Jetstar to start recruiting
I think the "DEFO contract" you are looking for is the publicly available 2008 EBA? With all new rates for 2012 :-) Minimum 89,880 for first 12 months, after that 98,051 pending new EBA for 2013.
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Aus
Age: 55
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
No you will be on the Flexi Line pay.
75% of the above pay. $67410
Over time after 56 hours a month at the First year FO rate divided by 787 = $114.20
Work Day off at First year FO rate divided by 231 = $389 no day in lieu double it $778
Standard Allowances.
15 Days off a month, No standby days, 7 days off in a row guaranteed.
Annual leave 6 weeks a year in blocks of months.
Only 10% of Pilots can be Flexi line so when this is reached the most senior Flexi line FO offered Full Time.
That’s it Basically
75% of the above pay. $67410
Over time after 56 hours a month at the First year FO rate divided by 787 = $114.20
Work Day off at First year FO rate divided by 231 = $389 no day in lieu double it $778
Standard Allowances.
15 Days off a month, No standby days, 7 days off in a row guaranteed.
Annual leave 6 weeks a year in blocks of months.
Only 10% of Pilots can be Flexi line so when this is reached the most senior Flexi line FO offered Full Time.
That’s it Basically
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Planet Earth
Age: 40
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Anyone on the actual Flexi-Line Contract care to comment if its actually a rort and you get shafted out of extra coin?? Or is it as per Jetstar being flat out 99% of the time everyone is coin over 56hrs per month and making the same if not more than the EBA guys??
My gut tells me it is prob a rort but be interested to hear from some people on the actually contract or who know people who know some that are??
Cheers
My gut tells me it is prob a rort but be interested to hear from some people on the actually contract or who know people who know some that are??
Cheers
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: australia
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Think about it for a moment, the company wants and gets 10% of the pilots on a lower base (56hrs) to even out the peaks and troughs and people actually think they will get more than 56hrs in the 8 or so quiet months each year.
Thats the plan anyway and we all know how good Jetstar is at executing a plan.
I have heard that HR is spinning to new recruits that they will get paid more on flexi so it is a reasonable question. Just realise Jetstar HR lies regularly
Thats the plan anyway and we all know how good Jetstar is at executing a plan.
I have heard that HR is spinning to new recruits that they will get paid more on flexi so it is a reasonable question. Just realise Jetstar HR lies regularly
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Planet Earth
Age: 40
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Anyone able to PM me a roster.. I guess a DRW one would be good as that's most likely where u get sent. But anywhere would suffice.. I hear that new EBA the ush from management will be for everyone on Flexi-Line as was the old Ansett way.. Just a question of how low it is I guess....
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Auztraya
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
All that glitters.....
Info to digest for all those considering Jetstar DEFO or cadet.
Spoke to a J* Capt who told me during the week he flew with an F/O (cadet) whose gross last month was $2200, take home $1700. !!!.
I believe all new F/O'S join on flexiline and there could be months like above....or less!!!.
Thumbs
Spoke to a J* Capt who told me during the week he flew with an F/O (cadet) whose gross last month was $2200, take home $1700. !!!.
I believe all new F/O'S join on flexiline and there could be months like above....or less!!!.
Thumbs
I just can't see that as being true with the Cadets on $59,000 base salary plus all the other EBA increments. The current crop of cadets are not paying anything back for training and simply have a 3 year bond. So even with no overnights, no overtime etc they would bring home at least $4900 per month.
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: gold coast QLD australia
Age: 86
Posts: 1,345
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If it helps. I have three kids that fly, 2 with QF 1 with JQ. They all agree on one thing, both companies are Arseh$^#s, probably JQ is the bigger AH, but is far more likely to around in ten to twenty years time. Take your pick. 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Earth
Age: 14
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Spoke to a J* Capt who told me during the week he flew with an F/O (cadet) whose gross last month was $2200, take home $1700. !!!.
I just can't see that as being true with the Cadets on $59,000 base salary plus all the other EBA increments. The current crop of cadets are not paying anything back for training and simply have a 3 year bond. So even with no overnights, no overtime etc they would bring home at least $4900 per month.
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Auztraya
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I just can't see that as being true with the Cadets on $59,000 base salary plus all the other EBA increments. The current crop of cadets are not paying anything back for training and simply have a 3 year bond. So even with no overnights, no overtime etc they would bring home at least $4900 per month.
Others here might be able to verify the 3 month deal with flexiline.
$59k gross is yet to be taxed and and wouldn't equate to $4900/month take home.
Thumbs
Thumbs,
Yep sorry, I did mean to say 'gross' not take home. I hadn't considered that J* could offset good months again bad months to pay less in the lean months. Kind of makes sense though. Although surely this is just a case of budgeting then, you know that your average gross is not going to be less than $4900 so if you have a really busy month and bring home well in excess of this then surely you have to put a bit aside for the lean month.
Yep sorry, I did mean to say 'gross' not take home. I hadn't considered that J* could offset good months again bad months to pay less in the lean months. Kind of makes sense though. Although surely this is just a case of budgeting then, you know that your average gross is not going to be less than $4900 so if you have a really busy month and bring home well in excess of this then surely you have to put a bit aside for the lean month.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Planet Earth
Age: 40
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If there guaranteeing 55hrs a month surely they have to honour that.. Otherwise guarantee 165hrs over three months..
If that is the case def will not be taking that ****e offer.. How the hell can people expect to pay a mortgage with that kind of fluctuation.. Anyone who agrees to this do ur homework. Because no doubt when it's not busy you will only get the min hrs and that's what ur lifestyle needs to based around..
Also with the flexi line are they still expecting you to cough up for the endo?
If that is the case def will not be taking that ****e offer.. How the hell can people expect to pay a mortgage with that kind of fluctuation.. Anyone who agrees to this do ur homework. Because no doubt when it's not busy you will only get the min hrs and that's what ur lifestyle needs to based around..
Also with the flexi line are they still expecting you to cough up for the endo?
Yep, I think we are getting a little confused, from memory the flexi line contract guarantees 150 hours per quarter with the overtime rate each month kicking in at 55 hours (which is not guaranteed). I hadn't thought about them 'averaging' the hours over the three months so you could do 80 hours in the first two months which would satisfy the 150 hours in that quarter meaning in month three they could publish you a roster with NO flying on it. I had assumed they would roster 50 hours per month minimum, but then again we are dealing with Jetstar here!
Guys the flexi line agreement is posted on the AFAP website.
There is nothing about averaging hours over three month periods that I can see.
While a ****e deal if you are a junior FO, it's a pretty good deal if you're a senior Captain or checkie.
So horses for courses really.
If you don't like it, don't sign it. If Jetstar can't find the guys to sign it, they will amend the deal on offer just like they did with Jetstar group contracts.
There is nothing about averaging hours over three month periods that I can see.
While a ****e deal if you are a junior FO, it's a pretty good deal if you're a senior Captain or checkie.
So horses for courses really.
If you don't like it, don't sign it. If Jetstar can't find the guys to sign it, they will amend the deal on offer just like they did with Jetstar group contracts.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Planet Earth
Age: 40
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Does anyone know what the Pilot body will move for once the EBA expires this year.. Will the Flexi Line be altered or abolished?? Or given that the JPC are the ones who voted it in it will prob stay.. Surely they need to bring in restrictions against making any new hires taking it.. If there are older senior Capts or Checkies who are happy with it then by all means.. But making a brand new F/O sign up as well as paying for an endo in the first 33 months is a bit of a joke.. More so that the fact the senior pilot body are happy to let this be the case..
Originally Posted by Captain Biggles84
a bit of a joke
TA-DAH!
