Qantas A380 - LAME positions.
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Rim / Another - None of your ilk deserve any payment for such an aircraft.
The pay structure was an aberration yes but not for the reason you bleat about, it was a aberration because it allowed idiots to increase their wages for doing nothing, idiots like you who now whinge about no training. You're right about the electricians being stupid they should've left the union years ago and set up their own they would be streaks ahead by now but theyre not as smart as they make out. B1 / B2 licencing, its funny I don't think you've read the A380 agreement with the statements you've made or you would see the stupidity of your statements.
The pay structure was an aberration yes but not for the reason you bleat about, it was a aberration because it allowed idiots to increase their wages for doing nothing, idiots like you who now whinge about no training. You're right about the electricians being stupid they should've left the union years ago and set up their own they would be streaks ahead by now but theyre not as smart as they make out. B1 / B2 licencing, its funny I don't think you've read the A380 agreement with the statements you've made or you would see the stupidity of your statements.
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Congrats to the guys who made it through the selection process, have heard a few names and I am sure they will filter through over this week. For those like myself who missed the boat again, All we can do is hopefully look for 330 training somewhere in the future.
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johnny V i am well aware of the A380 pay agreement but if you read into it they dont get the same as if it was another type in the old system but enough of that....they are not electricians any more they moved onto three trade groups...and i think they should be payed as such,but not to the extent that mr fixit thinks...so get with the times johnny V as you were one of them once...
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You're right about the electricians being stupid
Stupid? Methinks not........
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From talking to the b1 and b2,s in A380 land b1,s get paid more then a b2, on licence on type only. b2,s still get paid more with their so called legacy licences. legacy is not a dirty word.
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I will remain resolute in my position re: outside courses - if you don't see how you fk over the guy sitting next to you it just shows you have learnt nothing and will probably learn nothing ..... I pity you for your greed, conceit and ignorance no matter how you justify your behaviour it remains the same.......disgraceful.
Rim I see you posted first in Jan 2008 about the same time as Johnny V (Feb2008), one a self adulating tool, the other a self centred tool, coincidence probably not but I will humour you regardless
Read the agreement Av $115 A380 ; Mech $115 A380 same licence payment no difference, the difference comes in the EASA payment not the licence payment. Now that each (rightly or wrongly) have moved to three cats we are getting paid approx. the same, it is fact.
In regards to what or not I believe we should be paid I will say this loud and clear
"Stop stepping on each others back to push yourself forward, nothing will come of it except discontent and misery. Your brother/sister is not the enemy it is the company and the system they employ and the sooner you realise you are being used as puppets by your manager the quicker the battle for equality will be won"
As I have heard too many times in our industry " Our own worst enemy is ourselves"
By the way Griff, legacy is a dirty word esp. in the company's eyes for they are the men/women who are redundant and not destined for training, mechanical or avionics.........................
Rim I see you posted first in Jan 2008 about the same time as Johnny V (Feb2008), one a self adulating tool, the other a self centred tool, coincidence probably not but I will humour you regardless
Read the agreement Av $115 A380 ; Mech $115 A380 same licence payment no difference, the difference comes in the EASA payment not the licence payment. Now that each (rightly or wrongly) have moved to three cats we are getting paid approx. the same, it is fact.
In regards to what or not I believe we should be paid I will say this loud and clear
"Stop stepping on each others back to push yourself forward, nothing will come of it except discontent and misery. Your brother/sister is not the enemy it is the company and the system they employ and the sooner you realise you are being used as puppets by your manager the quicker the battle for equality will be won"
As I have heard too many times in our industry " Our own worst enemy is ourselves"
By the way Griff, legacy is a dirty word esp. in the company's eyes for they are the men/women who are redundant and not destined for training, mechanical or avionics.........................
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Thanks for the feedback guys.
Just an information note. 23 candidates have been selected in Syd. 21 B1 (mech) and 2 B2 (AV).
I have spoken with management and assertained that it was not a case of all names in the same pool with the B1 coming out on top. There were 2 different pools and the airline made a decision to only train 2 B2 blokes.
This was not what was presented to the ALAEA in the meeting held before the 380 selections in Sydney began. We were told that the split would be 14/9 or 15/8, the final decision had not been made. We are still collecting other information regarding the selections and encourage you all to demand your feedback including your scores. A notice will be released when we know a little more.
cheers
Just an information note. 23 candidates have been selected in Syd. 21 B1 (mech) and 2 B2 (AV).
I have spoken with management and assertained that it was not a case of all names in the same pool with the B1 coming out on top. There were 2 different pools and the airline made a decision to only train 2 B2 blokes.
This was not what was presented to the ALAEA in the meeting held before the 380 selections in Sydney began. We were told that the split would be 14/9 or 15/8, the final decision had not been made. We are still collecting other information regarding the selections and encourage you all to demand your feedback including your scores. A notice will be released when we know a little more.
cheers
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Now that each (rightly or wrongly) have moved to three cats we are getting paid approx. the same, it is fact.
BUT!
23 candidates have been selected in Syd. 21 B1 (mech) and 2 B2 (AV).
Don't the Avionics & Radio break on the Big Bus?
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Mr cannot fixit if you bother to read my posts I agree with you about outside course's,but and there is a but,avoinic people are trained on all company type[just by the numbers no fault of there own],and the mechanical people have to wait so, this is what drives them to outside courses. You must be joking to think that johnny V and I are one in the same,as one could assume that you are also using several nom de plume's.
