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I don't get it!!! Our Chief Pilot put out a very nice e-mail this morning stating what an excellent contract this is. I noticed a few things wrong though, he stated that these pilots would be worked to 850 hours per year and would therefore actually be earning the same as an EBA pilot!! Then he went on to say that they had to call it a 'part time' contract as they were only guaranteeing 600 hours per year...... so which one is it??? 
If they fully expect to work these pilots 850 hours just pay them a decent 'full time' wage. Also if this new contract is so similar to the EBA and if they fully intend to honour the EBA as stated in the email, then why are they bothering with the this new contract at all. He also says that there would still be new EBA commands and that nothing would change before he then says these new pilots would be promoted on merit when the Group Commands are required. Could it be that my CP is being less than honest with me??? 
Confused??!!
If they fully expect to work these pilots 850 hours just pay them a decent 'full time' wage. Also if this new contract is so similar to the EBA and if they fully intend to honour the EBA as stated in the email, then why are they bothering with the this new contract at all. He also says that there would still be new EBA commands and that nothing would change before he then says these new pilots would be promoted on merit when the Group Commands are required. Could it be that my CP is being less than honest with me??? Confused??!!
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AH - Superannuation guarantee, workers comp premiums, annual/sick/URTI leave.
If two pilots, an EBA, and and a jetstar group pilot fly the same hours, they may well receive the very similar in-hand deposited in their bank accounts for 850 hours. However, what goes into the superannuation account will be different at the end. The EBA pilot will also have more leave days.
"Part time" is simply semantics to claw back from the every possible dollar legally entitled to a pilot from the Air Pilots Award 2010 & the superannuation legislation. j
The contactablity & inability to leave "home base" on days off without the express consent of crewing make this a draconian contract, enslavement in the truest sense of the word. Free time is literally at the companies pleasure.
If two pilots, an EBA, and and a jetstar group pilot fly the same hours, they may well receive the very similar in-hand deposited in their bank accounts for 850 hours. However, what goes into the superannuation account will be different at the end. The EBA pilot will also have more leave days.
"Part time" is simply semantics to claw back from the every possible dollar legally entitled to a pilot from the Air Pilots Award 2010 & the superannuation legislation. j
The contactablity & inability to leave "home base" on days off without the express consent of crewing make this a draconian contract, enslavement in the truest sense of the word. Free time is literally at the companies pleasure.
The bottom line is the EBA IS THE MINIMUM!!!
Any Pilot wearing a Jetstar uniform, flying a Jetstar VH registered aircraft and receiving a salary from Jetstar, must be employed and protected by the EBA.
If a company can agree to an EBA, then start another company to bypass it what is the point?
If the company feels the need to employ part time pilots it must be negotiated and included in the provisions of the existing EBA.
Anything other than this is a farce, and clear contempt for every system Australia has in place to protect its workers.
If Gillard doesn't have the balls to do something about this, then it's time someone did!
Any Pilot wearing a Jetstar uniform, flying a Jetstar VH registered aircraft and receiving a salary from Jetstar, must be employed and protected by the EBA.
If a company can agree to an EBA, then start another company to bypass it what is the point?
If the company feels the need to employ part time pilots it must be negotiated and included in the provisions of the existing EBA.
Anything other than this is a farce, and clear contempt for every system Australia has in place to protect its workers.
If Gillard doesn't have the balls to do something about this, then it's time someone did!
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Every Group -
Qantas LAMEs
Jetstar Engineers
Qantas Pilots
Jetstar Pilots
CC, Ramp staff and the the rest
- need to negotiate clauses in their upcoming EA's known as a contractors clause to prevent this rubbish. It is central to the LAME and Pilot disputes already and this maggot of a mob will abuse the system if we don't fight together for the protection.
Qantas LAMEs
Jetstar Engineers
Qantas Pilots
Jetstar Pilots
CC, Ramp staff and the the rest
- need to negotiate clauses in their upcoming EA's known as a contractors clause to prevent this rubbish. It is central to the LAME and Pilot disputes already and this maggot of a mob will abuse the system if we don't fight together for the protection.
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Dear 17 year old me,
You are dreaming of becoming a professional airline pilot.
You eat, sleep and talk of nothing but becoming a proffessional Airline pilot.
There mere sound of an aircraft makes you look to the skies and smile that goofy smile...
