Progress on the Road to Damascus
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Progress on the Road to Damascus
Progress on the Road to Damascus.......
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Jetstar is recruiting to First Officer positions and may be advertising new Command positions over the course of 2010. The selection criteria for Jetstar First Officer positions can be found at www.jetstar.com. The selection criteria for Jetstar Command vacancies will be published at the time that the Command vacancy concerned is advertised. Anyone interested in one of these opportunities, will need to be familiar with the terms of the Qantas/Jetstar MOU......
Qantas and Jetstar have agreed on a set of arrangements to facilitate the processing of applications by Qantas pilots under the MOU for vacancies that might arise in Jetstar over the remainder of 2010.....
Jetstar & Qantas will use the established ‘letter of preference system’ to maintain a list of pilots who want to be considered for vacancies arising in Jetstar under the MOU. Letters of preference should indicate whether you are interested in a First Officer or a Command vacancy and the initial bases that you would accept a position in. The preference list will be made available to Jetstar and as vacancies arise for Qantas pilots covered by the MOU, Jetstar will consider applicants who have registered a preference. The lists will also be used to allow Qantas to filter the applicants for MOU coverage and to assist Jetstar in planning its recruitment.......
Qantas and Jetstar have agreed on a set of arrangements to facilitate the processing of applications by Qantas pilots under the MOU for vacancies that might arise in Jetstar over the remainder of 2010.....
Jetstar & Qantas will use the established ‘letter of preference system’ to maintain a list of pilots who want to be considered for vacancies arising in Jetstar under the MOU. Letters of preference should indicate whether you are interested in a First Officer or a Command vacancy and the initial bases that you would accept a position in. The preference list will be made available to Jetstar and as vacancies arise for Qantas pilots covered by the MOU, Jetstar will consider applicants who have registered a preference. The lists will also be used to allow Qantas to filter the applicants for MOU coverage and to assist Jetstar in planning its recruitment.......
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Don't forget, there's plenty of A320/A330 endorsed guys in Qantas. If the MOU affords them enough seniority for a command I'm sure a few guys would be interested.
I don't think you'll see many junior S/Os going across as A320 F/Os forking out for an endorsement and taking a paycut. If they had wanted to join Jetstar instead of Qantas during the past few years they probably would have done so.
I don't think you'll see many junior S/Os going across as A320 F/Os forking out for an endorsement and taking a paycut. If they had wanted to join Jetstar instead of Qantas during the past few years they probably would have done so.
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I was under the understanding its only for guys pre 2004 anyway??? So it wont affect the recent joiners anyway ...(junior s/o's etc)
I would be surprised if any guys at all come across, especially if they have to resign from the mothership...
I would be surprised if any guys at all come across, especially if they have to resign from the mothership...
Quite right pigdriver, it is only pre-2004 guys.
And yes, the (ridiculous) requirement to resign from Mainline in order to take a JQ command will definitely put most people off the idea.
And yes, the (ridiculous) requirement to resign from Mainline in order to take a JQ command will definitely put most people off the idea.
Are we going to Damascus? I always wanted to go there. Will it be the 400 or 330?
Current FO's can take a command under the MOU (why the f would you, but that is for another thread) but would need to resign from Qantas after three years to remain with Jetstar or return to Mother and take your chances.
SO's (or even FO's) who transferred for a FO position and were subsequently offered a command upgrade would need to resign to take it.
It is such a good deal I think they will be swamped with applicants - not.
Current FO's can take a command under the MOU (why the f would you, but that is for another thread) but would need to resign from Qantas after three years to remain with Jetstar or return to Mother and take your chances.
SO's (or even FO's) who transferred for a FO position and were subsequently offered a command upgrade would need to resign to take it.
It is such a good deal I think they will be swamped with applicants - not.
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We'll See
The last time there were vacancies under the MOU these same predictions were made (probably by many of the same people). When it all came out there were more applicants than openings. I predict the same this time. Because it doesn't suit YOU doesn't mean it won't suit others. More applicants than openings says my crystal ball.
Agreed Tinne Tim.
From what I have heard and seen, there have been plenty of applicants so far and plenty willing to take up position in the Star.
A great opportunity for Qantas Group Pilots.
From what I have heard and seen, there have been plenty of applicants so far and plenty willing to take up position in the Star.
A great opportunity for Qantas Group Pilots.
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And so the reason for AIPA's blinding push for the right of return issue to be sorted in their favour becomes apparent.
A win in the court will open up any new vacancies in the main cities to be filled by MOU pilots from Qantas. The more senior F/O's in Jetstar who have been painting a few direct entry captains as the "enemy" may wish to reconsider the true motivation of AIPA. And by the way, it will be less likely you get a command in your current location
or anywhere else on mainland Australia. The best you can hope for is a cheap upgrade in the land of the long lost sheep.
