Qantas A380 - LAME positions.

[Short_Circuit]

They can shove the A380 you know where. Lets concentrate on the new backbone of QF in the A330 & B787 instead of only 20 white elephants, which will quickly become the new "legacy" fleet.

[Bootstrap1]

As predicted this whole selection process is proving to be a farce, you would have thought that by moving the fat controller from this position of power things would have improved, but no. It seems the new manager is intent on putting his stamp on 380 land so the selection process will not be fair,equitable or transparent.

I think that this goes against the company policies for job vacancies.

I also find it hard to believe that the association allowed this crap to happen. Engineering cannot be trusted to perform their own selection processes. The Base Senior LAME is proof that the idiots in charge have no idea how to run the business or how to select people on their own merit.
I am now starting to believe that the manager of 380 land has his own agenda and too bad to anyone who doesn't fit his mold.Why else would he have the power to veto anyone he doesnt think fits the bill but has otherwise met his non existent criteria.

[Bolty McBolt]

I also find it hard to believe that the association allowed this crap to happen

I think you will find the whole process was set by union.
2 off MEL based union officials worked out the system without consultation with SYD.

This is the system we have

PS I liked the SIT pen jockey comment, to close to the bone for many I bet.

[UPPERLOBE]

Bootstrap1

The SIT guy's have heard all that pen jocky stuff many times over many years, what you appear to lack is a basic understanding of how the system works.

Unfortunately people like you never bother to research things properly and go on gut, not always a good idea.

Which is why you will probably always be on the sidelines barking. You are gunna be on a short chain if they want to keep you out of H96 and east of Lake Gaunt.

Hey, only trying to help here, don't shoot the messenger.

[Johnny V]

Yes the dim witted need not reply and by most of the comments.............
If it wasn't for some twit in IR we'd be picking the right men for the job not having to consult the union at all. As for the Melbourne mafia setting the criteria who knows but I would have thought your whole stupid executive would've put in their pennys worth being the top notchers they are

[Bootstrap1]

Thanks Bolty,
I think you are right with it being close to the bone

[The Mr Fixit]

Seems to be a fair bit of concern with the process. As I understand it was a joint creation reached by mediation in the AIRC so either we run it as a draft (which according to the secretary it still is) or, let we just go back to way it was and let the golden children get all the courses as was the case for the first round of the A380 courses . Though I hear alot of the whinging ones have since quietened down albeit after they were chosen for the course. I really don't care about the 380 I'm more concerned as to when they're gonna train the rest of us lackeys on the rest of the fleet. Gavin said at a Melbourne meeting 290 slots this year (inc a380) so far only a pittance has been given and then to the chosen few (under the old system gobble gobble under the desk)

[Bootstrap1]

Mr Fixit I agree that the new process is supposed to make it fair and transparent for all, but chances are the golden children will still be the chosen ones, which will just prove what a total load of crap this new process is.
And so what if the assocation did agree to it, it is still a load of crap.

[Short_Circuit]

Haven't you blokes been given the scripted responses to the interview questions yet?
If not, you are obviously not the chosen ones.

[griffin one]

So why do the likes of us from base have to be judged by our ops managers ?
Yet come the sio to base/sdo opportunities it will be an interview process.
real fair and equitable. Back to another A chk grrrrrrrrrrrr

[UPPERLOBE]

QF course selection process ...

First pick a or two

then a coupla

the odd

a few
one or two to the punters

don't pick he is still from last time

watch out for if he get's in he will have to find something else to grizzle about.

Oh, and who will ask a series of dumb questions last thing every friday afternoon.

Rest assured it's not an easy job

[the rim]

as with every training slot the ones who missed out will moan about it and say "how come he got on it"...just had a look at the union memo about it dont think that bolt on's should be included as they are not payed as a full company type....you are never going to get away from some guys getting trained before someone else but i agree there should be a fir process for the rest of us....like upperlobe indicated

[the rim]

good to see johnny v back

[Jet-A-One]

I know some LAMEs that haven't been on course for 8 years because they are lazy and incompetent. I don't see why they should get 25% head-start on someone that may work harder and be better at their job.

I also know a few LAMEs that haven't been trained in 8 years because they've had just about every licence and bolt on there is for the last 8 years. You can only sign one aircraft at a time .

[Short_Circuit]

I know Base LAMEs & Seniors Mech & Av who have not had training for 15+ years with no prospect of getting any more, ie A330 A380. But hey, they are only the most experienced engineers we have it would be a waste to train them further. (Buggery campaign continues)

[Johnny V]

Thank you Rim for the welcome back

1st point - It should be the company's right to pick whoever they want for courses after all they pay for it
2nd point - Those who got credits outside should utilize their licences whether paid for them or not, those who got licences without their managers permission do not deserve to be paid......ever
3rd point - The ops managers should be making the decisions after all they're the ones who went above and beyond during the strike showing they're men with backbone and character
Last point - If those twits at Bexley think you guys actually have the balls to do something about something that doesnt involve money they're deluded.

[the rim]

course selection

lets face it you should get selected by what you do at work and how you preform...ie if you are the biggest bludger and dont know anything why should get training before someone who gets in there and does the work ....the wage stucture is such that even the boof heads go up a grade every four years without training[untill they are capped]and if you are good you get training even if you are not going to get payed for it ......so why dont the over acheivers knock back the training if they are not getting any money..mmmmmmm wonder why????????and the boofheads will get their share ...

[qf 1]

on ya Johnny d!ck bone what is the dif between your points 2 and 3

[Ngineer]

Why would one wish to have an A380 lic? Just because it is so damn BIG? Maybe it's just an extension of one's pen!$..... Whatever floats your boat I guess...

[the rim]

a380

i see the union has put the stoppers on people going on a a380 course ......be careful boys the guys who want it will bypass a union directive to get what they want and it will lead to a split ....again ....i hope it wont happen and we stick together as we did in the PIA