Dear 17 year old me,
You are studying harder than ever to ensure you pass your Maths, Physics and English because without it, you cannot become a Professional Airline Pilot. Your staying up til 2 am every night because calculus just isn't sinking in... But in the back of your mind, you can almost see yourself as that Professional Airline Pilot..
Dear 17 year old me,
Your working as many hours as you can get at that minimum pay job because you know you need another $4000 to get your unrestricted licence. You feel you don't have a great social life (because you can't help but realise that the 100 bucks your mates are p!ssing up the wall every weekend is another hour towards your dream) But you don't mind too much, you know that when you reach your goal at the end, you can then have the social life you are watching your mates enjoy
Dear 17 year old me.....
In 17 years time, the words Proffessional and pilot can no longer be used together in the same sentence.... You will end up back on minimum wage and feel completely saddened at the fact that you have wasted the best years of your life on a dream that has been killed by only a handful of sadistic bars
turds.
Dear 17 year old me.....
Stop wasting your life! go have the fun with your mates, buy that car that you are dreaming about owning (you have the money in your account) go to uni or take up a trade, start looking at the mines!!!! You have only one shot at life, and your youth will pass in the blink of an eye. When you become a REAL proffessional, buy yourself that plane - you'll have it before your 30!!
If you're 17, once was 17, about to turn 17 or know someone who is, was or is turning 17 and considering becoming a (ahem) proffessional Airline pilot, pass this onto them, stick it on your facebook profile.... Don't let them fall to the prey that is Onestar!!!
You are dreaming of becoming a professional airline pilot.
You eat, sleep and talk of nothing but becoming a proffessional Airline pilot.
There mere sound of an aircraft makes you look to the skies and smile that goofy smile...
Dear 17 year old me,
You are studying harder than ever to ensure you pass your Maths, Physics and English because without it, you cannot become a Professional Airline Pilot. Your staying up til 2 am every night because calculus just isn't sinking in... But in the back of your mind, you can almost see yourself as that Professional Airline Pilot..
Dear 17 year old me,
Your working as many hours as you can get at that minimum pay job because you know you need another $4000 to get your unrestricted licence. You feel you don't have a great social life (because you can't help but realise that the 100 bucks your mates are p!ssing up the wall every weekend is another hour towards your dream) But you don't mind too much, you know that when you reach your goal at the end, you can then have the social life you are watching your mates enjoy
Dear 17 year old me.....
In 17 years time, the words Proffessional and pilot can no longer be used together in the same sentence.... You will end up back on minimum wage and feel completely saddened at the fact that you have wasted the best years of your life on a dream that has been killed by only a handful of sadistic bars
turds.
Dear 17 year old me.....
Stop wasting your life! go have the fun with your mates, buy that car that you are dreaming about owning (you have the money in your account) go to uni or take up a trade, start looking at the mines!!!! You have only one shot at life, and your youth will pass in the blink of an eye. When you become a REAL proffessional, buy yourself that plane - you'll have it before your 30!!
If you're 17, once was 17, about to turn 17 or know someone who is, was or is turning 17 and considering becoming a (ahem) proffessional Airline pilot, pass this onto them, stick it on your facebook profile.... Don't let them fall to the prey that is Onestar!!!
Woooopsie!!
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No, I was correct.... Calculus had me up til 2am, english had me up til 3.....
My apologies for my ingrish, I am trying to read the inundation of emails to a certain cp MR and varmin DH at the same time of writing my post....
My apologies for my ingrish, I am trying to read the inundation of emails to a certain cp MR and varmin DH at the same time of writing my post....
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Who knows, maybe Jetstar envisage these guys working full time??
Roughly speaking, for every 100 full time pilot they can have 150 part timers. Fast forward a couple of years when new aircraft start arriving (787s). The Jetstar model is so successful they couldn't possibly give back the A330s to Qf.
Says J* management- "So are you j* guys interested in flying full time?" "Hell yes!", is what I think will be the answer. Well then its done- a nice shiny fleet consisting of A320, A330 and now B787s with a cheap pilot workforce ready to go with no new hires and only retraining onto Boeing required for the lucky few.
Now over to Qf mainline. Current situation- As yet no 787 payscales has been discussed at the negotiating table as it's arrival "is years away". Plus job security clauses are a no no.
Says Qf management "Well sorry guys- there's no job security clause to speak of and all your long service leave and other strategies to deal with the pilot surplus has been exhausted. So its 90 hr flexi lines or another round of redundancies. What's your pick?"
