Merged: ASA Staff Shortage

[Here to Help]

That subject appears to have disappered along the way.

The staff shortage continues. Below are areas NOTAMed either TIBA or delays/restrictions due non-availability of staff from this month so far (from www.civilair.asn.au ):
8 March - Melbourne Airport
8 March - Sydney Airport
7 March - Melbourne Airport
7 March - Perth Airport
7 March - Sydney Airport
6 March - Central West Australia
6 March - Southern West Australia
5 March - Western Victoria
5 March - Mid West NSW
5 March - Tasmania
3 March - Sydney Airport
3 March - East of Perth
3 March - Exmouth Gulf Area
3 March - South West WA
3 March - Central West Australia
2 March - Mid West NSW
2 March - Western Victoria / South West NSW
2 March - Tasmania
2 March - Southern West Australia
2 March - Central West Australia
1 March - Northern NSW
1 March - Perth Airport
1 March - Sydney Arrivals North

[blind freddy]

Wellconcerned,

We know you are bitter because you sold your soul to the AWA devil.

Now you are going to watch the controllers in the centre get a good payrise, and keep their conditions, while you gave everything up for the dollars which have failed to increase significantly. Enjoying all the unpaid overtime??

Soon the decent people that actually do work, rather than sit at the front desk bitching, will be better off than you.

No sympathy.

[Hempy]

A little birdie told me today that there was an attempt to have the Operational Sim reduced from 3 shifts to 2 to save on paying blippies for weekends (i.e off composite salary). When will ASA realise that half the reason they are in this mess is because they axed the training section in the first place...

[Here to Help]

Civil Air members check the Civil Air forum for an update...

[cbradio]

thanks for the advice WC, I just hope its better than this pearl you gave us last year -

WC - If you were smart, you'd pool with your friends, put in $10,000 each, and buy a 50,000 gallon tank of petrol now [yes, it is possible to do - and your local service station can make arrangements]. It's the equivalent of fuel hedging, and you'll save a small fortune - and you'll be driving when others can't.

what was petrol then - about $1.50 a litre?

Maybe you are with ASA.

[West Coast Services]

Blind Freddy....

I believe that Well Concerned is from ML. I will leave you all to ponder

[blind freddy]

Roadshows

First day of the ATC CA roadshow. Cairns first up.
Anyone able to give some feedback as to how it all goes?

[TrafficTraffic]

Anyone able to give some feedback as to how it all goes?

...South from Cairns I believe.....

[ICAO-Delta]

12 signs warning against investment

How many of these warning indicators apply to the CEO and Board/Management of Airservices? Any one of them is regarded as an investment disincentive.

1. Poor track record?
2. Excessive pay?
3. Too much jargon?
4. Small shareholdings?
5. Too many external activities?
6. Over-emphasising the short term?
7. Evasiveness and covering up mistakes?
8. Telling the market what it wants to hear?
9. Saying one thing and doing another?
10. Talking up the share price?
11. External appointments to senior positions?
12. Expansion for the sake of it?

[cattledog]

So what does 10/12 add up to.
They would have got a perfect score but there are no shares to go around !!!!
Perhaps if you count 3 and 8 twice (masters of this) then 12/12 it is.

(ouch)

[JackoSchitt]

CPSU vote on protected action..............

AEC announced the CPSU vote on protected industrial action today and

96.7% VOTED YES

Techs are loaded for bear and ready to rumble
Admin are livid at rumoured comments from Fort Fumble
Ausfic are making holiday bookings for the forthcoming 2 days off

I have never seen this amount of agro before......kinda makes complete farce of the "better way of doing things" don't you think?

[Plazbot]

About now is probably the time those above parts of the organisation wish they did not run scared 2 EBAs ago and vote to split and go it alone after the number 1 sticking point was 1 agreement V 5 and ATC took the pain.

[Jamitupyr]

My recollection

Plaz,

Not that it matters much for today's vote, - but my recollection of 2 EBAs back (i.e 2002) was that all parties were ready to do one agreement including Civilair, and then at the last moment, Civilair felt they could not go ahead and said to the other unions, "Don't let us stop you from doing a deal now if you wish and your ready." It was on that basis (that of Civilair leaving the collective) that we ended up with multiple agreements.

