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no HF?
no idea how the action went today, but had a chat to a tech on the dog last night - the CEPU failed to get their paper work in on time and were not able to participate in industrial action (check the flurry of emails from 'corporate affairs' last night), some inter union angst to be played out?
the civil air agreement is still not ratified, no idea what the hold up is?
guess it is some political roadblock, Gillard is the sign off authority but suspect she is busy putting out 'free holiday in china' fires at the mo!
the secrecy is to avoid opposition (bill heffernan & julian mcguaran) getting hold of details ahead of sign off.
the proposal is available to all civil air members via local rep.
for the record: any proposed wage increase on floated numbers is <4% when calculated from last eba pay rise!
no idea how the action went today, but had a chat to a tech on the dog last night - the CEPU failed to get their paper work in on time and were not able to participate in industrial action (check the flurry of emails from 'corporate affairs' last night), some inter union angst to be played out?
the civil air agreement is still not ratified, no idea what the hold up is?
guess it is some political roadblock, Gillard is the sign off authority but suspect she is busy putting out 'free holiday in china' fires at the mo!
the secrecy is to avoid opposition (bill heffernan & julian mcguaran) getting hold of details ahead of sign off.
the proposal is available to all civil air members via local rep.
for the record: any proposed wage increase on floated numbers is <4% when calculated from last eba pay rise!
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Chill Pill People
How about you all take a deep breath.
The agreement is all locked in black and white, and is now out of the hands of AsA and Civil Air.
It is the public servants of DEEWR and Workplace Authority that are delaying the deal at the moment. They are scruitinising the deal, and until they give their tick, neither side can do anything to progress it.
Both sides are keen to get this all sorted, and it is frustrating.
However, this is not the time to say "I don't care".
It may not happen overnight, but it will happen!
The agreement is all locked in black and white, and is now out of the hands of AsA and Civil Air.
It is the public servants of DEEWR and Workplace Authority that are delaying the deal at the moment. They are scruitinising the deal, and until they give their tick, neither side can do anything to progress it.
Both sides are keen to get this all sorted, and it is frustrating.
However, this is not the time to say "I don't care".
It may not happen overnight, but it will happen!
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I think people would be more understanding of the delay if we had progressed to this point last year instead of listening to TFN and his negotiating team spin every story that they could about how none of the problems are their fault. Now we finally get them to a point where they are being a bit more sensible but we all get a "be quiet because we don't want to upset anything" order. Where was TFN's order to shut his mouth last year? Just goes to show, once again, who the real professionals are.
I think what has been clear through this whole process is that the problems in ASA are not industrial ones; they are management ones. The sooner we get this CA out of the way the sooner the axe can fall of the pack of incompetent, manipulative and misguided managers that we have been lumped with. Unless of course they all get rewarded for achieving a result under "extremely difficult circumstances".
I think what has been clear through this whole process is that the problems in ASA are not industrial ones; they are management ones. The sooner we get this CA out of the way the sooner the axe can fall of the pack of incompetent, manipulative and misguided managers that we have been lumped with. Unless of course they all get rewarded for achieving a result under "extremely difficult circumstances".
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The sooner we get this CA out of the way the sooner the axe can fall of the pack of incompetent, manipulative and misguided managers that we have been lumped with.
Unless of course they all get rewarded for achieving a result under "extremely difficult circumstances".
I suspect the reward package is all ready, and will be signed off by the board seconds after DEEWR signs off on the agreement.
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how about you send me a copy of the doc then. why is it that we cannot see what is in it? why could we not see it before the road show, so as too be informed.
its too late to care, once again its only the centre's that matter, and as for ausfic they should not have screwed us all those years ago
how about you send me a copy of the doc then. why is it that we cannot see what is in it? why could we not see it before the road show, so as too be informed.
its too late to care, once again its only the centre's that matter, and as for ausfic they should not have screwed us all those years ago
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mmhbtower,
No, I cannot email you a copy. But if your delegate hasn't been able to brief you, PM me your number, and I will get one of the Commitee of management to call you personally and give you every detail you would care to know.
If you have had a briefing, you will know as well as I do that it is not centre-centric. It is fair across the board.
Agree with your comments about the "splitters" though. I don't think they are real happy with their offers.
No, I cannot email you a copy. But if your delegate hasn't been able to brief you, PM me your number, and I will get one of the Commitee of management to call you personally and give you every detail you would care to know.
If you have had a briefing, you will know as well as I do that it is not centre-centric. It is fair across the board.
Agree with your comments about the "splitters" though. I don't think they are real happy with their offers.
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Unfortunately no news on Ministerial sign off. The prohibited content review has identified a few minor wording issues but still awaiting the sign off.
As others have mentioned be patient (as hard as it can be).
Unfortunately no news on Ministerial sign off. The prohibited content review has identified a few minor wording issues but still awaiting the sign off.
As others have mentioned be patient (as hard as it can be).
