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AFBL You are totally correct, There is no point in trying to change the opinion of such ill informed and intransient people such as ITS. I enjoy my work and the very nice paycheck more then pays the mortgage. The doomsdayers have been around for the entire 10 years I have been associated with the airline and I'm still here along with the airline. Unlike the before mentioned I do care what happens to the Nauruans and don't tar a whole nation with the same brush as a few bad eggs. If it all fell over tomorrow I would very happy emotionally and financiallly with my tenure with the airline. Anyhow speaking of eggs, Happy Easter to you and others
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BTW OA are definately a lot happier crowd than the Virgin and Jetstar mob
Now, to the content of LP's post - I have to agree. I speak to Our Airline crew on a far more regular basis than many and yes, almost without exception (both cabin crew and technical crew), they are extremely happy with their lot - even the co-pilots that some here allude to as being underpaid. If that's the case it certainly doesn't come across.
I think it's time some of the critics earnestly spoke to those at the coal face (as do I) to determine what those directly involved think rather than making irrelevant comparisons - after all there is far more to any employment than the dollars at the end of the day. Admittedly we all need a surviveable income, but what else goes with earning that income is of equal, or indeed greater, importance.
To the detractors, desist. Consider, instead, looking at the positives that Our Airline is offering, and delivering, in a challenging and demanding environment.
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If you offered any of the F/Os a job at VB, QF or Jetstar, they would take it!
How's the crew retention rate. Do you agree with pilots paying for their own endorsements. Next it will be like Air India, pilots paying for recurrent sims. Or do they already do that?
WOW!
How's the crew retention rate. Do you agree with pilots paying for their own endorsements. Next it will be like Air India, pilots paying for recurrent sims. Or do they already do that?
WOW!
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I, for one, don't agree with having to pay for an endorsement, but sadly that is the way things are today. How then, essentially, is that different from Jetstar or Virgin for an entry level F/O - or have I missed something along the line? If they were to take a Jetstar gig, wouldn't they have to pay for an Airbus endorsement and if it was with DJ and they didn't already have a 737, wouldn't salary sacrifice some into it?????????? To my knowledge OA doesn't bond you and you can leave on a month's notice if you wish.
From my contacts in the know, the retention rate is actually pretty good. The last departure was an F/O who went to QF about 12 months plus ago, and that certainly was for the money alone such was his priority. The current F/O's, however, aren't so mercenary and I think you'll find, T-B, that several have been there for bordering on a couple of years - not too bad for allegedly such a "poor" job.
I think RB has it in one, time the doomsdayers actually spoke to people rather than guesstimate what they are thinking.
From my contacts in the know, the retention rate is actually pretty good. The last departure was an F/O who went to QF about 12 months plus ago, and that certainly was for the money alone such was his priority. The current F/O's, however, aren't so mercenary and I think you'll find, T-B, that several have been there for bordering on a couple of years - not too bad for allegedly such a "poor" job.
I think RB has it in one, time the doomsdayers actually spoke to people rather than guesstimate what they are thinking.
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Big boob , you are incorrect as we have F/O's who have been offered jobs elsewhere including the places you speak of and they opted to stay. In fact we have employed aircrew from the afore mentioned airlines. e.g. they left them to join us. Sorry to dispel your poorly informed theories.
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Look who is calling the kettle black, BlackBandit....
Your post's are always full of banter that is useless, pointless & rude. There is a saying
"If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it"
Your post's are always full of banter that is useless, pointless & rude. There is a saying
"If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it"
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Heaps of Sayings around!
Skystar, I have the perfect saying for you:
Its better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt.
Your blank post was a breath of fresh air, it left us just believing, with your last post, you removed all doubt.
Thanks
Its better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt.
Your blank post was a breath of fresh air, it left us just believing, with your last post, you removed all doubt.
Thanks
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For whatever reason ON/OA are survivors, and for why…well who cares.. They have, so good on ‘em.
However, I hope that the NLK operation does not take them out. (.. beware the Pine Tree curse)
The NLK pax numbers are not that great, and a lot of the dreaming strategies put in place by the previous CEO and NLK Government (when the OA contact was probably organized) have died.
The OOL route is dead, the second MEL route is dead and one has to think that the NTL route must be terminal. ADL has to be but a dream, same as CNS.
The island economy is going south very quickly, Norfolk Air’s cash is going quicker.
The present schedule will have a 737-3 sitting on a small salt splashed island 2 days +; the possibility has to exist of more dead time.
BTW, for those that queried the Qantas code share on the route……….I believe that they have around 10 or so seats a flight…..the rest is owned by Norfolk Air. No Airline of significance will be going there in a hurry.....ANZ is minimizining its involvement, and they have less exspense going there than any Aus operator.
Good luck guys, however I sincerly hope you don’t need it.
However, I hope that the NLK operation does not take them out. (.. beware the Pine Tree curse)
The NLK pax numbers are not that great, and a lot of the dreaming strategies put in place by the previous CEO and NLK Government (when the OA contact was probably organized) have died.
The OOL route is dead, the second MEL route is dead and one has to think that the NTL route must be terminal. ADL has to be but a dream, same as CNS.
The island economy is going south very quickly, Norfolk Air’s cash is going quicker.
The present schedule will have a 737-3 sitting on a small salt splashed island 2 days +; the possibility has to exist of more dead time.