A win in the court will open up any new vacancies in the main cities to be filled by MOU pilots from Qantas. The more senior F/O's in Jetstar who have been painting a few direct entry captains as the "enemy" may wish to reconsider the true motivation of AIPA. And by the way, it will be less likely you get a command in your current location
or anywhere else on mainland Australia. The best you can hope for is a cheap upgrade in the land of the long lost sheep.
I would suggest everyone look at Europe and see the future...especially the Lufthansa strike in April. The pilots are NOT the enemy. This is a step in the right the direction, don't knock it.
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The 'more senior F/O's ' who fly A330's gifted to them by QF, who undercut their colleagues to get work and have been pilots in 'the Qantas group' for periods up yo two thirds less then exisiting mainline A330 Captains, will also have opportunities to transfer to QF should they desire.
This could prove very useful when Bruce outsources the B787 flying away from both existing pilot groups.
This could prove very useful when Bruce outsources the B787 flying away from both existing pilot groups.
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I agree with t/layer and pigdriver. I still cant imagine to many QF guys resigning and moving to Darwin. As thats where all the advertised positions will be. Then having to pay for a rating/retraining etc...Sure there maybe alot of junior guys who would like to go to J*, but as its only open to the pre 2004 QF guys, I personally cant see that many jumping.
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AIPA is only fighting for the wishes of the clear majority of the JQ pilot group when it comes to right of return i.e. strict seniority. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no conspriracy.
The MOU was in force when they joined so its not like the rules have been changed half way through the game.
The more senior F/O's in Jetstar who have been painting a few direct entry captains as the "enemy" may wish to reconsider the true motivation of AIPA.
The MOU was in force when they joined so its not like the rules have been changed half way through the game.
I just don't get it!
Experienced jet pilots and high time Turbo-prop Captains resign from secure jobs to go to VA and take a (significant) pay cut, with no prospect of advancement!
QF pilots now at the top of the local pyramid, also resign and take a pay cut, head for lower T&C's, Some paying for the privilige, presumably because "COMMAND" may be brought forward a few years? Not that long ago an "apprenticeship" at QF was accepted as a good high paying career!
Before he eventually moved to the RHS, a friend of mine was an S/O on the 747 Classic for 5 years, earning approx $140K P/A. Not the highest paid S/O in QF, but certainly not the hardest worked either!
Has the World gone mad? Or are Australian pilots as gullible and impatient as airline managers give them credit for?
QF pilots now at the top of the local pyramid, also resign and take a pay cut, head for lower T&C's, Some paying for the privilige, presumably because "COMMAND" may be brought forward a few years? Not that long ago an "apprenticeship" at QF was accepted as a good high paying career!
Before he eventually moved to the RHS, a friend of mine was an S/O on the 747 Classic for 5 years, earning approx $140K P/A. Not the highest paid S/O in QF, but certainly not the hardest worked either!
Has the World gone mad? Or are Australian pilots as gullible and impatient as airline managers give them credit for?
maybe mohikan, however your numbers re length of service in the group might be a little out. The most junior 330 fo in qantas has been in the company more than 9 years. He is then followed by a bunch with more than +10 years. As for command versus length of service in the group, well lets not go there.
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Warren9,
AIPA is fighting to keep the RoR pilots in Darwin so that they cannot move to the main cities, thus creating the vacancies in "places nicer to be in than Darwin".
These vacancies in "places nicer to be in than Darwin" will be filled by QF MOU pilots.
The net result is ALL the Jetstar pilots miss out.
AIPA is fighting to keep the RoR pilots in Darwin so that they cannot move to the main cities, thus creating the vacancies in "places nicer to be in than Darwin".
These vacancies in "places nicer to be in than Darwin" will be filled by QF MOU pilots.
The net result is ALL the Jetstar pilots miss out.
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AIPA is NOT fighting to keep anyone in Darwin.
At the request of it members (and the wider JQ pilot body sentiment) AIPA is trying to overturn a right of return policy that was implemented by Jetstar with absolutely no consultation whatsoever.
AIPA is NOT fighting to keep anyone in Darwin.
At the request of it members (and the wider JQ pilot body sentiment) AIPA is trying to overturn a right of return policy that was implemented by Jetstar with absolutely no consultation whatsoever.
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Jetstar seems to be attracting the customers . . . paraphrasing from below:
- JETSTAR has laid claim to the title of the third-biggest international airline servicing Australia
- Passenger numbers increased nearly 100% year on year
- Continuing to "close the gap" with Qantas by carrying 310,000 international passengers in February compared with Qantas international's 462,000
- Leading the growth in the group's domestic operations with a 13.7 per cent rise in passenger numbers
Jetstar's overseas growth doubles: travel recovery
The Weekend Australian – 27/28 March 2010
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
JETSTAR has laid claim to the title of the third-biggest international airline servicing Australia after impressive growth in February international passenger numbers that were 91.3 per cent higher than a year ago.
