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Feenix, you simply refuse to allow others to have an opinion. But, BUt, BUT. You're like a 5 year old.
Regards to this sh.tty industry, there is probably no one standing behind you with a gun? "fly the plane, fly the plane". These are the words of someone hard done by. IT would seem your fanatical adoration of the company you are employed by, probably comes from years of knock backs from real airlines. I feel for ya buddy.
But look on the bright side, someone in Nauru gave you a go.(thank god they are not that educated, it would appear you have slipped one past the goalie)
As far as the grass being greener elsewhere, last time I was in Nauru, there wasnt any grass. Seems there still isnt, just a lot of sh*t.
awww did da naughty man hurt your little feelings, poor lil bubba
Regards to this sh.tty industry, there is probably no one standing behind you with a gun? "fly the plane, fly the plane". These are the words of someone hard done by. IT would seem your fanatical adoration of the company you are employed by, probably comes from years of knock backs from real airlines. I feel for ya buddy.
But look on the bright side, someone in Nauru gave you a go.(thank god they are not that educated, it would appear you have slipped one past the goalie)
As far as the grass being greener elsewhere, last time I was in Nauru, there wasnt any grass. Seems there still isnt, just a lot of sh*t.
awww did da naughty man hurt your little feelings, poor lil bubba
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I take your point regards Wikipedia, however wishing it not to be true does not stop it from being true.
Here is a copy of a news release from the Export-Import Bank of the United States issued 17 December, 2005, maybe that is a more acceptable source for you.
The Australian High Court has let stand a lower court ruling that an Air Nauru Boeing 737-400 aircraft must be surrendered to a trustee for the Export-Import Bank of the United States (Ex-Im Bank) in Melbourne tomorrow morning at 10:15 a.m. (Sunday, December 18, Melbourne time)."
What has this do with the present situation, probably nothing, however it shows that Air Nauru was not in a very good position to provide a service to NLK as of December 2005.
Thus I feel that the word "borrowed" in relationship to Ozjet taking up the NLK contract was loose usage of that term.
And plese don't take this the wrong way, I am in no way implying OA cant complete the contract this time, just delving into the history of it all. (And feenix, no I don't know the full story and maybe the truth can get a little lost in news releases etc).
I take your point regards Wikipedia, however wishing it not to be true does not stop it from being true.
Here is a copy of a news release from the Export-Import Bank of the United States issued 17 December, 2005, maybe that is a more acceptable source for you.
"AUSTRALIAN COURTS ORDER AIR NAURU TO SURRENDER AIRCRAFT TO EXPORT-IMPORT BANK OF THE UNITED STATES
The Australian High Court has let stand a lower court ruling that an Air Nauru Boeing 737-400 aircraft must be surrendered to a trustee for the Export-Import Bank of the United States (Ex-Im Bank) in Melbourne tomorrow morning at 10:15 a.m. (Sunday, December 18, Melbourne time)."
What has this do with the present situation, probably nothing, however it shows that Air Nauru was not in a very good position to provide a service to NLK as of December 2005.
Thus I feel that the word "borrowed" in relationship to Ozjet taking up the NLK contract was loose usage of that term.
And plese don't take this the wrong way, I am in no way implying OA cant complete the contract this time, just delving into the history of it all. (And feenix, no I don't know the full story and maybe the truth can get a little lost in news releases etc).
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Sayallafter you are right but it would take too long to explain . There was never any denying that VH-RON was repossessed but it doesn't change the fact that Air Nauru did not default on their obligation to Norfolk and hired another carrier (OJ) to do their flying until a new aircraft could be sourced. The rest is history, so I stand by my use of the word "borrowed"
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could maybe be summed up as you say Tomato, I Say Tomahto.
Take your point though, there IS allways two sides to a story. Hopefully I get to hear the ON verson one day.
However, beware the pine tree, and I note that VH-NLK has 4 of them!!
All the best.
could maybe be summed up as you say Tomato, I Say Tomahto.