Gives me a warm feeling that you would go to the trouble to look up my first post as well as JV's.
ps.how's that w.a.
Gives me a warm feeling that you would go to the trouble to look up my first post as well as JV's.
ps.how's that w.a.
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fedsec, I hope you will fight for the two names who were selected only to be removed and replaced with another two names after being told they had the job? Also will we know be using this criteria for future A330 &737 training slots in base and sio?
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If two members have been advised then later told that this was an error, firstly they need to contact us for assistance. We will be requesting that they ask for full disclosure of their scores and reasons that they were marked low if that was the case. We need that info to compare their score against the successful candidates. In a couple of weeks, the ALAEA will be sitting down with management to review and if needed, to refine the process. Remember it is still in a trial atm.
The CSC is only for A380 training and is activated due to a clause in EBA 8. Selection of candidates for other training such as 330 or 738 is still at the discretion of management. If management elect to use this system on other aircraft then that is their decision. Overall we think it better than the other options previously used such as the interview process or simply just having the golf or fishing mates selected. Having seen some of the names of successful candidates in this round, I note that many of them would not have been selected under a "jobs for the boys" system.
The CSC is only for A380 training and is activated due to a clause in EBA 8. Selection of candidates for other training such as 330 or 738 is still at the discretion of management. If management elect to use this system on other aircraft then that is their decision. Overall we think it better than the other options previously used such as the interview process or simply just having the golf or fishing mates selected. Having seen some of the names of successful candidates in this round, I note that many of them would not have been selected under a "jobs for the boys" system.
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Its good to see that the company is finally getting the training balance correct .
I think just about everyone has had to sit there and listen to an MA guy jibber rot about a system he has been trained on, or read an erroneous tech log entry written off by an MA holder at some point in time. The other day I noticed an access defect written off as "nav database installation carried out" in the online tech system. Unfortunately this is becoming the norm.
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Balance
An Av lame after approx 10 yrs service will usually have 2 or 3 types plus the massive 2 level jump for the radio payment . A Mech lame will have one type and more than likely a from training provided by an outside organization. The Mech lame will now be disadvantaged because he did an outside course. The Mech lame has missed out on training for a long time due to the larger employment numbers so its good to see the balance is now correct !
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Gee wiz.
I think maybe someone is just a tad bit cut up over not getting trained on every licence type under the sun by QF. If you've missed training then join the club mate. But don't take it out on your fellow workers because it is not their fault.
To take another man's trade away because your cut up about your own training is pretty self centered. Your beef is not with them.
What a complete turn-around in the unity we were displaying together 12 months ago. Some people are pretty damn greedy.
To take another man's trade away because your cut up about your own training is pretty self centered. Your beef is not with them.
What a complete turn-around in the unity we were displaying together 12 months ago. Some people are pretty damn greedy.
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ngineer its pretty easy to say that when looking from the top down....so take it easy, in one sentance you are saying lets all be one,but then you go off at mech lame's getting more on the white whale[a380] because of the MA,well thats the way of EASA the mech guy with the ma gets the glory while the AV guys get to do what they are payed for to do......and that sh$t about MA guys mouthing off about elect systems .....maybe if you took a wider interest in the whole aircraft you would have a better understanding of where the MA's come from,and what they were intended for in the first place,oooohhh sir we have a reading light out at 34a would you come out of the smoko room to fix it please so i dont have to get my dirty hands all over the cabin trim......thank you,but if i must change it and sign for it dont report me please
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Are we going to go down that old track!
Its a debate that cant be won.
Why not give all suitable people the full B1 training regardless what trade they are?
There is scope in the agreement.
There are Mech guys out there with EIR licences aswell as EIR guys out there with Mech licences, including large a/c and lighties.
The next time you chat with any BA guys, ask them how the new style licences went for them.
Its a debate that cant be won.
Why not give all suitable people the full B1 training regardless what trade they are?
There is scope in the agreement.
There are Mech guys out there with EIR licences aswell as EIR guys out there with Mech licences, including large a/c and lighties.
The next time you chat with any BA guys, ask them how the new style licences went for them.
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oooohhh sir we have a reading light out at 34a would you come out of the smoko room to fix it please
RE: The whole B1/B2 thing.
B2's are a minority in the new world of aviation licences for a reason. B1's can sign for almost all of the typical jobs that get done on this new breed of aircraft. It's just a quirk of the Australian system that our government body is as usual about 10 years too late to get on board what works very well everywhere else in the civilised world.
It does make sense to make the vast majority of licences on the 380 B1 because there simply isn't the work to do to keep the B2's gainfully employed from a manpower perspective.
If you want to argue about that, have a look around the world and see what Qantas are now modeling their licence requirements around. If it works well for everyone else, what makes us different here ?
We should feel somewhat lucky they haven't implemented the A licence's, there wouldn't be much B1 training going on at all in that case.
B2's are a minority in the new world of aviation licences for a reason. B1's can sign for almost all of the typical jobs that get done on this new breed of aircraft. It's just a quirk of the Australian system that our government body is as usual about 10 years too late to get on board what works very well everywhere else in the civilised world.
It does make sense to make the vast majority of licences on the 380 B1 because there simply isn't the work to do to keep the B2's gainfully employed from a manpower perspective.
If you want to argue about that, have a look around the world and see what Qantas are now modeling their licence requirements around. If it works well for everyone else, what makes us different here ?
We should feel somewhat lucky they haven't implemented the A licence's, there wouldn't be much B1 training going on at all in that case.