BTW, for those that queried the Qantas code share on the route……….I believe that they have around 10 or so seats a flight…..the rest is owned by Norfolk Air. No Airline of significance will be going there in a hurry.....ANZ is minimizining its involvement, and they have less exspense going there than any Aus operator.
Good luck guys, however I sincerly hope you don’t need it.
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Fond and many are my memories with ON/OA after many a year with them. When I am done with the wrong side of the world, and when I tire from strange, impersonal and mechanical airlining, I would at the drop of a hat, certainly rejoin that merry lot, doing the best flying in the world in that best part of the world.
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Heavy your contract and OA contract quite a bit different. The only way OA could lose that sort of money is if NLK stopped paying their bills and I don't believe that has happened to date. We did it for many years before you guys borrowed it with great results so hopefully will do again. Fortunately for us we can do it with no additional infrastructure except for the 2nd aircraft and if necessary could put it to sufficient work to pay for itself. Meanwhile best of luck with your endeavours in the west
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Feenix & witwiw,
I was going to stay out of the discussion until now, can't resist. Your previous post suggests that pilots from other major operators (VB, JQ etc),have been employed by ON. You just neglected to mention the fact that they don't stay very long. What about the guy from JQ, he lasted atleast a month didn't he?? Just trying to rack my brain and think about who else came from a major airline to yours (nope, can't think of anybody unless you consider J*tcraft a major operator.)
As far as the FO's go, they would have jumped ship immediately to the big boys they were interviewed by. Just a shame the industry has slowed down otherwise ON would have been left in trouble......
I was going to stay out of the discussion until now, can't resist. Your previous post suggests that pilots from other major operators (VB, JQ etc),have been employed by ON. You just neglected to mention the fact that they don't stay very long. What about the guy from JQ, he lasted atleast a month didn't he?? Just trying to rack my brain and think about who else came from a major airline to yours (nope, can't think of anybody unless you consider J*tcraft a major operator.)
As far as the FO's go, they would have jumped ship immediately to the big boys they were interviewed by. Just a shame the industry has slowed down otherwise ON would have been left in trouble......
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Surely, the biggest pain is the requirement to base the aircrat on Norfolk Island.
That by itself is different to the your last dealing,
By the way, cant resist replying to your "you guys borrowed it" comment to Heavy Cargo by taking a lift from the Wikipedia - Our Airline page:
......it was planned that Qantas would operate the flights from 11 June using Air Nauru's Boeing 737 VH-RON chartered by the Norfolk Island Government. This arrangement naturally ceased later that year when VH-RON was seized. Today Norfolk Island services are operated by Ozjet, with a codeshare arrangement with Qantas.
Mmmm, at best a bit loose in the use of the word borrowed.
Anyway, as I said before, I do hope it all works for both OA and Norfolk, both groups are definately survivors.
Surely, the biggest pain is the requirement to base the aircrat on Norfolk Island.
That by itself is different to the your last dealing,
By the way, cant resist replying to your "you guys borrowed it" comment to Heavy Cargo by taking a lift from the Wikipedia - Our Airline page:
......it was planned that Qantas would operate the flights from 11 June using Air Nauru's Boeing 737 VH-RON chartered by the Norfolk Island Government. This arrangement naturally ceased later that year when VH-RON was seized. Today Norfolk Island services are operated by Ozjet, with a codeshare arrangement with Qantas.
Mmmm, at best a bit loose in the use of the word borrowed.
Anyway, as I said before, I do hope it all works for both OA and Norfolk, both groups are definately survivors.
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sayallafter you are going out on a limb basing an argument on information garnered from Wikipedia aren't you?
To use one of your terms some of the the info I have read on Wiki is a "bit loose" to say the least.
To use one of your terms some of the the info I have read on Wiki is a "bit loose" to say the least.
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Sayallafter it would take far too long to explain what happened but when someone you charter backdoors you while under your employ I think borrowed is a very forgiving term. Believe me the truth backs up 8888's statement re Wikky. I must add this all occured long before heavy was involved.
GB it doesn't matter how you frame it I stated only the truth and in fact all the Captains have worked for majors. I hope your not saying that the guy from Jet* is the only guy capable of working for a major airline. Also don't speak for the F/O's as I have asked and again stand by my statement.More chance they would leave for a challenge overseas then leave for a domestic carrier but as Sale says he would be more than happy to return after he gets "strange, impersonal and mechanical airlining" out of his system. Doesn't sound like a job guys are unhappy with. We all think the grass is greener elsewhere and it is not until we try elsewhere that we realise what we had was so great.
Anyhow I wish you all well but also wish people would stop from knocking something they don't understand and try to instead make all our lives a little better. Despite the fact everybody wants more ,in this economic climate I think all of the knockers would be amazed what a happy little bunch we are working for OA in this shi--y industry .
GB it doesn't matter how you frame it I stated only the truth and in fact all the Captains have worked for majors. I hope your not saying that the guy from Jet* is the only guy capable of working for a major airline. Also don't speak for the F/O's as I have asked and again stand by my statement.More chance they would leave for a challenge overseas then leave for a domestic carrier but as Sale says he would be more than happy to return after he gets "strange, impersonal and mechanical airlining" out of his system. Doesn't sound like a job guys are unhappy with. We all think the grass is greener elsewhere and it is not until we try elsewhere that we realise what we had was so great.
Anyhow I wish you all well but also wish people would stop from knocking something they don't understand and try to instead make all our lives a little better. Despite the fact everybody wants more ,in this economic climate I think all of the knockers would be amazed what a happy little bunch we are working for OA in this shi--y industry .