New Ticket Team vying to wrest control of AIPA
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QF negotiators now needed to move quickly to wrap things up, essentially accepting the AIPA EBA8 proposal, whilst having it costed.
QF agree to put EBA8 to crew. Costing comes at about $80 million more than current agreement.
I believe QF were very relieved the EBA went down.
Thanx Breakfastburrito that all starts to make sense now .
This must be the first time ever that an EBA was voted down first time around and then just whimsically discarded on the pretext that it was bad because 76% ,or what ever ,voted it down.
Excuse me but didn't the ShortHaul vote get an almost identical vote.
Why wasn't IT thrown out???
I expect most guys voted no in order for the negotiators to go back to the company to further negotiation a few sore points,what the troops obviously didn't count on was the executive election that saw Barry Holt win office in the interim and toss out the EBA once he was in power and able to do the bidding of his masters.
QF negotiators now needed to move quickly to wrap things up, essentially accepting the AIPA EBA8 proposal, whilst having it costed.
QF agree to put EBA8 to crew. Costing comes at about $80 million more than current agreement.
I believe QF were very relieved the EBA went down.
Thanx Breakfastburrito that all starts to make sense now .
This must be the first time ever that an EBA was voted down first time around and then just whimsically discarded on the pretext that it was bad because 76% ,or what ever ,voted it down.
Excuse me but didn't the ShortHaul vote get an almost identical vote.
Why wasn't IT thrown out???
I expect most guys voted no in order for the negotiators to go back to the company to further negotiation a few sore points,what the troops obviously didn't count on was the executive election that saw Barry Holt win office in the interim and toss out the EBA once he was in power and able to do the bidding of his masters.
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Ian,
Please don't bombard us with your rhetoric here on Pprune.
The EBA was defeated by a huge majority, not one or two people.
A broom was swept through AIPA (just like you did 3 years ago) and personnel move on.
Lets see what happens. If you throw stones from the sideline after you have had your chance, then you will be seen to be no better than the previous crowd.
Move on with your life. You tried, you didn't succeed. But thanks for your contribution.
Please don't bombard us with your rhetoric here on Pprune.
The EBA was defeated by a huge majority, not one or two people.
A broom was swept through AIPA (just like you did 3 years ago) and personnel move on.
Lets see what happens. If you throw stones from the sideline after you have had your chance, then you will be seen to be no better than the previous crowd.
Move on with your life. You tried, you didn't succeed. But thanks for your contribution.
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Ian, Mike, Geoff et al, thanks for your efforts over the last 3 years or so but as Funbags says a new broom is in office repairing the bridges you lot burnt and sorting out the own goals.
You should be well aware that EBA 7.5 is a filler until a new updated award is negotiated that will have the input from the membership (unlike the EBA you put up). Move on boys, at least the spin has stopped.
You should be well aware that EBA 7.5 is a filler until a new updated award is negotiated that will have the input from the membership (unlike the EBA you put up). Move on boys, at least the spin has stopped.
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Ah yes keep dangling the carrot, yet it never get's any closer does it.
What's the odds that there will ever be an EBA9.
Unfortunately EBA8 was not a choice (there's that catch phrase again) betwwen EBA7 and EBA8 as you lot made out. History will I believe, will prove that EBA8 was a choice between it and a contract very similar to JetStar's when the 787's arrive. The future's bright the future is ????? who knows!
PS nunc reread my previous post and answer if you can,
yes the EBA was voted down but not for the reasons you lot are hanging your hat's on ,just ask the joe average driver.
So if a negative vote of that size demands the whole EBA to get trashed ,why did the shorthaul EBA progress after an almost identically sized NO vote??
Guess what those modifications after renegotiations were enough to achieve a majority yes vote.
Don't you think similar motives were happening this time around again?
As they have for most EBA's of late.
What's the odds that there will ever be an EBA9.
Unfortunately EBA8 was not a choice (there's that catch phrase again) betwwen EBA7 and EBA8 as you lot made out. History will I believe, will prove that EBA8 was a choice between it and a contract very similar to JetStar's when the 787's arrive. The future's bright the future is ????? who knows!
PS nunc reread my previous post and answer if you can,
yes the EBA was voted down but not for the reasons you lot are hanging your hat's on ,just ask the joe average driver.
So if a negative vote of that size demands the whole EBA to get trashed ,why did the shorthaul EBA progress after an almost identically sized NO vote??
