Renamed & Merged: Qantas Severe Engine Damage Over Indonesia

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Did the other Alan disclose how much the airline were paying him?

[Red Jet]

I'm not sure if that (swapping) is still the case.

I had the good fortune to come across the 787 flight test team for a/c 4, over in Victorville recently and a couple of very nice flight test engineers took some time out of their schedule to show us around their new baby. I asked that very question - are the engines gonna be swappable? - and they responded that it is just a matter of software update and a Rolls engine equipped aircraft, can come out of the workshop the same day with an engine of your choice. As mentioned, the engines are all electrical (no bleed air) and the wiring looms are identical, the engine mounts are the same, so unless Rolls Royce gets on top of this quickly, they may find themselves OUT of the Dreamliner game as operators abandon ship and goes with the competition. I would not like to own Rolls Royce stock if that comes to fruition.

[B772]

Groaner.

Do not forget some B727-100/200's were re-engined with RR Tay 600 series engines. Also engine positions 1 and 3 on some B727-200's were fitted with larger diameter higher-bypass JT8D-200 series engines.

[teresa green]

Pleased to hear times have changed Spotted reptile. They never gave a tinkers curse before, and I doubt if they still do.

[bushy]

I wonder how many hours those engines had run in their two years of service.

[SpannerTwister]

Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs

A jet I have flown had two overspeed protection systems; one electric and one mechanical. Either would shut down the engine if the front end (N1) became disconnected from the back end (N2). The electric overspeed protection system was MEL-able. That may be the situation here.

Capn Bloggs, You obviously have no barkin' idea how a multi-spool gas turbine engine works. Day 1 of Basic Gas Turbine theory, and they would of told you that there IS NO CONNECTION between the "front end (N1)...the back end (N2)...."

Originally Posted by FMU

The fact that the engine "command" wiring was cut, and the engine kept operating, although at idle power, comfirms the integrity and robustness of the engine and the FADEC system. The aircraft was NOT at all close to a double engine shutdown.

IMHO this is actually a far bigger problem then the uncontained turbine failure. Can you imagine a situation (in flight) where there is leaking fuel, that is tending to run towards a running engine, but is being carried away by the airstream ? Now imagine landing and having that leaking fuel streaming into a running engine that you had not been able to shut down ? Say like China Airlines Flt 120 in 2007 ? S.T

[The Chaser]

ST ... yup, add to that ... i'll bet more than few are/have been thinking about the what if's of outa control assem thrust, and what it might do to a very large Airbii fin/rudder
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..... did anyone notice the rudder position after the players and umpires had retired hurt after leaving the foamie SIN pitch

and ... before the peanut gallery start:-

Reuters Pictures

46 of 58

... I'm sayin' #1 in this case was not runnin' away ... at least not on roll-out .... the upper rudder is showin' near enough to full opposite . Thank the (insert deity of choice) ...that it (Vert Stab and Rudder) performed as per the tin instructions prior to and after touchdown ....
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Yeh Yeh ... hat ... coat .... door

[Rose_Thorns]

Little control

I would bet a hard earned dollar that the No1 engine was at climb power, and remained at climb setting during the in flight events after the failure on No 2. Been wrong before, but??..

Makes it just a bit better than well done lads.

[Selfloading]

Originally Posted by Rose_Thorns

I would bet a hard earned dollar that the No1 engine was at climb power, and remained at climb setting during the in flight events after the failure on No 2. Been wrong before, but??..

Makes it just a bit better than well done lads.

Qantas may resume A380 operations within 48h

Quoted from the above if you don't want to read the whole thing.

Joyce confirms that in yesterday's incident the crew were unable to shut down the A380's number one engine after making their emergency landing back at Singapore, but he says that up until that point the engine had responded to control inputs normally

[Galley Raider]

Just heard that RR is grounding SIA A380 fleet.

[peuce]

From the previously quoted story:

He (Joyce) says that there were "three experienced captains" on board flight QF32. The operating captain has told Joyce that throughout the incident he remained "fully confident that there were no issues with the safety of the flight".

Well, that's great. Why was I pooing my pants after all?

