New Ticket Team vying to wrest control of AIPA
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Captain K,prior to being deployed on those other routes they will be given a fresh coat of J* paint.
Let 'em. If QF Exco want J* operating a particular route then that is what will happen. The old ruse of "If you don't bend to our will then this other mob will get the flying instead" is hackneyed, trite, worn out, banal drivel. It scared J* into accepting a massively inferior package to fly the A330 when they were always going to get it.
I'm heartily sick of all the threats we live under. We either get the flying or we don't and I'm happy to live with it either way.
Let 'em. If QF Exco want J* operating a particular route then that is what will happen. The old ruse of "If you don't bend to our will then this other mob will get the flying instead" is hackneyed, trite, worn out, banal drivel. It scared J* into accepting a massively inferior package to fly the A330 when they were always going to get it.
I'm heartily sick of all the threats we live under. We either get the flying or we don't and I'm happy to live with it either way.
QF to pull out of BOM because the greedy pilots want the same allowance that the guys and girls down the back get. That may be the straw that breaks the camels back. Are they serious? The profitabilty of a route is based on 4 blokes allowances.
****, we are in serious trouble.
Also for you Qrewroom readers. Have been told WK(the ex deputy cheif pilot) has been hired by the company as a HR consultant. He tells everyone on this website that he doesn't care, I'm retired, Blah, Blah. Total bull**** artist.
****, we are in serious trouble.
Also for you Qrewroom readers. Have been told WK(the ex deputy cheif pilot) has been hired by the company as a HR consultant. He tells everyone on this website that he doesn't care, I'm retired, Blah, Blah. Total bull**** artist.
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Rumour has it the AIPA concession to fly A330's to LAX expires this month also
Wonder if Jetstar will be redeployed to this route also
Pretty soon at this rate no QF pilot will have a job
Good thing EBA 7 contains all that pesky redundancy provisions - that will cost Charlie Q a SH*%LOAD
Wonder if Jetstar will be redeployed to this route also
Pretty soon at this rate no QF pilot will have a job
Good thing EBA 7 contains all that pesky redundancy provisions - that will cost Charlie Q a SH*%LOAD
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You can also throw into the equation that the approval to operate the A380 expires at the end of the initial 3 month period which occurrs on 19th January. At that time the aircraft is parked against the fence until such time as the pay and conditions are agreed (supposing the pilots show some solidarity and agree not to fly it). Admittedly it will be a pretty big fence as QF now has 3 of the shiny new jets.
I guess J* will also start operating the 380 then as well - gee they sure are going to be busy!!
I also suspect that Oldmeadow is possibly facing a last throw of the industrial dice as if QF cave now on allowances to keep their a/c flying, having been belligerent for 3 years, it will come as a big capitulation and empower the pilots. Not a scenario that Oldmeadow would like to face. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place!!
I guess J* will also start operating the 380 then as well - gee they sure are going to be busy!!
I also suspect that Oldmeadow is possibly facing a last throw of the industrial dice as if QF cave now on allowances to keep their a/c flying, having been belligerent for 3 years, it will come as a big capitulation and empower the pilots. Not a scenario that Oldmeadow would like to face. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place!!
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Bring it on .
Spoken to a few on Comm and I am glad to say it appears Team Bazza may have some balls after all, thank god.
How does that redundancy provision work again?
Isn't EBA7 pre WorkChoices? Therefore no Operational Redundancy Provisions? This sounds very expensive for management if they think they are going to get an easy Down sizing of Qantas and a cheap right sizing of JetStar.
All I can add is don't fall for some cheap carrot dangling exercise from management to try and get the pilots to do a dirty roll over of EBA7 and then be subjected to WorkChoices legislation .
Spoken to a few on Comm and I am glad to say it appears Team Bazza may have some balls after all, thank god.
How does that redundancy provision work again?
Isn't EBA7 pre WorkChoices? Therefore no Operational Redundancy Provisions? This sounds very expensive for management if they think they are going to get an easy Down sizing of Qantas and a cheap right sizing of JetStar.
All I can add is don't fall for some cheap carrot dangling exercise from management to try and get the pilots to do a dirty roll over of EBA7 and then be subjected to WorkChoices legislation .
Nunc est bibendum
I guess J* will also start operating the 380 then as well - gee they sure are going to be busy!!
Yes Cpt Kremin correct. Isnt it wonderfull to have a win. Well done to BJ. Its great to see the bullys blink. Its just great news. 
