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Which idiot put his signature to that?
Pick one, we've got heaps.
A 'safety orientated culture' that is bonus driven, and puts ATS Front Line Managers (ALMs) on vastly inflated contracts.
This leads to situations, due staff shortages, where ALMs deem it is okay for trainees to train for ratings in the simulator by themselves with no instuctors, that people who have been assessed as being no longer proficient are instructing due no-one else available. This is all being done to facillitate the transition to SDE, whose benefits are dubious and over inflated to say the least.
SDE is predicated on controllers having generic ratings, like pilots being endorsed and assessed as current on multiple aircraft types. A controller recently returned from Europe, states that studies done over there indicate that controller efficiency drops around 25-30% because they have to continually be thinking about what sector they are on, what co-ord is required,what separation standard they use, etc, etc because, like aircraft, every sector has its own quirks and set-ups, and a more conscious effort has to be made to double check everything you are doing when previously it was more of an 'unconscious competence' action. You MUST slow down to make sure you are not applying an action from somewhere else to your current environment.
Also, ASA want to take what is currently an autonomous Check and Standardisation area and put it under the control of, and make it the pathway to, the contract ALM position.
Not impugning on anyones integrity, but there does seem to be a conflict of interest when someones rise to the riches of the ALM non 24/7, non separating of aircraft ( thats right no more 24/7/365 shiftwork,more weekends off, no responsibility of separating aircraft, @$200k package) is predicated on keeping the ALMs happy with the checking of controllers. Besides being impartial you must be seen to be impartial. A la the Westminster system of the Separation of Powers.
If something does go wrong the day of reckoning with what has gone on will have to be seen to be believed. Pity the travelling public.
Pick one, we've got heaps.
A 'safety orientated culture' that is bonus driven, and puts ATS Front Line Managers (ALMs) on vastly inflated contracts.
This leads to situations, due staff shortages, where ALMs deem it is okay for trainees to train for ratings in the simulator by themselves with no instuctors, that people who have been assessed as being no longer proficient are instructing due no-one else available. This is all being done to facillitate the transition to SDE, whose benefits are dubious and over inflated to say the least.
SDE is predicated on controllers having generic ratings, like pilots being endorsed and assessed as current on multiple aircraft types. A controller recently returned from Europe, states that studies done over there indicate that controller efficiency drops around 25-30% because they have to continually be thinking about what sector they are on, what co-ord is required,what separation standard they use, etc, etc because, like aircraft, every sector has its own quirks and set-ups, and a more conscious effort has to be made to double check everything you are doing when previously it was more of an 'unconscious competence' action. You MUST slow down to make sure you are not applying an action from somewhere else to your current environment.
Also, ASA want to take what is currently an autonomous Check and Standardisation area and put it under the control of, and make it the pathway to, the contract ALM position.
Not impugning on anyones integrity, but there does seem to be a conflict of interest when someones rise to the riches of the ALM non 24/7, non separating of aircraft ( thats right no more 24/7/365 shiftwork,more weekends off, no responsibility of separating aircraft, @$200k package) is predicated on keeping the ALMs happy with the checking of controllers. Besides being impartial you must be seen to be impartial. A la the Westminster system of the Separation of Powers.
If something does go wrong the day of reckoning with what has gone on will have to be seen to be believed. Pity the travelling public.
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That's an interesting observation DNS. I didn't realize TFN was supposed to fix the mess. I thought his bonus was predicated on reducing costs. All the initiatives and metrics are in place to encourage a bigger mess.
The light bulb will go on one day, but I'm not holding my breath.
The light bulb will go on one day, but I'm not holding my breath.
Air No Services.............
"This from the company that made an net profit of $106M in 2007, and $92M this year -"
WOW!!
Just imagine!! For THAT we could have kept that 'Pesky' Flight Service Thingy....and still returned a profit - although a much smaller profit!
Imagine the services which would STILL be supplied...........