Note to Mr Joyce: from a SLF's point of view, when I see:

• Exploding engine
• Flames out of said engine
• Bits falling off said engine
• Sundry parts impailed in wing
• Sundry parts of wing missing
• Dodgy engine control system on remaining engine on that side
• Trailing stream of fuel
• Overweight landing
• Suspect hydraulics
• Bursting tyres on landing

I think I'm entitled to feel a little doubt about my personal safety.
And don't tell me the PIC wasn't sweating bucket loads!

If it's so "safe" ... why don't you fly your A380s with only 3 engines all the time.

Reality Check Time Mr Joyce. Admit it. Fix it and move on.

[breakfastburrito]

Galley raider, your on the money.

Singapore Airlines crew refuse to fly A380 after oil found in turbine
CONCERNS over the future of Rolls-Royce powered A380s took a new turn this morning after one of Singapore Airlines big jets was grounded at London's Heathrow airport.

Heraldsun.com.au was told the crew refused to fly the jet which was due to take-off at 8.30am (AEDT) for Singapore after oil was found in one of the jet's turbines, the same problem that was detected at the weekend on three engines that were removed from Qantas jets.

The forced grounding came about at about the same time as another A380 owned by the same airline left Sydney for Singapore.

First reports suggest that passengers who were due to depart from London were told that engine-maker Rolls-Royce had placed an embargo on its now-suspect Trent 900 engine which was designed for the A380, the world's biggest airliner.

The grounding comes after Qantas said last night it had cleared the backlog caused by the grounding of its A380 fleet.
(story continues)...

Source: Courier Mail

[The Chaser]

Thanks Trent972, that makes more sense!

[appex]

Te aircraft in question is in the air now according to the SQ web site. Sounds like irresponsible reporting from the paper.....

Any other info?

[lesluxford]

According to SQ's website this flight departed around 3 hours late at 1AM GMT today

[Going Nowhere]

Found another crew perhaps?

[noip]

peuce,

At the risk of sounding cavalier, which I do not intend to be,

Why was I pooing my pants after all?

Because sadly, too many people pay too much attention to Hollywood's fantasy world of exploding aircraft.

And don't tell me the PIC wasn't sweating bucket loads!

the PIC wasn't sweating bucket loads

He and his crew were just doing their jobs (as demanding as that was at the time). At some point, no doubt the Check Captains were accused of smuggling the Simulator Control panel on board to make the check harder.


If you'll excuse the mini Advertisement for the profession:

Whilst this scenario had the potential to have a significantly different outcome, it didn't. A combination of redundant engineering in today's aircraft, procedures and trained pilots resulted in a safe outcome.


And to illustrate WHY this is a serious incident, something from history:

In 1977 I think it was, a C-141 starlifter was taking off at maximum takeoff weight towards the West (the mountains) from Richmond. As he became airborne, one of his inboard engines exploded, taking out the other engine on the same wing and starting a cargo fire. He remained airborne in ground effect on the Nepean River, then was able to fly a sort of downwind over the flat land to the South of Richmond whilst being given directions by a C-130 overhead and an eventual successful landing. He was so low his radio aids were not receiving.


Well trained and paid technical expertise (ie Pilots and Engineers) are an essential part of the operational formula. Neglect them at your peril.


Thanks for listening.

N

[Jetsbest]

Now SIA re-ground them?

ABC News Radio is now reporting that SIA has grounded an A380 in each of SYD, MEL and LHR. The report goes on to say that passengers were de-planed after boarding due to the urgency of the decision.

Makes ya think!

[NAMD]

It makes me think that people who don't really know what they're doing are running around holding bits of paper and bumping into each other. Stop the plane! Get the pax off! Get on the plane! Wait! No? Go! Come back!!

While the people that do know what they're doing are busy trying to get to the bottom of this. Hopefully in a bit of peace and quiet.

[WorthWhat]

Singapore Airlines grounds A380s for engine changes.

The fallout from Qantas's A380 mid-air emergency has escalated after Singapore Airlines today took three of its superjumbos out of service to replace their Rolls Royce engines.

Singapore Airlines grounded the aircraft for "precautionary engine changes" over concerns raised during inspections, an airline spokeswoman said today.

One aircraft in Melbourne, one in Sydney and another in London have been forbidden to fly until the engines are replaced.