, he would have gone for the brakes and had a slow look around to see what was happening, in other words airmanship or experience told him something was not right, right from roll. They did not and got themselves in a right ol fix, that was lucky not to turn into a prang. No pilot is born with that ability, it has to be learnt, some learn faster than others, but most develop it to a degree. A pilot with 400 hrs on a PAX jet is a accident waiting to happen, it is unfair and unjust to expect PAX to fly with such inexperience, and ask your self would you allow your family to be on such a aircraft. There is absolutely nothing wrong with these young pilots, but to teach them on jets is plain ridiculous, they belong on twins in the bush, to learn about themselves and learn how to fly and how to handle a situation. You cannot build a brick wall without a foundation, anymore than a young pilot should be placed in a situation of which he/she has little experience, and a planeload of innocent people sitting behind him/her. Utter madness. Air France is a perfect example.
Thanks teresa green, I may not have expressed myself correctly the first time.
I have no doubt that a 3000hr pilot has better judgement than a 400hr Cadet, and I do not dispute that. From personal experience I fully agree.
I was just curious as to what you define as a
?
And also how many hrs would be
?
And where do you gain these hrs if not on Pax RPT operations?
I have no doubt that a 3000hr pilot has better judgement than a 400hr Cadet, and I do not dispute that. From personal experience I fully agree.
I was just curious as to what you define as a
fully qualified F/O
And also how many hrs would be
appropriate hours on type in the R/H seat
And where do you gain these hrs if not on Pax RPT operations?
Spot on Teresa 
I remember when I was flying I would often feel a small disturbance in "The Force"
and just know something wasn't quite right at times.
A quick re appraisal of everything would quickly find that small error before it turned into a slightly bigger one and so on.
Regarding the Air France crash, from what Ive read so far I just cannot see how despite incorrect/ or disagreeing airspeed readings, multiple system warnings , turbulence or whatever else was going on at time, unless all the AHARS had failed so no reliable attitude info, that "Power+ Attitude=Performance" couldn't be used to maintain a safe flying speed???
Still, it certainly not the first accident/major incident in an RPT jet where when it all hit the fan, the crew did not resort to the very basic principles when hand flying trying to recover from some unusual situation/attitude.
If very experienced crews cannot cope in these circumstances I hate to think what a 400 hr pilot would do.
I remember when I was flying I would often feel a small disturbance in "The Force"
and just know something wasn't quite right at times. A quick re appraisal of everything would quickly find that small error before it turned into a slightly bigger one and so on.
Regarding the Air France crash, from what Ive read so far I just cannot see how despite incorrect/ or disagreeing airspeed readings, multiple system warnings , turbulence or whatever else was going on at time, unless all the AHARS had failed so no reliable attitude info, that "Power+ Attitude=Performance" couldn't be used to maintain a safe flying speed???
Still, it certainly not the first accident/major incident in an RPT jet where when it all hit the fan, the crew did not resort to the very basic principles when hand flying trying to recover from some unusual situation/attitude.
If very experienced crews cannot cope in these circumstances I hate to think what a 400 hr pilot would do.
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A330, > FL 370, > 190 t
94.3% N1 + 3.0 Deg Pitch = M 0.80 = Turb penetration speed = safe flight
A330-200 has only two sets of numbers to remember for unreliable speed indications, FL250 - FL 370 and, above FL 370.
As said in earlier posts, airmanship and experience is the key here. Airlines managers who put low hour pilots in control of these aircraft should be charged with negligence and jailed.
A330-200 has only two sets of numbers to remember for unreliable speed indications, FL250 - FL 370 and, above FL 370.
As said in earlier posts, airmanship and experience is the key here. Airlines managers who put low hour pilots in control of these aircraft should be charged with negligence and jailed.
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Mcdonal, a fully qualified F/O would be to me, someone who had come up thru the ranks, either a Airforce or GA pilot, who had some time in a regional, FDS or freighter, had spent some time on turbo props, and had at least 500 hrs jet time. He/she would have had at least 2000 hrs all up. My logs show me at 400 hrs a chipmunk pilot delivering mail to small towns and cattle stations. The chipmunk was a single with dubious tendencies, and it was my teacher. I used to collect the mail in Isa and deliver it as mentioned above. I used to camp out at isolated airstrips, cook a meal with a little kero stove, and sleep under the wing in a swag. Seriously. A great life for a young pilot, and a great way to learn the trade. Even when I was on 747's I relished the days on the Chipmunk, strange, you spend your whole life trying to get ahead on type, and then look back and wish you had enjoyed it more! Human nature I guess.
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Amos is right
When the h*ll did Laurie/Terry and the AFAP grow a pair and decide to take on QF?
What did QF management do to to these guys in the union to make them go to court?
What's the bet they don't go through with it.
Make sure the union doesn't screw you and back down boys, as they have done to several groups already.
Bigboeingboy look to the senior long-haul pilots and blame them for the state of aviation today, the "I'm alright Jack" attitude they had is the reason we are where we are today.
When the h*ll did Laurie/Terry and the AFAP grow a pair and decide to take on QF?
What did QF management do to to these guys in the union to make them go to court?
What's the bet they don't go through with it.
Make sure the union doesn't screw you and back down boys, as they have done to several groups already.
Bigboeingboy look to the senior long-haul pilots and blame them for the state of aviation today, the "I'm alright Jack" attitude they had is the reason we are where we are today.
A 400 hr cadet placed in the situation that that young First Officer was, could have easily but not necessarily acted the same way. I have met a couple of these young blokes enthusiastic, intelligent, keen to learn, and have not a bleedin clue. And why would they. At four hundred hours most pilots should be paddock bashing, learning how to stay alive, not responsible for 200 pax plus. These awful findings could be here in this country, if this stupid trend continues.
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Fine Sue, but my point is why in a two pilot ops have a F/O with such small amount of hours, when you don't have to.You owe to the paying PAX to have two fully qualified Experienced pilots up the front, nothing less is acceptable. As far as that A330 is concerned we are only going on what the paper said not the full report, so it is only speculation at this point, but the suggestion of pulling her nose up, is, well, well what can I say.