HF that somebody answers - DTI OCTA - weathers NOW - etc etc
MANNED PILOT BRIEFING OFFICES - You Know, like the ones we used to have where ALL operational info was avbl, face to face, as well as all required publications. It was like....AsA's shop front window...
Ah Well.............The $'s must be more important.
Now, if ONLY it was reinvested back into the industry.........which is supposed to be a MAIN infrastructure of the country.....
Regards to all.........
WOW!!
Just imagine!! For THAT we could have kept that 'Pesky' Flight Service Thingy....and still returned a profit - although a much smaller profit!
Imagine the services which would STILL be supplied...........
HF that somebody answers - DTI OCTA - weathers NOW - etc etc
MANNED PILOT BRIEFING OFFICES - You Know, like the ones we used to have where ALL operational info was avbl, face to face, as well as all required publications. It was like....AsA's shop front window...
Ah Well.............The $'s must be more important.
Now, if ONLY it was reinvested back into the industry.........which is supposed to be a MAIN infrastructure of the country.....
Regards to all.........
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staffing problem solved...... for a lot of places overseas!
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staffing problem solved...... for a lot of places overseas!
YouTube - Crisis!
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The only renegades I can see here is, Greg Russell and Brian Mueller ex National party members appointed by the ex government. They have their own political agenda to start their own waterfront debacle. Then blame it on the current government ‘bargaining framework” for the breakdown in the negotiations, then walk away and say “that’s what you get from a Labor government”.
Thank God ATC's are professional.
Wake up Mr Albanese, they have the wool pulled over your eyes!!!!
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how come no-one has shared their disappointment about missing out on seeing TFN in person.
Originally posted on the avnet, "Meet your CEO for the Year in Review" promised scheduled stops at Perth, Adelaide, Melbroune, Brisbane, Canberra & Sydney.
But TFN cancelled after the first one in Perth.
apparently his delicate psyche may have been damaged by the amount of negative feedback recieved.
way to keep the honest communication going, Greg.
Originally posted on the avnet, "Meet your CEO for the Year in Review" promised scheduled stops at Perth, Adelaide, Melbroune, Brisbane, Canberra & Sydney.
But TFN cancelled after the first one in Perth.
apparently his delicate psyche may have been damaged by the amount of negative feedback recieved.
way to keep the honest communication going, Greg.
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biggest bunch of sooks i've ever seen. If you don't like it piss off and leave. your own buds are saying that here on the site; do it. instead of anonomously posting on forums why don't you try to fix some of the things that are wrong? Oh yeah, because you probably can't do anything else! put up or shut up.
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instead of anonomously posting on forums why don't you try to fix some of the things that are wrong?
I know I shouldn't bite, but OK anon, give us some ideas...
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biggest bunch of sooks i've ever seen. If you don't like it piss off and leave. your own buds are saying that here on the site; do it. instead of anonomously posting on forums why don't you try to fix some of the things that are wrong? Oh yeah, because you probably can't do anything else! put up or shut up.
After a couple of years of banging my head against the proverbial brick wall I decided that I had enough of the headache and did just that. Unfortunately for many of my colleagues left behind its not that simple, leaving a company such as ASA is not that easy when they are the only ANSP in Australia.
If ASA truly valued the professional staff that they have it would never have come to this but it has been obvious for a long time that the ATCs, otherwise known in Canberra as the PP (Precious People), are a hindrance to doing business instead of their main income providers.
I taut I taw an ALM
I did I did!
I did taw an ALM!
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Asanon,
Be advised that its people like yourself running our organisation into the ground, do us all a favour get off your arse and get a rating back.
Add some value.
If you're capable that is!
Most ALM's do absolutely stuff all and are good for stuff all!
Be advised that its people like yourself running our organisation into the ground, do us all a favour get off your arse and get a rating back.
Add some value.
If you're capable that is!
Most ALM's do absolutely stuff all and are good for stuff all!
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do us all a favour get off your arse and get a rating back
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I'd guess the only time asanon gets off his backside would be to stagger out of the AWB for a coffee from the 'Republic'.
Oxygen Thief!!