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Old 27th Dec 2009, 02:20
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Thumbs up V Oz Firing Up

Heard Round The Traps That V Oz Is Getting Ready To Hire In March To Get Ready For IncreAsed Services And Deliveries..............anyone Got Any More News,could Be A Win For The Boys In The Land Of Sand!
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 02:55
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Dont know how it is a win for the boys in the sand.
Cruise FO's still make less money than cabin crew. Captains still make less than the VB captains. Days off starting to get less now there is the FIJI returns. Still no overtime or even CPI increase and only 9 days off a month assured. Don't know if I would be leaving EK for that....
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 02:55
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What's with the capital letters?

Anyway for what it's worth, how much are you prepared to accept for 737 flying, as it is rumoured VA is going take on Cityflyer in the golden triangle and over to the west at the expense of VB, it will be a full service product, just like VA international but with 737's, so expect the next lot of -800's to roll out of Seattle in VA livery.
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 02:59
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keep dreaming
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 04:59
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Talking

HaHa Hilarious 787FE.
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 05:25
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What I think you'll find is a total rebrand of the group (ie: VB, PB and VOZ) into a sngle brand...
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 06:12
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I also see some VA crew are still running around telling folks that they are getting 772's to do some ultra-long and unsustainable routes. So I just had to ruin her spiel and tell her even their CEO said this was bullshit, just google it. Total nonews made up that one, probaly this one too...

What I think you'll find is a total rebrand of the group (ie: VB, PB and VOZ) into a sngle brand...
And I would hate to think how this would affect the current DJ conditions when bringing the other two together.
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 06:26
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Word on the street.....

What I think you'll find is a total rebrand of the group (ie: VB, PB and VOZ) into a sngle brand...
Yep, I have heard from a reliable source that some fairly 'solid and robust' discussions have taken place around this particular topic.However,many interesting topics are often discussed behind closed doors at the Senior Management level. It doesn't mean that this particular 'concept' will gain any weight, but who know's.
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 07:10
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Tornspar,

It is very unlikely that there will be any more DECs offered outside the Virgin group. Same for Senior FO positions. I think that any newcomers will be in the form of CzFOs only.
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 07:38
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Gobbledock is spot on, a good article interview with BG in Jan/Feb AA, points to all sorts of plans in discussion, even another type for regional services to compete with the Q400's, but not to say they will come to fruition.

I would not be surprised if a group re-branding was on the cards down the track...
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 09:29
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Anthil.
What about people that are in the hold pool for DEC that have interviewed and are waiting a start date?
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 10:40
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The only chance of Direct Entry positions is if there is a short notice, unexpected increase in aircraft deliveries, which would probably put too much strain on the training department, there fore Direct Entry positions would be a possibility.

At present, given the current delivery schedule, there will be no requirement for Direct Entry positions for the coming year.

I have spoken to BG personally and he has denied the 772 rumor, as would be expected. If they are coming, it is a very well kept secret. What is more likely, is that some of the 773 options may be converted to 772's.
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 14:22
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Have they taken DEC's already? YES .Will they take them again? YES. You are naive if you think they wont do it again and that guys from the desert wont be interested. 9 days off min is more than EK gets now and you have to live in the Dubai. I would say 100+ 777 Capts are more than done with Dubai and waiting for anything closer to home.
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Old 27th Dec 2009, 17:12
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That is somewhat different to what the recruitment department have been saying for the past year
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Old 28th Dec 2009, 00:45
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787 are now on the cards so says Boeing. And yes you will not read about it yet.
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Old 28th Dec 2009, 01:43
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SilverSleuth; You may be surprised by the amount of interest in further B777 positions in VA by the EK gang.

Sunstar320; VA have long talked about using the 777 on domestic legs as part of an international flight. An example would be SYD-PER as part of a LAX-SYD-PER or SYD-PER-LHR (or LGW) services. The SYD-PER leg being complexed.

Last edited by B772; 28th Dec 2009 at 11:35. Reason: Replace LOS with LAX. (I am suffering from fatigue)
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Old 28th Dec 2009, 04:41
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Devil

An example would be SYD-PER as part of a LOS-SYD-PER or SYD-PER-LHR (or LGW) services.
LOS=Lagos?????
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Old 28th Dec 2009, 06:43
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I imagine the taking of DEC's will depend on VB releasing any of the 737
drivers early next year.I understand VB mainline will be fairly short of crew as they ramp up capacity and may be reluctant to let them go to VA. I have heard a fair few of the EK 777 Captains who are in the hold file are keen to start and may be able to quickly fill any void that is created by the arrival of extra aircraft.At the moment the only jobs going will be from the vacancies created by cruisers leaving to join Jetstar and Qatar.I hope that anyone who plans to join VA on current terms and conditions does some homework on the cost of living in OZ at the moment and in the near future as it is not cheap!!!
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Old 28th Dec 2009, 10:58
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Sorry to inject a dose of reality , but you're getting a little excited over not much.

Yes there is a ton of EK guys finally fed up enough, and with the bucket of gold full enough, to want to join VOZ. The problem is that with only one aircraft scheduled for delivery next year, there will only be a requirement for 8 Captains. The VB EBA requires all of the command positions for the next 3 aircraft to be offered to VB guys. Additional to that, there are several F/O's who are being considered for upgrade.

So in short, yes the company can and would hire DEC's, if the situation requires it, but on current projections, there will be no requirement. F/O positions I'm not so sure about. There aren't too many CRFO's who have the experience for an upgrade to F/O, but there is a bunch of VB F/O's who want the job. Hard to see VB releasing F/O's though, when they need to recruit approx 50 for the domestic op next year.

The caveat to all this is projected deliveries. If the delivery schedule changes significantly then all bets are off.
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Old 28th Dec 2009, 12:38
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It seems to me then that the information the recruitment team have been saying to those in the hold pool over the past year or so is in conflict with what you are saying
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