'Tis a bid odd now, that apart from ARFF, Civilair seems willing to do its deal with AA prior to the other unions being ready. The only thing is.... What are the details of such deal????

To my mind, CPSU, CEPU, APESMA etc should exercise their rights (ie. action) to get what is due. I understand that TAS and AusFIC in particular have some very strongly felt issues on conditions - yes conditions and money is not the show stopper so far - but absolute intransigence from the Management. This vote was just so predictable.

[Frink]

I think perhaps you may not have had a full grasp on the situation a few years back, Jamitupyr, or else your recollection has been clouded with the passage of time.

As someone who was involved, I recall distinctly the incredible lengths Civil Air went to trying to retain strength and unity in seeking one agreement. It was most definitely the other unions who felt they could and should 'go it alone' and left Civil Air in the lurch. Of course that decision was a no-brainer when they were able to get the caveat in their agreements that if Civil Air did better than them on any aspects, that they would subsequently get the improved conditions too. I wonder if that is why you are interested in the details of the Civil Air agreement this time around?

That said, 97% is a great result for the CPSU and I hope they get exactly what they deserve.

[everyonefedup]

I had a look at the Fire fighters aviation union page and they have their draft CA up there. I am not half suprised the union has agreed to it since it is such a roll over by ASA... the managers must have really wanted it to go through since they can't get the other agreements together. The grievance procedure has stayed, the consultation clause looks pretty similar... the few "wins" that ASA have look pretty token to me. For example - they have gotten rid of sick leave as required and replaced it with 180 hours (18 - 22 days )per annum plus if you don't have any leave they can advance it to you plus if you are sick for more than 28 days they will give you sick leave without it coming off your sick leave balance... so it is pretty much sick leave as required but they have just changed the words around...

So it looks OK - ... but the fundamental problem with these types of deals is that it relies on the organisation acting in an honest and faithful way even after the agreement has been signed off... call me skeptical but I just can't see this team of bright sparks actually making decisions in line with the spirit of the agreement without being dragged in front of the comission every five seconds. How many times have we seen a promise been broken? I don't know... I wish the fire fighters the best and hope that ASA lives up to expectations but I would rather everything go into the agreement and nothing is left up to management discretion... at least I know what I will be getting.

[Plazbot]

Originally Posted by Jamitupyr

'Tis a bid odd now, that apart from ARFF, Civilair seems willing to do its deal with AA prior to the other unions being ready.

As pointed out above, your recollection is quite a way from what actually happened. There was no possibility of Civil Air doing anything alone as at that time there was only 1 Certified Agreement that covered the 5 that now exist. This was the major sticking point of the entire negotiation as Airservices wanted to split the 1 into 5 and therefore weaken the bargaining strength of the entire workforce (whoopsie). Airservices then put the 5 to a vote and the only one not voted in was the ATC agreement. This meant that the 4 other areas decided that they would go for a quick win of a few months of pay rises and thumb their nose at the protection that solidarity can afford than to stick it out like ATC did with national protected Indudtrial action.

Now, 6 or so years later these 4 other groups are crying foul that they are not getting the same deal as ATC are potentially getting and asking for the support AND then as you have done above QUESTION why ATC did not try for an across the board same same agreement for all.

I ask you, have you done your DAMP CBT becuase you have GOT to be drunk right now

The only thing more pathetic that I have seen with respect to long term ideals held within the Certified Agreements are those that chose to sign an ALM contract. No contracts in operational environments has been the absolute 'no negotiation' part of the profession since Certified Agreements came into existence. I hear that 'market forces' will be used when their current contracts expire. With the global financial crisis, I have a feeling there may be some pain on the way. Tough titties.

[BN APP 125.6]

AWA's.

Live by the sword......

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Did I hear around 18% over 3 years........

At least that will keep up with the 'future' inflation I guess.
Don't know about 'past' inflation rates though.....

[burple]

Griffo,
Depends on whose rubbery figures you believe. Pity the CANG were so defensive when this question was raised.

[BN APP 125.6]

You must have been to a different briefing, or asked a different question to the one I did, because it was quite clear to me what the % was.

If you really are a Civil Air member why don't you go back and ask your delegate, or ask to see the draft document?

Nobody I have seen from Civil Air is defensive. The only defensive comments I have been privvy to have been from those representing the ASA side of the negotiation. (Although they were more offensive than defensive generally)