New Ticket Team vying to wrest control of AIPA
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Skypatrol, at least the ARG stood up and threw punches back at the company unlike the mob before them who just asked for the lube and bent over.
The pre-ARG bitter and twisted persons who have made Qroom unreadable now with their endless and bitter hijacking of every thread have a short memory. What did we achieve in their term? Significantly less than what the ARG gave us, which on face value is not much. How proud the vocal ones are of the last EBA - Jetstar (agree to this dud deal and we will look after you), Singapore basings, and the disgraceful LOA161.
Rome was not built in a day, and the damage done in previous terms will take a significant amount of time to heal.
The pre-ARG bitter and twisted persons who have made Qroom unreadable now with their endless and bitter hijacking of every thread have a short memory. What did we achieve in their term? Significantly less than what the ARG gave us, which on face value is not much. How proud the vocal ones are of the last EBA - Jetstar (agree to this dud deal and we will look after you), Singapore basings, and the disgraceful LOA161.
Rome was not built in a day, and the damage done in previous terms will take a significant amount of time to heal.
Heard from an inside source that we members need to look behind what Team Bazza described briefly in yesterdays insights as a "two way street".
Apparently COM approved a motion prohibiting any further company requested concessions to LH contract until allowances "issue" sorted
Three years behind and in certain ports now 80% BEHIND CC
QF better act quick... doesn't A330 concession LAX expire in Jan 09??
Apparently COM approved a motion prohibiting any further company requested concessions to LH contract until allowances "issue" sorted
Three years behind and in certain ports now 80% BEHIND CC
QF better act quick... doesn't A330 concession LAX expire in Jan 09??
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Love or hate the court cases, at least they were the start of us standing up. If they didn't achieve the desired result, it is good to hear a rumour that the current lot are going to show some backbone and keep trying to fight them. The company does not respond to anything unless it costs them money.
So Cloudbuster, I hope you are correct in what you portray above.
So Cloudbuster, I hope you are correct in what you portray above.
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A mate of mine on Com who was an ARG supporter has told me he is optimistic that Team Bazza may turn out all right after all.
It appears the gushing rhetoric about "if we only talked nicely to the company" has been found to not be as fruitful a path as Team Bazza thought and some of them have grudgingly agreed that a lot of the avenues WoodenI took, are in fact the only roads left ,go figure.
So I've been told to be patient give 'em a go and allow the new team to bed things down and the outlook doesn't appear to be as bleak as first thought!
It appears the gushing rhetoric about "if we only talked nicely to the company" has been found to not be as fruitful a path as Team Bazza thought and some of them have grudgingly agreed that a lot of the avenues WoodenI took, are in fact the only roads left ,go figure.
So I've been told to be patient give 'em a go and allow the new team to bed things down and the outlook doesn't appear to be as bleak as first thought!
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Bazzamundi,
"at least the ARG stood up and threw punches back at the company unlike the mob before them who just asked for the lube and bent over."
True, but unfortunately there was no substance behind the punches and that was the problem. It was like watching a violent drunk trying to fight Kostya Tszyu.
I, like most, voted them in hoping for the change they advertised but as it never eventuated, they are now thankfully gone and we can finally move forward as a group.
As for Qroom, well most of the ARG make it as unreadable as much as the others, in fact it's pretty much unreadable anyway......
"at least the ARG stood up and threw punches back at the company unlike the mob before them who just asked for the lube and bent over."
True, but unfortunately there was no substance behind the punches and that was the problem. It was like watching a violent drunk trying to fight Kostya Tszyu.
I, like most, voted them in hoping for the change they advertised but as it never eventuated, they are now thankfully gone and we can finally move forward as a group.
As for Qroom, well most of the ARG make it as unreadable as much as the others, in fact it's pretty much unreadable anyway......
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Sky Patrol,
have you actually looked at industrial laws and other ancillary legislation that underpins all that controls the ebb and flow of industrial relations?
Obviously not!