Take your point though, there IS allways two sides to a story. Hopefully I get to hear the ON verson one day.
However, beware the pine tree, and I note that VH-NLK has 4 of them!!
All the best.
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Air Nauru has been operating for a long, long time.
The past, without doubt, has been a troubled past, for many a year, until wiser heads prevailed in the 90's and Air Nauru came of age.
Since that time Air Nauru has been an airline of some note and an airline keeping a low profile, but, at the same time, an airline known within the trade of professional pilots, by word of mouth, as an airline with high standards and a good future.
I could elaborate on this for the doubters on this thread, but why should I!
What would they know? What would they understand?
Why should I waste my time?
All the current and past operators with Air Nauru...pilots, engineers, ground staff and cabin staff are, and have been, of the highest order.
Anyone who says otherwise is a fool who doesn't know the subject!
( perhaps they might elect to just "shove off"? )
The past, without doubt, has been a troubled past, for many a year, until wiser heads prevailed in the 90's and Air Nauru came of age.
Since that time Air Nauru has been an airline of some note and an airline keeping a low profile, but, at the same time, an airline known within the trade of professional pilots, by word of mouth, as an airline with high standards and a good future.
I could elaborate on this for the doubters on this thread, but why should I!
What would they know? What would they understand?
Why should I waste my time?
All the current and past operators with Air Nauru...pilots, engineers, ground staff and cabin staff are, and have been, of the highest order.
Anyone who says otherwise is a fool who doesn't know the subject!
( perhaps they might elect to just "shove off"? )
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Amos2 you are so right!!!!!!! It is time wasting to try and justify matters to those who don't want to hear. We try to answer the questions of those with genuine agendas but always seem to get hijacked by the knockers.As Sale knows those who have experienced the airline in the vast majority (post 88) have fond memories and that's what matters. Enough said
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I had a short spell with Air Nauru earlier this century and never could say anything bad about it's expatriate, and the vast majority of the Nauruan, employees.
The only problems I could see were the political influence and the government not paying their bill... and perhaps the late ordering of aviation fuel and diesel... and the lack of water at the Menen Hotel... and the odd blackout... and perhaps the loss of communications with the world... and the odd time that I had to go to the tower to get the ATC man away from his girlfriend to answer the radio/telephone. BUT we did the job happily.
We operated to NLK with good feedback from pax and crew.
So what is all this caffufal about now?
The only problems I could see were the political influence and the government not paying their bill... and perhaps the late ordering of aviation fuel and diesel... and the lack of water at the Menen Hotel... and the odd blackout... and perhaps the loss of communications with the world... and the odd time that I had to go to the tower to get the ATC man away from his girlfriend to answer the radio/telephone. BUT we did the job happily.
We operated to NLK with good feedback from pax and crew.
So what is all this caffufal about now?
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Feenix, I don't think it is truthful to claim ON hired Ozjet to do Norfolk on their behalf. OJ won the contract after your beloved VH-RON was repossessed. But OJ did not honor their agreement to replace the 200 with a 300 by a certain date. I think that is the main reason they have now lost the contract and you have it again. When 737-300 prices were high that contract would not support a 300 and is probably the reason OJ preferred to default rather than upgrade the equipment. This was certainly short-sighted of their management because with most airplanes over 15 years old now dirt cheap, the economics of that operation shifted quite quickly to favor the 300.
So, good for your guys, maybe not so good for some of the OJ guys. The loss of cash flow will hurt.
So, good for your guys, maybe not so good for some of the OJ guys. The loss of cash flow will hurt.
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Skystar 320,
may I suggest that if you make a post, you make one that we all can understand.... obtuse does come to mind.
However, I think that feenix and gas-chamber may have intersesting facts to fill the void left by your post????.
may I suggest that if you make a post, you make one that we all can understand.... obtuse does come to mind.
However, I think that feenix and gas-chamber may have intersesting facts to fill the void left by your post????.
