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Mods, many good You tube videos get lost into the history pages. Is there any chance of setting up a generic sticky that holds them all once they get past a certain date or something similar?
Just an idea. Its a shame to see them disappear given that many new members may benefit from them.
Just an idea. Its a shame to see them disappear given that many new members may benefit from them.
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Spotl- Thanks for the youtube upload
Does anyone know what exemptions to CAO 48 has Casa granted to J* ?
EDIT: Also what concession does J* have to perform to meet these exceptions
IF the 42, 000 is incorrect where did it come from?
EDIT: DW just heard BB say that it was the based on the minimum hours stipulated.
Does anyone know what exemptions to CAO 48 has Casa granted to J* ?
EDIT: Also what concession does J* have to perform to meet these exceptions
IF the 42, 000 is incorrect where did it come from?
EDIT: DW just heard BB say that it was the based on the minimum hours stipulated.
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I have just been sent this intelligence
Monique you must report this to management, direct to Buchanan and Joyce and advise the committee, I would suggest Nick Xenophon.
You have all our support!!
The kelpie
Threats
Just a heads up, Monique Neetson-Lemkes just got a threatening anonymous letter in her Sydney crew room pidgeon hole. Its says:
" You have had your 15 minutes of fame now be prepared for 15 minutes of hell."
It obviously wouldnt be from her peers as every cabin crew supports her stand on this.
Just a heads up, Monique Neetson-Lemkes just got a threatening anonymous letter in her Sydney crew room pidgeon hole. Its says:
" You have had your 15 minutes of fame now be prepared for 15 minutes of hell."
It obviously wouldnt be from her peers as every cabin crew supports her stand on this.
You have all our support!!
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A wee prediction, if I may, regarding the next gambit:
Airline CEOs to be seen rubbing shoulders with the great and the good, kissing babies and rescuing puppies in some third-world slum. It will of course all take place under the gaze of the cameras.
This will be an attempt to rehabilitate the public image, recently taken a battering in the Senate and the media, and will be at the behest of a PR adviser engaged for the task. Get out and mingle with the common folk; that's the ticket.
If I turn out to be right, strong stomachs will be needed among the readership!
Airline CEOs to be seen rubbing shoulders with the great and the good, kissing babies and rescuing puppies in some third-world slum. It will of course all take place under the gaze of the cameras.
This will be an attempt to rehabilitate the public image, recently taken a battering in the Senate and the media, and will be at the behest of a PR adviser engaged for the task. Get out and mingle with the common folk; that's the ticket.
If I turn out to be right, strong stomachs will be needed among the readership!
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During Mr Borghetti's interview he stated that Virgin as a whole was not having trouble recruiting experienced pilots.
Why then would they be starting a Cadetship
?.
Someones been bull****ing.
Why then would they be starting a Cadetship
?.Someones been bull****ing.
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Net AUD Pay for J* Cadets: average 850hours p/yr
Factoring in CPI 3% per year (no clause in NZ contract for yearly adjustments)
Yr 1: $25,522
Yr 2: $24,624
Yr 3: $23,751
Yr 4: $30,971
Yr 5: $29,914
Yr 6: $28,887
This is after they incur $213,000 in debt training.....
Anyone worried??
Factoring in CPI 3% per year (no clause in NZ contract for yearly adjustments)
Yr 1: $25,522
Yr 2: $24,624
Yr 3: $23,751
Yr 4: $30,971
Yr 5: $29,914
Yr 6: $28,887
This is after they incur $213,000 in debt training.....
Anyone worried??
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It is precisely because of the $213,000 debt that the cadets must accept these rates of pay, this is debt bondage. New and creative ways will be found to further indebt these cadets throughout their careers to keep them on the hook. Welcome to the first world slave trade.
Source:wikipedia
Anyone signing on the dotted line has literally mortgaged their lifetimes future labour to the Qantas group from which they will profit handsomely.
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Debt bondage is classically defined as a situation when a person provides a loan to another and uses his or her labor or services to repay the debt; when the value of the work, as reasonably assessed, is not applied towards the liquidation of the debt, the situation becomes one of debt bondage
Anyone signing on the dotted line has literally mortgaged their lifetimes future labour to the Qantas group from which they will profit handsomely.
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Maybe on the regionals you'd put up with it! But flying an A320 >m.75 not sure if the pax would be impressed with who is up front! The majority of the cadets are 19-20 years old, are they really going to be in the RHS in 18months????
Chance's of the cadets leaving after they have sufficient ICUS time to unlock their ATPL??
Chance's of the cadets leaving after they have sufficient ICUS time to unlock their ATPL??
Kelpie have you any knowledge on the timetable for the final report? In case anyone thinks that the whole thing has been a complete waste of time there have already been changes at J* because of the inquiry. All of a sudden new EBA commands have been announced because they realise that flogging the pilots is attracting public attention. I even had a passenger ask me how long my duty had been as they got off!