Guess what those modifications after renegotiations were enough to achieve a majority yes vote.
Don't you think similar motives were happening this time around again?
As they have for most EBA's of late.
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Get a grip!
If only we all survive,
History will decide,
If WoodenEye had right on his side.
People outside the cockpit recognise that Rome took a long time to build and a lot of us in the trenches reackon that changing the AIPA team was a mistake.
By 2011 we will known if Qantas has remained Australian and will continue to have its maintenance at home.
AIPA has sure taken a lot on its shoulders.
Good luck.
If only we all survive,
History will decide,
If WoodenEye had right on his side.
People outside the cockpit recognise that Rome took a long time to build and a lot of us in the trenches reackon that changing the AIPA team was a mistake.
By 2011 we will known if Qantas has remained Australian and will continue to have its maintenance at home.
AIPA has sure taken a lot on its shoulders.
Good luck.
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a lot of us in the trenches reackon (sic) that changing the AIPA team was a mistake
The majority of Qantas Pilots IMHO saw the change of AIPA leadership as necessary.
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My advice is to compare what you'd be earning under the old EBA8 to the new one. Guess what.. for 95% of pilots its LESS.
My advice is to compare what you'd be earning under the old EBA8 to the new one. Guess what.. for 95% of pilots its LESS.
The rollover deal sounds very good to me and I think that the majority of pilots will be happy with it.
Nunc est bibendum
The rollover deal sounds very good to me and I think that the majority of pilots will be happy with it.
Other aspects of it like the A380 S/O rates?
My feelings on that particular issue are already on record elsewhere.
Keg, I totally agree with you. I'm in favour of fleet pay for S/O's as per your discussion on Qrewroom. It needs to be resolved with this EBA because once the A380 payrise becomes part of the award, it would be very hard to rectify any of the pay disparities and first day lottery etc.
Nunc est bibendum
Kremin's right GB. Please pass on the exact words you used to COM because the discussions I've had thus far have gone nowhere fast.
I've just finished drafting a letter to all 767 crews. It'll hit the email in the morning.
I've just finished drafting a letter to all 767 crews. It'll hit the email in the morning.
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Hey Nunc, because I didn't know until the 11th hour that it was being proposed. I hadn't heard even of the proposed rate until on a trip over the preceding weekend when a few of the guys I was discussing the matter with were quite agitated. I put it down to the normal pub scuttle butt but resolved to put the feelers out. With subsequent tours of duty and some family stuff it took until Friday arvo to confirm it with a COM member. Even then I didn't quite believe it until a different COM member didn't dispute my numbers after the initial post on Friday night.
Anyway, we're already 2 1/4 years late on the EBA. What's another month or so to iron this issue out.
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Anyway, we're already 2 1/4 years late on the EBA. What's another month or so to iron this issue out.
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If the rumours are right I think you should thank the EBA team for negotiating those rates. Use it as the new benchmark.
As for the 76, forget about it. The thing has been around for over twenty years and people are still trying to significantly improve pay and conditions. Usually it's well intentioned new crew and I applaud them for their intent but you've got to be realistic.
The a/c has a finite future and I suggest you look to the future (787). Now concentrate on that so the 76 problems don't resurface 'cause it will be doing domestos as well.
You maybe able to kill two birds with the one stone!
As for the 76, forget about it. The thing has been around for over twenty years and people are still trying to significantly improve pay and conditions. Usually it's well intentioned new crew and I applaud them for their intent but you've got to be realistic.
The a/c has a finite future and I suggest you look to the future (787). Now concentrate on that so the 76 problems don't resurface 'cause it will be doing domestos as well.
You maybe able to kill two birds with the one stone!
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Spot on Wingspar. For someone who is a spokesman on everything QANTAS old Keg has stayed in the dark on the EBA rollover bit like that other mouth DD. Then it is also clear that on other matters such as LOA161 he is unaware of the broader issues at hand-better call a comm member on that too (I think LOA 161 should go but it is not that simple). Fleet pay for S/O's should be looked at in the next EBA, to say it has to be part of this one is BS.
As you say Tony the EBA is 2 1/4 years old but in the current environment blind Freedy can see that it should be settled sooner that later. Interesting how you raise this Tony after you got your command not before.
As you say Tony the EBA is 2 1/4 years old but in the current environment blind Freedy can see that it should be settled sooner that later. Interesting how you raise this Tony after you got your command not before.