As "Team Bazza " are now finding, in order to work within the industrial framework one is hamstrung in what is legally available as far as industrial leverage is concerned !
At least, from what I have seen ,the ARG had the cajones to actually do whatever was possible at the time.
Time will tell if what they did was right or not.
have you actually looked at industrial laws and other ancillary legislation that underpins all that controls the ebb and flow of industrial relations?
Obviously not!
As "Team Bazza " are now finding, in order to work within the industrial framework one is hamstrung in what is legally available as far as industrial leverage is concerned !
At least, from what I have seen ,the ARG had the cajones to actually do whatever was possible at the time.
Time will tell if what they did was right or not.
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The long haul tribe are expecting good things from Team Bazza and everyone hopes their polite approach to Qantas will pay off. But you and your mates continual knocking of the ARG has set Bazza’s bar quite high and the some of the tribe are being to worry that the Bazza's team hasn’t got enough ticker and won’t be able to deliver anything much either.
On the other hand, have it on good authority that remnants of the ARG Team has put an EBA proposal to Bazza’s EBA negotiators asking them to agree an EBA before Christmas that-
· continues the terms and conditions of LHEBA 7 to the end of 2009
· increases hourly rates by 3% pa
· builds pilot ownership in Qantas by accepting shares in the company when CPI exceeds 3%
· fixes the long haul allowance fiasco
· has the company agree to giving all Qantas group pilots a mainline seniority number
Would be a great Christmas present and shouldn't be difficult for Bazza and the boys to get Team Qantas to agree.
The long haul tribe are expecting good things from Team Bazza and everyone hopes their polite approach to Qantas will pay off. But you and your mates continual knocking of the ARG has set Bazza’s bar quite high and the some of the tribe are being to worry that the Bazza's team hasn’t got enough ticker and won’t be able to deliver anything much either.
On the other hand, have it on good authority that remnants of the ARG Team has put an EBA proposal to Bazza’s EBA negotiators asking them to agree an EBA before Christmas that-
· continues the terms and conditions of LHEBA 7 to the end of 2009
· increases hourly rates by 3% pa
· builds pilot ownership in Qantas by accepting shares in the company when CPI exceeds 3%
· fixes the long haul allowance fiasco
· has the company agree to giving all Qantas group pilots a mainline seniority number
Would be a great Christmas present and shouldn't be difficult for Bazza and the boys to get Team Qantas to agree.
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· continues the terms and conditions of LHEBA 7 to the end of 2009
(That's no biggy)
· increases hourly rates by 3% pa
(a 3% payrise is what the company has offered to all employee groups so again no biggy)
· builds pilot ownership in Qantas by accepting shares in the company when CPI exceeds 3%
(That may slow things down a bit due to the issues associated with dilution of shareholdings etc.)
· fixes the long haul allowance fiasco
(Good idea, may require a tradeoff however)
· has the company agree to giving all Qantas group pilots a mainline seniority number
(The GOAL. Bingo, you just killed the deal. No chance of this being agreed to in any time frame prior to December 2009)
This proposal is very simplistic and not really an ARG initiative. Anyone could come up with this on a bar coaster (indeed a number have around the traps). Except the ever elusive GOAL.
It really begs the question, why wasn't this the negotiated position when the ARG was in power instead of attempting to rewrite the book? 76% NO vote shows how out of touch they were with the members.
(That's no biggy)
· increases hourly rates by 3% pa
(a 3% payrise is what the company has offered to all employee groups so again no biggy)
· builds pilot ownership in Qantas by accepting shares in the company when CPI exceeds 3%
(That may slow things down a bit due to the issues associated with dilution of shareholdings etc.)
· fixes the long haul allowance fiasco
(Good idea, may require a tradeoff however)
· has the company agree to giving all Qantas group pilots a mainline seniority number
(The GOAL. Bingo, you just killed the deal. No chance of this being agreed to in any time frame prior to December 2009)
This proposal is very simplistic and not really an ARG initiative. Anyone could come up with this on a bar coaster (indeed a number have around the traps). Except the ever elusive GOAL.