The doubling in size of Jetstar's international arm underscores the growing presence of low-cost carriers, which now account for more than one in five flights on Australian overseas routes.
The Jetstar figures and an overall 14.2 per cent rise in Qantas Group February passenger numbers also bode well for the recovery of the travel industry generally and will step up competition with rival Virgin.
Qantas reported yesterday that it was filling more seats on its planes across the group and that yields were continuing to improve. Group traffic rose by 3.8 per cent in February, to push up the overall seat factor by 1 percentage point to 79.4 per cent.
Jetstar International, which will service 12 destinations when it starts flying to Fiji on Monday, continued to close the gap with Qantas and carried 310,000 passengers for the month, compared with Qantas international's 462,000. Its impressive growth outstripped rising capacity to see it fill more of its seats, its load factor rising a strong 5.3 percentage points to 79.7 per cent.
Jetstar also led the growth in the group's domestic operations with a 13.7 per cent rise in passenger numbers to 632,000 and a 3.8 percentage point rise in load factors to 82.7 per cent. It now carries half as many passengers as Qantas domestic services.
The low-cost carrier's good showing was part of an overall encouraging trend at Qantas.
Group passenger numbers for the financial year to February were up 7.7 per cent and the load factor was 2.1 points higher at 81.9 per cent.
Yields, excluding foreign exchange, remained lower than last year but continued to improve. Domestic yields for the year to February were 5.1 per cent down on the previous period while international yields were down 18.5 per cent.
"Qantas international yields showed continued improvement with monthly yields moving from 7.7 per cent lower verses the previous year in January, to 0.1 per cent lower in February," the airline said, noting that overall international yields were adversely affected by Jetstar's growth.
February passenger numbers on Qantas domestic routes rose by 5 per cent as the airline filled 79.1 per cent of its seats, up 5 points on the previous February.
Regional carrier QantasLink reported a 5 per cent rise in passenger numbers but a small dip in load factors. Qantas international passenger figures were still 16.6 per cent down on last year, but continued to fill eight out of 10 seats.
The Weekend Australian – 27/28 March 2010
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
JETSTAR has laid claim to the title of the third-biggest international airline servicing Australia after impressive growth in February international passenger numbers that were 91.3 per cent higher than a year ago.
The doubling in size of Jetstar's international arm underscores the growing presence of low-cost carriers, which now account for more than one in five flights on Australian overseas routes.
The Jetstar figures and an overall 14.2 per cent rise in Qantas Group February passenger numbers also bode well for the recovery of the travel industry generally and will step up competition with rival Virgin.
Qantas reported yesterday that it was filling more seats on its planes across the group and that yields were continuing to improve. Group traffic rose by 3.8 per cent in February, to push up the overall seat factor by 1 percentage point to 79.4 per cent.
Jetstar International, which will service 12 destinations when it starts flying to Fiji on Monday, continued to close the gap with Qantas and carried 310,000 passengers for the month, compared with Qantas international's 462,000. Its impressive growth outstripped rising capacity to see it fill more of its seats, its load factor rising a strong 5.3 percentage points to 79.7 per cent.
Jetstar also led the growth in the group's domestic operations with a 13.7 per cent rise in passenger numbers to 632,000 and a 3.8 percentage point rise in load factors to 82.7 per cent. It now carries half as many passengers as Qantas domestic services.
The low-cost carrier's good showing was part of an overall encouraging trend at Qantas.
Group passenger numbers for the financial year to February were up 7.7 per cent and the load factor was 2.1 points higher at 81.9 per cent.
Yields, excluding foreign exchange, remained lower than last year but continued to improve. Domestic yields for the year to February were 5.1 per cent down on the previous period while international yields were down 18.5 per cent.
"Qantas international yields showed continued improvement with monthly yields moving from 7.7 per cent lower verses the previous year in January, to 0.1 per cent lower in February," the airline said, noting that overall international yields were adversely affected by Jetstar's growth.
February passenger numbers on Qantas domestic routes rose by 5 per cent as the airline filled 79.1 per cent of its seats, up 5 points on the previous February.
Regional carrier QantasLink reported a 5 per cent rise in passenger numbers but a small dip in load factors. Qantas international passenger figures were still 16.6 per cent down on last year, but continued to fill eight out of 10 seats.
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Does anyone check these numbers? How does Jetstar international carry 10,000 passengers per day with six (could be seven) A330's? Could be some 320 international stuff I think, minimal though?