Renamed & Merged: Qantas Severe Engine Damage Over Indonesia
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A few posters here critical of the ALAEA and our public position.
We are not going to sit around with our heads in the sand like Qantas and CASA hoping this problem goes away. The causes of their maintenance issues have been put in place over the last few years and they will continue until this alcoholic comes out and admits that it has a problem.
Happy birthday Alan and crew.
We are not going to sit around with our heads in the sand like Qantas and CASA hoping this problem goes away. The causes of their maintenance issues have been put in place over the last few years and they will continue until this alcoholic comes out and admits that it has a problem.
Happy birthday Alan and crew.
Nunc est bibendum
I was with QF engineering (Line Maint) from 1966 to 2006 and I can't recall an uncontained engine failure occurring on a QF a/c during that time.
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Don't fly on the 'A' of any aircraft!!!
Sunfish, I logged well over 4000 hours in 8 years on the venerable Lockheed C130A model and they were brought into RAAF service in 1958. One of them is still flying (former A97-212) in the USA, still with the Aeroproducts 3 blade propellers. Some aircraft 'A' models last.
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Regardless of the bickering, lets all acknowledge not a bad job for four or so "overpaid bus drivers" (circa Bob Hawke 89') or 20 years later "jumped up blue collar workers" (circa Buchanan 2010"). A job well done to both the A380 and 747/400 skipper's and crew.
Let there be no more.
Let there be no more.
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Pick your fights then Fed Sec. If this was a design flaw in a near new engine then it has f**k all to do with the issues that concern you and your members. You are playing a PR game, pure and simple.
You probably have real beefs with QF, but when you dishonestly argue about safety you do a disservice to people who actually believe in safety. You are about as impartial as a Boeing rep commenting on the A380.
I don't work for QF or have an association with them; but I would say that the public line you have taken in this incident will put you head to head with QF managers with long memories and bruised egos and they will work three times harder to fight you and your members now. Maybe if you'd kept your mouth shut or said that while we have issues with QF, it is too early to draw conclusions on the outcome etc etc you may have done your members more favors.
You probably have real beefs with QF, but when you dishonestly argue about safety you do a disservice to people who actually believe in safety. You are about as impartial as a Boeing rep commenting on the A380.
I don't work for QF or have an association with them; but I would say that the public line you have taken in this incident will put you head to head with QF managers with long memories and bruised egos and they will work three times harder to fight you and your members now. Maybe if you'd kept your mouth shut or said that while we have issues with QF, it is too early to draw conclusions on the outcome etc etc you may have done your members more favors.
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Overpaid Bus Drivers.
That statement by Bob Hawke was not only a derision of pilots, it also was a backhander for professional bus drivers, whom in an earlier life I'm sure the "Silver Haired Boofhead" had represented via the ACTU. 
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Lester Burham, you sir need to go read some history. ANYBODY who worked for QF,TN,AN, would acknowledge that from the 60s or so QF had, without a doubt, the best engineering unit in the world. The was a scramble from high school students so inclined, to get a guensey there, a future for them in any airline in the world awaited. They spat out top quality apprentices year after year, they trained many apprentices from OS including Bangladesh, Singapore, India, QF engineering was on top of its game, bigtime. Then came Strong, a little bit of cost cutting here, and little bit of cost cutting there, the engineers started to get nervous, they were signing out aircraft, that they would not have previously done so, they did not like it. Then BIG DADDY arrived. Dixon. The best and only way to descibe it was a bull in the china shop. Its all about the shareholders he screamed, and the Engineers stood by helplessly as they watched their traditions and values, their work ethics slowly disappear down the gurgler. Now this sounds all very dramatic, but ask any engineer over 40 yrs about his apprenticeship, about his work ethics and he will tell you its all gone to sh%t. I am not a union man, but if any union had a reason to complain then the engineers union come out on top. You expect these blokes to sign out aircraft that they would not have done 10 years ago, its on their shoulders, if a aircraft malfunctions, and gives the tech crew a almighty headache, and believe me, there is nothing like a headhunt done in a airline, in comparison to any other industry. So before you condemm, put yourself in their shoes, they deserve better, and hopefully this might be a turning point, in getting engineering back up to scratch, acknowledging the work, all the work, is better done in this country. It worked before.
Plenty of armchair experts suggesting that outsourcing maintenance to third party providers is standard practice the days. You know the names recently SQ, LH, CX etc for Qantas work.
But why doesn't any media type ask, But is this right?
Is it right to have the results of QF2, 72,30,74, 32 and now it seems the 6. All occurances over the last few years, roll along without questioning the decisions of outsourcing?
The words from those lost in all of this, are those with the skills, ie Engineers and pilots. And no one is happy with direction that Messers Joyce, Clifford and the remainder of the board are steering.
Perhaps more attention to the main game here of Qantas as opposed to ramming the benefits of the Jestarisation of everything down everyones throat, would be a more prudent approach from the board and ceo.
And this is not a crack Jetstar per se, but the focus of the entire senior management for the last 5+ years has certainly not been on Qantas and the good people of qantas. They are all driven by one thing, their bonus. They don't believe in Qantas and what it use to stand for.
The results lately are pretty damning.
But why doesn't any media type ask, But is this right?
Is it right to have the results of QF2, 72,30,74, 32 and now it seems the 6. All occurances over the last few years, roll along without questioning the decisions of outsourcing?
The words from those lost in all of this, are those with the skills, ie Engineers and pilots. And no one is happy with direction that Messers Joyce, Clifford and the remainder of the board are steering.
Perhaps more attention to the main game here of Qantas as opposed to ramming the benefits of the Jestarisation of everything down everyones throat, would be a more prudent approach from the board and ceo.
And this is not a crack Jetstar per se, but the focus of the entire senior management for the last 5+ years has certainly not been on Qantas and the good people of qantas. They are all driven by one thing, their bonus. They don't believe in Qantas and what it use to stand for.
The results lately are pretty damning.
Is this complete rubbish ?
Thanks for the thoughts on the mathematicians.
I am assuming this report on today's Advertiser in Adelaide
Richard de Crespigny, Qantas's Captain Marvel | Adelaide Now
is in part made up by the Daily Telegraph in London. Would the captain's wife really tell them the contents of her text messages ?
Michael
I am assuming this report on today's Advertiser in Adelaide
Richard de Crespigny, Qantas's Captain Marvel | Adelaide Now
is in part made up by the Daily Telegraph in London. Would the captain's wife really tell them the contents of her text messages ?
Michael
From the source in the above post:
and in so doing has done more for Qantas PR than any CEO or spokeswoman in recent years.
For a long time after he guided QF32 safety, Captain de Crespigny addressed passengers personally and spent 20 minutes answering their questions in the terminal. He even gave some his personal mobile number and told them to call him if they had any problems or issues.
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QF pilots are getting good at the PR thing... lotsa practice these days. As far as the Trent's go, how many people reading this know that QF doesn't own those engines, but pays by the hour for their use direct from RR?
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Where is Albanese
Who cares where Albanese is. The dipstick would not know anything about aviation except what he is told to sprout. Unfortunate as it is, Qantas will never get back to the great days where it was the Australian Government Airline and there were no shareholders to satisfy. As for engineers signing off aircraft they would not have done in days past, if that is true, we all have to be concerned. Like TG, I'm no union man but if engineers are being forced into releasing aircraft they consider below par they need to dig in their heels and demand it stop. I'm sure any pilot worth his/her salt would expect no less and be supportive of his/her engineering staff.
