Qantas A380 - LAME positions.

[Short_Circuit]

Firstly, I reckon you'd be hard-pressed to find ANYONE in QF who has 747/744/767 AND hasn't had training for 20 years

Come and have a look at SYD Base, there are plenty here long serving 747/744/767 licenced for, and some longer than 20 years with no new type, no 777 training, no 737 training, no A330 (except for a few Golden haired boys), no A380 training (because we did not work them in base!) also worked for years the arvo & E/N shift running SIT as the white overall boys went home at 14:00 and left it all to base, other operators worked but NO TAIL PAYMENT. Avionics & Mechanical trades!
FACT.. that gen X & Y will not compute..

I forgot to mention the 50% of Team A380 original LAMES were also 20 years plus with no training.

[Johnny V]

Training is and should always be at the behest of management after all they run the company you tin pot glory hounds should be content with the 130million you ripped from investors this last year. I once was proud to call myself an engineer, no longer, I now do not talk about what I once did.

[Short_Circuit]

Training is and should always be at the behest of management after all they run the company

Yeah, and look how much of a disaster that has turned out to be.

[qf 1]

Johnny v i too am glad you no longer call yourself an engineer,because you obviously have no idea what an engineer is worth.It's better for all that you are out of the industry,passengers and crew.

[Arnold E]

I would suggest to you that Johnny v doen't know what an engineer is, much less what they are worth.

[Mr Qantas]

What a sad state of afairs it is come to now cause of the union. I warned all and sundry years ago that this group will ruin that airline and I coped a flogging on here. How right i was $130 million i hope they are proud and i read this about them taking the decison on training away from management you must be joking. It has ALWAYS been for managers to pick the best to get the more training. You take that away from management and put in the hands of those lunatics and you must be crazy. Who cares if the same lame does a few courses in a row when you have a star in your crew you got to keep him happy to keep him on the crew. I found it best to make certan that the ones that are not up to it dont get more licences cause you just cant trust them to perform. Qantas didnt get so good by promoting morons just cause they didnt get a course for 10 years. We just need the course to go to the best.

[The_Big_Pratt]

Come and have a look at SYD Base, there are plenty here long serving 747/744/767 licenced for, and some longer than 20 years with no new type

I know Base pretty well - and I can't think of a single person (still in Base) who is triple licensed and got the last of those three licenses 20 years ago (ie. in 1989!!). Even 15 years ago is a bit far-fetched, but there may be some of those. MAYBE.

Before you fly off the handle though, this whole argument could be incorporated into the selection process: Why not follow my suggestion and use the measure of courses/years of sevice (or years basics held) to rank people as well as using the time since last course. Make each of them worth an equal % at the top end, and I guarantee that it will sort-out who deserves what.

As for what you say about the long-suffering nature of the guys in Base - I couldn't agree more: Worst access to training, no access to bolt-ons, have to do the heavy-lifting for QF for both routine work and troubleshooting.. the list goes on. If you're looking for a fight on that topic, you're not gonna get one

That raises the question of how do you make training fair between sections? I'm not even gonna attempt to tackle that one (but I'd love to hear some suggestions )

FACT.. that gen X & Y will not compute..

I simply don't understand why you are having a shot at the younger blokes/chicks.
The older guys you're championing (who must have at least 30-40 years service) will presumably be at the front of the queue for this training anyway.

You seem to be saying that the older blokes should get training because they're, well, older blokes. I disagree with that. The younger blokes have been doing it hard as well. Like I said, your "20 years no training" is a myth: But it's a lot more comfortable to put-up with a stagnant career when you've got three licenses (and some training points) under your belt, than when you have ONE or NO licenses.

I forgot to mention the 50% of Team A380 original LAMES were also 20 years plus with no training.

Not a real good debating point, they're trained now aren't they? Absolutely NO ONE got in before they did - definitely not those freeloaders from Gen X or Y - so it hardly seems to support your theory.

TBP

[indamiddle]

johnny v, my mate in management agrees cost was $130m at the time it finished but lost future revenue puts it well over $200m. cost per year of pay rise? $2m.
mr qantas, i work in another section of qf where advancement is at the discretion of mgmt so carpet burns are part of the process. then they wonder why the proverbial hits the fan with their golden haired boys/girls. advancement is not just based on ability.... to do the job! you guys do a great job, my life depends on it

[Ngineer]

How right i was $130 million i hope they are proud

You would be more correct in directing that loss to the personal issues of a certain someone (or people) against unionism, not the ALAEA. The ALAEA was only acting on the direction of a large majority of the membership. How people can deny a workforce a fair pay increase for many years and very generously pay themselves is beyond any decent person's moral comprehension.