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Instead of "The company caved in" or "we've had a win", I would like to think that this shows a moderating in both parties behavior. AIPA has shown some guts but have moved away from the litigation path, and Qantas has stepped away from the confrontation at all costs attitude. Frankly, Qantas's attitude was really pissing me off, QF expect the highest ethical standards from its crew but show little in industrial ethics. Hopefully a way forward for the hard times ahead.
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Yes, yes yes you are correct. A great leap forward in relations between AIPA and the Company.. statemanship shown by all.... blah blah blah
(But they F^%$&*g caved!!)
Ask Barry about the phone call he got from senior management a few days ago if you don't believe me....
(But they F^%$&*g caved!!)
Ask Barry about the phone call he got from senior management a few days ago if you don't believe me....
Nunc est bibendum
So given the great thawing in relations between QF and it's pilots I'm guessing an EBA8 of 5+5+5 and a 10% bonus back paid for the last couple of years is only weeks away?!?!
Good to see QF seeing the sense in this one.
Good to see QF seeing the sense in this one.
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Ask Barry about the phone call he got from senior management a few days ago if you don't believe me....
Go and read "Seven Habits" and in particular the section about "win-win". Then you'll understand what a negotiation is really about.
Well done to the new AIPA team, but for God's sake, don't gloat. All it does is make the opposition more determined to win next time.
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MrWooby wrote :"The company caved in" or "we've had a win", I would like to think that this shows a moderating in both parties behavior
Sure Mr Wooby,
A moderating in both parties behavior but what came first "the chicken or the egg?"
Who started down this road of systematic marginalisation first?
Here's a hint ,it wasn't AIPA!
Sure Mr Wooby,
A moderating in both parties behavior but what came first "the chicken or the egg?"
Who started down this road of systematic marginalisation first?
Here's a hint ,it wasn't AIPA!
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systematic marginalisation?
You can spend your life as a conspiracy theorist or realise that the fundamental basis to any negotiation is the underlying relationship. If you come in all guns blazing like Yosemite Sam there's a fair chance you're going to get the same in return.
Why can't you guys be happy?
You've had a return to the system whereby you get the same allowances as the cabin crew after 3 years in the wilderness due to the ARG taking Qantas to court on the issue of "First Class Accommodation". As someone who knows once said "Don't pick the fight if you don't know the outcome".
You can spend your life as a conspiracy theorist or realise that the fundamental basis to any negotiation is the underlying relationship. If you come in all guns blazing like Yosemite Sam there's a fair chance you're going to get the same in return.
Why can't you guys be happy?
You've had a return to the system whereby you get the same allowances as the cabin crew after 3 years in the wilderness due to the ARG taking Qantas to court on the issue of "First Class Accommodation". As someone who knows once said "Don't pick the fight if you don't know the outcome".
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Gloating will get us nowhere!
Disappointed in your supposed quote there Kremin. This is a good outcome but it would have been so much better, and easier, if Qantas had not allowed it to become the festering issue it did. I hope it's a portent of things to come.
I would also hope that probable "off-the-record" or "behind-closed-doors" statements, if even only partly true, might remain that way in order to better continue what might be an improving trend in dealings between AIPA and QF.
In my observation mistrust of QF management is still very pronounced. Much more needs to be done if Joyce's tenure is to get the best from employees as opposed to the caustic propensity to denigrate staff under the previous administration. This sort of 'turn-around' might just be the first step.
I'm prepared to look for more reasons to be optimitsic. EBA8v2 will be a telling chapter. Please consider sanitizing your post.
ps, I did call B.
And What The; "3 years in the wilderness" was all ARG's fault? And here was I thinking that a whole AIPA committee felt that the AIRC/court were the only remaining options when QF unilaterally decided to vary past-precedent interpretations of "first class", allowance reviews, grievance resolution, time relief for AIPA reps etc as it flatly refused to negotiate. Odd.
I would also hope that probable "off-the-record" or "behind-closed-doors" statements, if even only partly true, might remain that way in order to better continue what might be an improving trend in dealings between AIPA and QF.
In my observation mistrust of QF management is still very pronounced. Much more needs to be done if Joyce's tenure is to get the best from employees as opposed to the caustic propensity to denigrate staff under the previous administration. This sort of 'turn-around' might just be the first step.
I'm prepared to look for more reasons to be optimitsic. EBA8v2 will be a telling chapter. Please consider sanitizing your post.
ps, I did call B.
And What The; "3 years in the wilderness" was all ARG's fault? And here was I thinking that a whole AIPA committee felt that the AIRC/court were the only remaining options when QF unilaterally decided to vary past-precedent interpretations of "first class", allowance reviews, grievance resolution, time relief for AIPA reps etc as it flatly refused to negotiate. Odd.
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