Please tell me I have an over active imagination!
Roughly speaking, for every 100 full time pilot they can have 150 part timers. Fast forward a couple of years when new aircraft start arriving (787s). The Jetstar model is so successful they couldn't possibly give back the A330s to Qf.
Says J* management- "So are you j* guys interested in flying full time?" "Hell yes!", is what I think will be the answer. Well then its done- a nice shiny fleet consisting of A320, A330 and now B787s with a cheap pilot workforce ready to go with no new hires and only retraining onto Boeing required for the lucky few.
Now over to Qf mainline. Current situation- As yet no 787 payscales has been discussed at the negotiating table as it's arrival "is years away". Plus job security clauses are a no no.
Says Qf management "Well sorry guys- there's no job security clause to speak of and all your long service leave and other strategies to deal with the pilot surplus has been exhausted. So its 90 hr flexi lines or another round of redundancies. What's your pick?"
Please tell me I have an over active imagination!
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So its 90 hr flexi lines or another round of redundancies. What's your pick?"
With respect to the part-timers, there are several advantages. From a straight financial perspective, they are probably making a quite a few dollars from the endorsement (GST rebate, + $10,000 over the Alteon list price).
Then there's the over-supply. It is in managements interests to flood the market with FO's, increase supply, drive down the price. Observing the European experience this exactly what has occurred.
They could then offer a crewing services to client airlines (specifically allowed in the contract) - with experienced pilots, and skim a nice little profit, money for jam.
Given the low base pay, I can see every incentive for jetstar to operate as a pilot training machine, churning out as many fools as they can get through the door. It works for them in so many ways, giving them a large pool of hungry pilots.
Right on the money , Brekkyburrito. They are pursuing a strategy of "Make a business from Dreamers"....those who pay get to play.
The Management risk however are the gates they cannot control. They have already tried to put Check Captains on contracts....CASA apparently won't allow it as CCs must be full time employees of the AOC Holder.
But then again, Training captains are voluntary positions and they are paid less than CCs...perhaps they could be forced onto contracts (except for the EBA provisions for training captains). No Training Captains willing to train contractors= No Contract Pilots.
Our greatest hope (and biggest risk) in all this lies with the Training and Checking Department.
The Management risk however are the gates they cannot control. They have already tried to put Check Captains on contracts....CASA apparently won't allow it as CCs must be full time employees of the AOC Holder.
But then again, Training captains are voluntary positions and they are paid less than CCs...perhaps they could be forced onto contracts (except for the EBA provisions for training captains). No Training Captains willing to train contractors= No Contract Pilots.
Our greatest hope (and biggest risk) in all this lies with the Training and Checking Department.
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Breakfastburrito, exactly, again spot on.
The sooner cadets release this the better, they are paying a percentage on their own wage. This is a rort.
They simply want a glorified training camp at the same time running around passengers.
With respect to the part-timers, there are several advantages. From a straight financial perspective, they are probably making a quite a few dollars from the endorsement (GST rebate, + $10,000 over the Alteon list price).
They simply want a glorified training camp at the same time running around passengers.
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Opportunity Cost..
After 8 years, after beginning training, they've finally paid off their 320endo and now have a 137k FEE-HELP debt to deal with!!
Have they thought about how they are going to live??
Not a pretty sight, and according to the Jet* Group Contract.. whatever that is supposed to mean... their FEE-HELP debt will increase into perpetuity as they wont be earning enough to make substantial reductions!
Can anyone PM the Jetstar Group Contract (Team Jetstar....)? to me..
Have they thought about how they are going to live??
Not a pretty sight, and according to the Jet* Group Contract.. whatever that is supposed to mean... their FEE-HELP debt will increase into perpetuity as they wont be earning enough to make substantial reductions!
Can anyone PM the Jetstar Group Contract (Team Jetstar....)? to me..
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JQ Recruitment?
There was an add on afap the other week that jetstar was accepting applications for FO positions and the deadline was Monday the 13th of feb.
Anyone have any new's on how many they are looking at hiring? Bases? (Probably Darwin)
Anyone hear anything or having interviews in the near future?
Anyone have any new's on how many they are looking at hiring? Bases? (Probably Darwin)
Anyone hear anything or having interviews in the near future?
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Would also love to see the DEFO contract if someone in the know would be kind enough to PM me...