Our Airline...What are they upto?
History is repeating
anyone going to Nauru for a holiday
its probably more than they are worth
luxuries like aeroplanes
am doing my best to expedite global warming
EBD/Feenix, you've got it in one re ITS. I despair at types with such immature brains, biased views and self serving bitterness. Must be one sad story behind his rantings - trot out all the usual excuses for someone who can't measure up and who can't contribute to any debate in a worthwhile manner.
If you don't wish to contribute in other than the derogatory manner in which you always seem to, ITS, it's time you went away.
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ITS...you're the t..d who wouldn't flush away!! Gawd...you're either a disgruntled ex-employee or you got the royal boot 21 years ago...I wonder..?? Anyway the airline you loath so much will be still here long after you're gone...their existence is ESSENTIAL and POLITICAL...not just money. Obviously you have small understanding of the mechanics of politics. I wouldn't waste my time trying to educate you further. Keep burning the fossil fuel as it not only affect Nauru but many many parts of the world also including your beloved OZ. Gawwd! Look at the weather system in OZ it's totally f....d up! You need to go and educate yourself on environmental issues and refrain from this thread where you're not needed.
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Good on you Tid. Not that ITS actually "contributed" anything of worthwhile substance, anyway. Good outcome.
Can you also ban him from the SAW thread, he's started with that one and has the ability to be just as inane there, too.
Can you also ban him from the SAW thread, he's started with that one and has the ability to be just as inane there, too.
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They were not asked to Tender, they did not win the contact, SAW did...
I believe that Our Airline are just doing charter flights.
Does anyone know if the tender is being re-issued?
I believe that Our Airline are just doing charter flights.
Does anyone know if the tender is being re-issued?
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I'm just curious to why / how they got it?
Seems wreid when other companies in Perth have the ability to perform the task, however Our Airline has to ferry the a.c from the east to the west to operate?
Seems wreid when other companies in Perth have the ability to perform the task, however Our Airline has to ferry the a.c from the east to the west to operate?
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AFB stated:
From that comment, one could assume that the airline would, if needed, be propped up by the Nauru government. Arguably (and probably rightly) the airline service is so essential to the people of Nauru, that Government support is justified.
Now, current Australian Government policy does not allow international airlines to carry domestic passengers and freight. Dispensation only occurs on an ad hoc basis BUT only in exceptional circumstances where there is a benefit to Australia AND Australian Airlines cannot provide the necessary domestic services. (New Zealand is a different matter due to the Single Aviation Market Agreement).
Interestingly though “Our Airline” is a select foreign carrier that holds an Australian AOC, with its aircraft being registered to the:
GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF NAURU
Office of The President
YAREN NCD
REPUBLIC OF NAURU
The Registered operator is listed as:
NAURU AIR CORPORATION
PO Box 10355
Adelaide Street
BRISBANE QLD 4000
AUSTRALIA
Does this mean that “Our Airline” can compete for Domestic passengers and freight as they are a holder of an Australian AOC? I know that they are taking over the Norfolk Island service, so it would appear that they can.
Now, if what AFB suggests, that "the Nauru Govt just simply will not let it fold" is correct, could it not be argued that Australian carriers could find themselves competing against not only a foreign owned, but a subsidised, airline on Australian routes and contracts.
If those premises are correct, could it further be argued that Australian carriers are competing against an airline that has it security supported by, at least in part (and agreeably indirectly), by the Australian Official Development Assistance of $26 odd million?
BTW this is not meant as a slag off at “Our Airline”, but merely a discussion point. If those assumptions are correct, it could be seen to skew the level playing field towards “Our Airline” with regards to tenders etc.
Perhaps I have just read too much into all this, but interested to hear others thoughts.
Like it or not the fact is that Our Airline will remain and probably the last to do so in this region. The Nauru Govt just simply will not let it fold.
Now, current Australian Government policy does not allow international airlines to carry domestic passengers and freight. Dispensation only occurs on an ad hoc basis BUT only in exceptional circumstances where there is a benefit to Australia AND Australian Airlines cannot provide the necessary domestic services. (New Zealand is a different matter due to the Single Aviation Market Agreement).
Interestingly though “Our Airline” is a select foreign carrier that holds an Australian AOC, with its aircraft being registered to the:
GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF NAURU
Office of The President
YAREN NCD
REPUBLIC OF NAURU
The Registered operator is listed as:
NAURU AIR CORPORATION
PO Box 10355
Adelaide Street
BRISBANE QLD 4000
AUSTRALIA
Does this mean that “Our Airline” can compete for Domestic passengers and freight as they are a holder of an Australian AOC? I know that they are taking over the Norfolk Island service, so it would appear that they can.