It really begs the question, why wasn't this the negotiated position when the ARG was in power instead of attempting to rewrite the book? 76% NO vote shows how out of touch they were with the members.
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The GOAL is nothing more than a ruse by AIPA to get Qlink Dash pilots to join up.The former pres never actually stated how AIPA was going bring home the bacon,rather,just join and see what happens??
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Now's the time for a GOAL.
Qantas and BA are flirting & the government is rewriting the commercial rules of aviation and the Qantas Sale Act.
Surely AIPA can find good reason amongst all that's going on to get up and EBA that would be good for mainline S/O's and F/O's and the rest of the Qantas pilot group.
Come on Guys - kick a GOAL and show us all that new AIPA is more than just ARG talk.
Might just make Bazza a hero in his own time.
Qantas and BA are flirting & the government is rewriting the commercial rules of aviation and the Qantas Sale Act.
Surely AIPA can find good reason amongst all that's going on to get up and EBA that would be good for mainline S/O's and F/O's and the rest of the Qantas pilot group.
Come on Guys - kick a GOAL and show us all that new AIPA is more than just ARG talk.
Might just make Bazza a hero in his own time.
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Nunc est bibendum
It really begs the question, why wasn't this the negotiated position when the ARG was in power instead of attempting to rewrite the book? 76% NO vote shows how out of touch they were with the members.
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3 % You are joking?
Team Bazza might as well give up if thats all they can do!
My local Asian Fish Wife could do better, in fact she did. Her prices went up at least 30% in the last 3 years.
Team Bazza might as well give up if thats all they can do!
My local Asian Fish Wife could do better, in fact she did. Her prices went up at least 30% in the last 3 years.
Nunc est bibendum
It's not 3%. I happened to have a quick 5 minute chat with Barry a week or so ago. The ask is more. Whether we get it depends on how hard we're prepared to negotiate.
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Keg probably hasn't bothered replying as GOAL has been explained mulitple times on other threads. It's a simple concept, do a search.
The only thing that has to be implemented is getting the company to agree to it.
The only thing that has to be implemented is getting the company to agree to it.
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Right the GOAL concept must be crap if the ARG pushed it!
Is that why the promotional limitations were introduced into the now defunct EBA8 in order to limit the company's exposure through increased training costs reference the GOAL.Would GOAL have had a chance if EBA 8
was now in place?
By the way ,how many other airlines use a similar concept?
Is that why the promotional limitations were introduced into the now defunct EBA8 in order to limit the company's exposure through increased training costs reference the GOAL.Would GOAL have had a chance if EBA 8
was now in place?
By the way ,how many other airlines use a similar concept?
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What The wrote:
Hasn't time spoken? Are any of the ARG still on the Executive?
This time you are refering to is?
The Com, 40 people?
Team Bazza played a politically crafty game, they only had to convince a minimum of 21+ people on Com in order to take control of the executive.
ARG , the dumb f@&ks had to convince 1200+ people to vote for them through a general election .
A couple of times too wasn't it ?
Then again the tribe has spoken!
I wonder what the tribe is going to say next when they find out the" softly softly" approach doesn't work either?
Hasn't time spoken? Are any of the ARG still on the Executive?
This time you are refering to is?
The Com, 40 people?
Team Bazza played a politically crafty game, they only had to convince a minimum of 21+ people on Com in order to take control of the executive.
ARG , the dumb f@&ks had to convince 1200+ people to vote for them through a general election .
A couple of times too wasn't it ?
Then again the tribe has spoken!
I wonder what the tribe is going to say next when they find out the" softly softly" approach doesn't work either?
Holic,if you you read my last two posts you will see that I am not asking for an explanation of the GOAL rather how they(AIPA) intend to implement it.I,and others,have been asking this question since the idea put to us by the then president(RH) and to date still have no plausible answer.If Keg did have an answer I am sure we would have seen it long ago.