The money lost that you refer too was simply a mismanaged union-bashing party. Is it any wonder people are so sceptical about the motives or hidden agenda's of our management these days?

I completely agree with your sentiments that this money would have looked better on our balance sheets. As too would the revenue of contracts lost whilst trying to save a few pennies.

[Big Unit]

Why is it everyone is talking about time since last training. Who gives a flying fcuk. How about effort and skill on the job over the last 5-10 years. Bludgers will always be bludgers. In the past they sat in the corner talking and doing sweet fcuk all. Just let them be as they were. Training should be based on merit as our policy manual states.

[the rim]

hey big unit.....too bad your ears are not as big this is what this thread is all about ...listen up .... who gets the training in the correct order is what we are on about and who makes the decision is the problem...i agree with you the most knowledgeable and best worker should get the most training but as long as he/she has not just come off a course and must wait till they pick up the licence

[domo]

the results are in and the phones are ringing. heard at least 4 base blokes so far

[Syd eng]

Any Surprises thus far?

[Pterois Volitans]

The selection process for these positions is #$$%^!
Why was it only open to current LAMES, I know for a fact there are currently AMEs with QF that have group 20/21 licenses and also full B1 licenses!! these people where not allowed to apply. People talk about the unfair proccess for LAMES, that is nothing compared to how they are treating the AMEs. Please do not say it is due to experience or training as far as i am concered it should have been open to anyone with a license!! (Maybe the LAMES where protecting there own backs, as with no aircraft type training with QF they would have gained the maximum points!) The only light at the end of the tunnel, is that if these people leave Dom,SIT or base it "might" open up training course in other areas.
Regards
PV

[empire4]

if you have a full B1 licence and your at QF base then you are seriously wasting your time my friends. get out and move to a company that will train you like the rest of us. OH, i forgot........you might not be wrapped in cotton wool though.

[UPPERLOBE]

The situation regarding "licenced" AME's has always been the same at QF.

I have seen people who have held mulitiple foreign licences (not approvals) and who had been previously employed at DMM level at other airlines having to accept an AME position at Qantas, and the company would not always lift a finger to help them with CASA. I can go back to the late 1960's to blokes who held full UK ARB licences.

As far as QF AME's gaining licences outside the QF system goes, if QF don't want to pay you for it that is their choice, and you will in their eyes still be an AME.

Long gone are the days when they automatically accepted people getting a licence by means outside of QF and automatically reclassified them.

[another superlame]

After seeing the list of names, it was pleasing to see that the majority were younger guys who have out in the hard yards. Maybe the new system does kinda work. Although DMMs must score a perfect 75 after having 330 training 3 years ago. How else do you manage to score a slot with recent training.

Only 2 elec positions. Now that must really p!ss you off Fixit, seeing the greaser trades take over your black box replacements and globe replacements.

[The Mr Fixit]

The process of licence selection for the A380 has only ever been for LAMEs (QF approved) I don't think that will change and neither should it.
How many have been selected ? Any anomalies ? What areas ?
Yes I would be surprised depending on the number of lames selected which I don't know but seeing you have the inside knowledge and names, care to share ?
I will ask though if the shoe was on the other foot would you be as sarcastic as your last post or as bitter as your previous posts have been ?
For a time I thought we were in this boat together so much for solidarity eh brother.

[another superlame]

I thought we were in it together as well, but then you then you showed your true colours toward your brothers that trained themselves.
I am not privvy to any inside info, the names are now almost common knowledge at the jetbase, and no I will not be sharing their names on this forum. Surely you have some brothers in Sydney that would be able to pass on the information.

I would be very bitter if the list was populated by the yum cha club but it seems that is not the case, and sarcasm,well it is one of the many services I offer.

Would I be bitter if it was 90% elec trade selected,possibly,but I would get over it.Brother.

[the rim]

ha....Solidarity....brother

Well 'fixit" did we see solidarty when the GWS was introduced and you sat upon your high throne saying ....how dare they allow mechanical people into the upper grades....but now by the looks of things a few coneheads might miss out due to the B1/B2 system...sad i know but they would have not received a payment anyhow....