Now, if what AFB suggests, that "the Nauru Govt just simply will not let it fold" is correct, could it not be argued that Australian carriers could find themselves competing against not only a foreign owned, but a subsidised, airline on Australian routes and contracts.
If those premises are correct, could it further be argued that Australian carriers are competing against an airline that has it security supported by, at least in part (and agreeably indirectly), by the Australian Official Development Assistance of $26 odd million?
BTW this is not meant as a slag off at “Our Airline”, but merely a discussion point. If those assumptions are correct, it could be seen to skew the level playing field towards “Our Airline” with regards to tenders etc.
Perhaps I have just read too much into all this, but interested to hear others thoughts.
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How is it weird? The charter commenced in PER and terminated in BNE. How would aircraft based on either side of the country have any advantage?
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Does this mean that “Our Airline” can compete for Domestic passengers and freight as they are a holder of an Australian AOC? I know that they are taking over the Norfolk Island service, so it would appear that they can.
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With an Australian AOC they are able to bid for work around Australia but work comes tough with other competitors not to mention the majors, QF and VB. They've had a long relationship with NLK that goes back to the early 90's and from what I know a very happy one too. With the introduction of a dedicated airplane that specifically services NLK it shows their dedication to customers. There is still room for expansion for this small carrier and business entities around Australia should use the opportunity. A very efficient operator with no fuss...
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Ground power
Your worries are unfounded as the airline is not subsidised by the Nauruan government any more than Qantas or Virgin are subsidised by our government. I think you are trying to read more into it and the playing field will never be level as a small airline is always disadvantaged. OA is subject to all the regulations policed by CASA and ASIC as are all other Australian AOC holders.
Worrals in the Wild
Same AOC ,different aircraft. They never carried domestic pax BNE/MEL only their international pax travelling to Melbourne
The airline could quite easily operate under a foreign AOC and do what they do but they choose to fly under Aussie regulations unlike a lot of their competitors.
Skystar 320
What's unusual, they bid for a one of charter to Xmas and won it. Nothing to do with the SAW debacle
Ditzy boy
It is a Norfolk Air/Qantas code share flight operated by OA
Your worries are unfounded as the airline is not subsidised by the Nauruan government any more than Qantas or Virgin are subsidised by our government. I think you are trying to read more into it and the playing field will never be level as a small airline is always disadvantaged. OA is subject to all the regulations policed by CASA and ASIC as are all other Australian AOC holders.
Worrals in the Wild
Same AOC ,different aircraft. They never carried domestic pax BNE/MEL only their international pax travelling to Melbourne
The airline could quite easily operate under a foreign AOC and do what they do but they choose to fly under Aussie regulations unlike a lot of their competitors.
Skystar 320
What's unusual, they bid for a one of charter to Xmas and won it. Nothing to do with the SAW debacle
Ditzy boy
It is a Norfolk Air/Qantas code share flight operated by OA
So, if it is a QF codeshare, they have obviously gone through the QF audit process which is a bit of a trail, I'm led to believe. Need to be up to shape before you get the tick in the box.
Do OA also source their own passengers for the NLK service or are they entirely NA/QF passengers?
Do OA also source their own passengers for the NLK service or are they entirely NA/QF passengers?
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Down and 3 gs
I guess you mean trial and not trail
Yes they have a tick in the box and yes it was a trial
No pax for OA as they simply own and operate the a/c while the other two get the pax
I guess you mean trial and not trail
Yes they have a tick in the box and yes it was a trial
No pax for OA as they simply own and operate the a/c while the other two get the pax
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feenix,
Qantas and Virgin are perhaps a little different in that they are not owned by the sovereign state (although it would be interesting to see what assistance the Aussie Govt would give should the national flag bearer have troubles).
Anyway thanks for the answer, good to see that the airline can stand by itself, and not need financial assistance from its owner.....a little rare in the current climate.
Qantas and Virgin are perhaps a little different in that they are not owned by the sovereign state (although it would be interesting to see what assistance the Aussie Govt would give should the national flag bearer have troubles).
Anyway thanks for the answer, good to see that the airline can stand by itself, and not need financial assistance from its owner.....a little rare in the current climate.