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its too late to care, once again its only the centre's that matter
Personally I'm disappointed with the outcome, but my vote isn't going to be determined by apathy.
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What happened to the Civilair graph tracking airspace closures and restrictions on the Civilair website.
It seems to be gone now. I see the stats are available under 'airspace' but the graph was a nice comparison.
It was going to be interesting to watch what happened over the next couple of months too.
It seems to be gone now. I see the stats are available under 'airspace' but the graph was a nice comparison.
It was going to be interesting to watch what happened over the next couple of months too.
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BaileysWhat happened to the Civilair graph tracking airspace closures and restrictions on the Civilair website.
It seems to be gone now. I see the stats are available under 'airspace' but the graph was a nice comparison.
It was going to be interesting to watch what happened over the next couple of months too.
It seems to be gone now. I see the stats are available under 'airspace' but the graph was a nice comparison.
It was going to be interesting to watch what happened over the next couple of months too.
I suggest to you that the only reason the graph may stay flatlined is that a whole bunch of previously soon to be retired controllers have just seen a big chunk of their superannuation disappear thanks to the GFC and will now be sticking around a bit longer to build it back up, temporarily alleviating the staffing problem.
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My inference is that the graph which has been on the front page for so long and being used as a tool for showing the public how bad the staffing situation is, is now gone.
Is the staffing problem now suddenly fixed? Is it co-incidental that it is gone at a time when ATC CA negotiations are being finalised?
It doesn't make sense to me - that's all. It should still be there highlighting the problem.
I also notice that there have been no "Airspace Closures / Staff Reductions" since the 24th March, 2009 according to the figures.
I'm just stating the facts and asking some obvious questions.
Is the staffing problem now suddenly fixed? Is it co-incidental that it is gone at a time when ATC CA negotiations are being finalised?
It doesn't make sense to me - that's all. It should still be there highlighting the problem.
I also notice that there have been no "Airspace Closures / Staff Reductions" since the 24th March, 2009 according to the figures.
I'm just stating the facts and asking some obvious questions.
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I am with Baileys on this one.
If you read my previous posts, you should realise that I am not digging - I don't want to see your negotiations come to naught. Hence, I don't need to know about the outcome. As I said before, it's an issue between you and your employer and, if it's eventually made public, then that's well and good.
I also repeat that the level of restraint on the part of your reps and the members themselves has been commendable. However, the 24th March comment by Baileys has some resonance. For those of us not in the know, who have also refused to swallow the argument that it was 'covert industrial action' solely aimed at CA negotiations, we're a bit puzzled.
The current situation, whereby there have not been any closures/service reductions since 24th March tends to reinforce the attestation by the spin-doctors that it was just a few 'renegades'.
I still don't believe it, but the public might. And I won't mention McGauran.
If you read my previous posts, you should realise that I am not digging - I don't want to see your negotiations come to naught. Hence, I don't need to know about the outcome. As I said before, it's an issue between you and your employer and, if it's eventually made public, then that's well and good.
I also repeat that the level of restraint on the part of your reps and the members themselves has been commendable. However, the 24th March comment by Baileys has some resonance. For those of us not in the know, who have also refused to swallow the argument that it was 'covert industrial action' solely aimed at CA negotiations, we're a bit puzzled.
The current situation, whereby there have not been any closures/service reductions since 24th March tends to reinforce the attestation by the spin-doctors that it was just a few 'renegades'.
I still don't believe it, but the public might. And I won't mention McGauran.
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well now we are damned if we do, and damned if we don't aren't we?
has it occured to anyone that most of the civil air website stuff is done by volunteers in their own time, and perhaps they have not found the time to update the last week or so of data? I seem to recall there was a week or so before any data for March was put up.
that's before we even mention some of the new stand-by rosters that ALMS have come up with to make service interruptions less transparent to industry. It is getting harder and harder to have anyone put out a "expect delays" NOTAM due staff shortages - the only time the industry gets told is when they have to be (i.e. TIBA)
has it occured to anyone that most of the civil air website stuff is done by volunteers in their own time, and perhaps they have not found the time to update the last week or so of data? I seem to recall there was a week or so before any data for March was put up.
that's before we even mention some of the new stand-by rosters that ALMS have come up with to make service interruptions less transparent to industry. It is getting harder and harder to have anyone put out a "expect delays" NOTAM due staff shortages - the only time the industry gets told is when they have to be (i.e. TIBA)
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Apologies UVATC; and I understand that you guys are in the proverbial 'cleft stick.'
I'll shut up for the moment, hope that it all works out and that the spin-merchants get their's eventually.
I'll shut up for the moment, hope that it all works out and that the spin-merchants get their's eventually.
Is silence worth 4%??
Does any AUS ATC maybe have a sinking feeling that we won the battle but lost the war??
A very few interesting months coming up, perhaps a lot more that the supposed exciting ones last year...
A very few interesting months coming up, perhaps a lot more that the supposed exciting ones last year...