GC and 888: No, ON most definitely hired OJ to operate the NLK service on their behalf after the loss of VH-RON. Similarly they hired Air Pac to operate the NAN - TRW service. Both "hirees" saw what the situation was with the obvious potential, pursued the services in their own right and which each achieved after around 5 months of taking ON's money but without carrying any commercial risk in the meantime. Some would consider that unethical, others mercenary and opportunistic.
GC and Sayall etc: The loss of OJ's contract had more to do with them than not getting the -300, the NLK'ese just might have early last year served them 12 months notice to terminate under the terms of the contract. Consider that.
My info re the JQ guy was that he was a square peg in a round hole so it was for the better of all in the end. Each party was happy with the result although it would appear on the surface that one month is a very short time for an individual to decide something is not to your liking unless you were only there as a stop gap measure knowing that something else was in the offing - or you hadn't done your homework in the first place!!! Leaving turned out to be a poor decision for that individual as it happens.
The grapevine suggests "I Think So" is is now, "I Think, So Long, Bye, Bye" and that the Boob has elected not to post any more. Good, I say, there is enough drivel as it is. Well done Moderators.
GC and Sayall etc: The loss of OJ's contract had more to do with them than not getting the -300, the NLK'ese just might have early last year served them 12 months notice to terminate under the terms of the contract. Consider that.
My info re the JQ guy was that he was a square peg in a round hole so it was for the better of all in the end. Each party was happy with the result although it would appear on the surface that one month is a very short time for an individual to decide something is not to your liking unless you were only there as a stop gap measure knowing that something else was in the offing - or you hadn't done your homework in the first place!!! Leaving turned out to be a poor decision for that individual as it happens.
The grapevine suggests "I Think So" is is now, "I Think, So Long, Bye, Bye" and that the Boob has elected not to post any more. Good, I say, there is enough drivel as it is. Well done Moderators.
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"The loss of OJ's contract had more to do with them not getting the -300" Have to disagree with your there, down3gr33ns.....the loss of the contract can only be summed up as small town (island) politics. I sense that a clash of personalities came into play which dulled business acumen. The fact of not getting the -300 became the NLK governments legitimate reason for ditching Ozjet. The loads rarely (and I really do mean rarely) filled a 737-200. together with all the allocated freight. Unfortunately, I would be called for sour grapes if I typed more......so I will leave that to later (when I get flamed 
). What I will say, whilst the NLK people are some of the nicest people around, I believe that some of their elected officials punch far, far, far, beyond their weight category. Revisit in 12 months time, sincerely hope my thoughts are wrong, and if so I will eat the proverbial humble crow.
). What I will say, whilst the NLK people are some of the nicest people around, I believe that some of their elected officials punch far, far, far, beyond their weight category. Revisit in 12 months time, sincerely hope my thoughts are wrong, and if so I will eat the proverbial humble crow.
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I really would like to say that you are WAY off target with you trash talk comments that you have posted. I totally agree with feenix, now thats the situation which Norfolk stands at this present time. Not only is Qantas STILL maintaining code share with what ever airline services the Norfolk run,BUT, Air New Zealand has also has been a wonderful long time service provider for the Norfolk Island sector. As you stated that Norfolk Island is the airline graveyard of the South Pacific maybe you should look before you Jump into conclusions.
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I spent some time back in 98' & 99' operating to NFK with Air Nauru on the initial contract. Couple of times a week, if I remember correctly, from BNE & SYD.
Load factors were always high, pax and freight, to the extent that load management (Qantas) were constantly trying to reduce us to minimun fuel loads. Nothing ever changes!!
Nearly Deads and Newly Weds flock to Norfolk and Lord Howe non stop and have always done so and will continue to do so.
Anyone who says otherwise is a fool!
Load factors were always high, pax and freight, to the extent that load management (Qantas) were constantly trying to reduce us to minimun fuel loads. Nothing ever changes!!
Nearly Deads and Newly Weds flock to Norfolk and Lord Howe non stop and have always done so and will continue to do so.
Anyone who says otherwise is a fool!