I also think that there won't be any "toughen up princess" emails sent out. The only thing that will allow the situation to return to pre-inquiry times is apathy by all pilots.
As for the anonymous letter sent to the J* F/A who spoke before the committee it is just an example of how low some people can go. I doubt that it has come from J* the organisation but her testimony has obviously touched a raw nerve with someone. I would not be surprised if it results in a police investigation.
I also think that there won't be any "toughen up princess" emails sent out. The only thing that will allow the situation to return to pre-inquiry times is apathy by all pilots.
As for the anonymous letter sent to the J* F/A who spoke before the committee it is just an example of how low some people can go. I doubt that it has come from J* the organisation but her testimony has obviously touched a raw nerve with someone. I would not be surprised if it results in a police investigation.
Anyone in the know in JQ advise as to whether they have announced positions for both captain's and fo's for JQ Australia in the last few days?
Possible chances for the hold file boys to get on the Aussie EBA?
Possible chances for the hold file boys to get on the Aussie EBA?
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I believe that particular cabin crew member is also known for exaggerating situations, so perhaps a grain of salt could be taken with that event. I find it hard to believe that someone would be so stupid to write that to her.
But if it is true, I hope it is sent to the police to address this situation, and the appropriate workplace bullying notification given to HR.
But if it is true, I hope it is sent to the police to address this situation, and the appropriate workplace bullying notification given to HR.
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Chance's of the cadets leaving after they have sufficient ICUS time to unlock their ATPL??
There are only two exceptions: the first is those with wealthy families who can "buy them out", the second, another operator pays the "transfer fee" (balance). I find the second option highly unlikely.
As you can see, the instant the ink is dry on the training contract, the game for them is over for these cadets.
But where will they go? J* won't employ them on the EBA, QF I doubt will employ them after leaving J*, VB will have their own cadets/GA DE. So if they want to be in an airline in Australia it's Tiger or a regional...
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So even thou Jetstar are directly involved with the recruitment process and conduct the final 1hr interview of the cadets (they cut 12 from the 26 OAA had selected for the program), they accept no risk whatsoever...
If the cadet gets all the way to the end of his/her line training and for some reason cannot get to the required standard in the required time set by jetstar, they bear the total cost of the entire program without a job...!
Fill me in as this does not seem right at all...
If the cadet gets all the way to the end of his/her line training and for some reason cannot get to the required standard in the required time set by jetstar, they bear the total cost of the entire program without a job...!
Fill me in as this does not seem right at all...
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they accept no risk whatsoever...
If the cadet gets all the way to the end of his/her line training and for some reason cannot get to the required standard in the required time set by jetstar, they bear the total cost of the entire program without a job...!
Fill me in as this does not seem right at all...
If the cadet gets all the way to the end of his/her line training and for some reason cannot get to the required standard in the required time set by jetstar, they bear the total cost of the entire program without a job...!
Fill me in as this does not seem right at all...
Those that fail to due their due diligence are in for the shock of their lives. As I said, the instant the ink from their signature is dry on the contract, the $$ meter starts and it get progressively harder to walk away from the ever increasing accumulated debt.
Why anyone would sign up for this deal is beyond me.
So is it at all possible that once this reality becomes apparent to the first few cadets in the system that the word will get around and fewer people will apply?
I have mentioned before that all this is an experiment by Onestar to see if they can make it work and to see how low they can go. If numbers are insufficient they will tweak the package to make it more attractive by tiny increments. At the same time VB and Tiger will be watching closely to see how it works. If they can copy it they will.
I have mentioned before that all this is an experiment by Onestar to see if they can make it work and to see how low they can go. If numbers are insufficient they will tweak the package to make it more attractive by tiny increments. At the same time VB and Tiger will be watching closely to see how it works. If they can copy it they will.
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Lets hope these initial cadets figure it out and speak up before they sign the dotted line!
Its seems that they haven't done their homework at all, just happy to use all their FEE-HELP on flying and worry about all that later...
READ the contract guys and gals, look at the monopoly provider that you are paying for training... I know you are told you might be a fully fledged FO in 6 years BUT how many of you will even make it?
You could really make the rest of your life a serious challenge... If the airline's are going to offer cadetships they need to seriously re-evaluate the Terms and Conditions!
All of you that are participating now and not speaking up are ruining it for your mates and those to come.. We need a fix!
Its seems that they haven't done their homework at all, just happy to use all their FEE-HELP on flying and worry about all that later...
READ the contract guys and gals, look at the monopoly provider that you are paying for training... I know you are told you might be a fully fledged FO in 6 years BUT how many of you will even make it?
You could really make the rest of your life a serious challenge... If the airline's are going to offer cadetships they need to seriously re-evaluate the Terms and Conditions!
All of you that are participating now and not speaking up are ruining it for your mates and those to come.. We need a fix!