Merged: Qantas Engineers Set to Strike
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Good luck guys, hope you get want you want, Buuuuut do you think you could make it the following week as I am going to a wedding in London, and fly out on the 16th (perhaps not) and as I am going staff travel?????? and as I am giving away the bride.......um, could be a little difficult..but good luck anyway.
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teresa.......hmmmmm
its all about you!
how about you buy a full fare ticket!
I think the engineers struggle has precedent.
absolutely amazing how people are willing to support them as long as it doesn't inconvenience them!
In my case boys if you go out, I will lose pay and be totally disrupted, but its worth it for your cause I do support YOU.
its all about you!
how about you buy a full fare ticket!
I think the engineers struggle has precedent.
absolutely amazing how people are willing to support them as long as it doesn't inconvenience them!
In my case boys if you go out, I will lose pay and be totally disrupted, but its worth it for your cause I do support YOU.
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The whole maintenance system is struggling to keep up, with OT running full throttle and delays ever growing, QF management are can't let the airline stop for 2 hrs let alone 2 days.
But don't expect them to back down until the last minute, this is going to be the worst medicine that GD has ever tasted and he's going to be awfully pissed off when he does.
The 3% barrier must be broken for the good of all the hard working QF workers.
But don't expect them to back down until the last minute, this is going to be the worst medicine that GD has ever tasted and he's going to be awfully pissed off when he does.
The 3% barrier must be broken for the good of all the hard working QF workers.
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Qantas engineers are planning a series of 48-hour strikes in their campaign for better pay.
Despite fare increases and a record profit year predicted Qantas has refused to improve on a pay offer of 3percent.
The Australian Licensed Engineers Association has begun balloting members and industrial action will probably start in two weeks.
Despite fare increases and a record profit year predicted Qantas has refused to improve on a pay offer of 3percent.
The Australian Licensed Engineers Association has begun balloting members and industrial action will probably start in two weeks.
The LAME had a secret ballot through the AEC for Protected Industrial Action. The results are as below.
Members are advised that the Australian Electoral Commission have now declared the
result of the protected action ballot. The results are -
Yes 993 No 226 Invalid 1 In favour 81.39 %
Percentage of Persons on Roll who Voted 81.14 %
As I am aware there are NO plans for 48-Hour strikes.!!
There are plans for Overtime bans starting next week period. see below
On any calendar day that a member is not rostered for regular duty for any part of that
day, no overtime will be performed by that member. This Protected Industrial Action
will continue until further notice
Within the PIA document, there are provisions to include bans on higher duties and or secondment and 48- hour stop work meetings.
So for the near future there are no strikes planned but allot can change in a week especially when dealing with QF
teresa green
fly out on the 16th (perhaps not) and as I am going staff travel
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Originally Posted by Pass-A-Frozo
You are making yourself far more expensive than the actual money you are asking.
You are making yourself far more expensive than the actual money you are asking.
Oh ! I forgot, GD is a prick ! It's not about the money anymore is it?
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This was sent to me by a mate on the Qantas pilots Union regarding their EBA negotiations,
" The precedent has been set. How quickly people forget that 3% suits where it suits and as in the Jetstar pilots case it doesn't. Remember the Jetstar pilots just signed a deal backdated to the 1st Jan 08(due to expire Sept 08) that gave the "token" 3% but also 6% retention bonus and 6% at risk performance bonus(at the board's discretion) based on Jetstar's financial performance. This is the bottom line we should accept."
I've also been told that it is rumoured that the Qantas execs gave themselves a $100 Million bonus at the beginning of the year in order to get it in before all the poor economic figures started coming out.
That might be worth confirming as well !
" The precedent has been set. How quickly people forget that 3% suits where it suits and as in the Jetstar pilots case it doesn't. Remember the Jetstar pilots just signed a deal backdated to the 1st Jan 08(due to expire Sept 08) that gave the "token" 3% but also 6% retention bonus and 6% at risk performance bonus(at the board's discretion) based on Jetstar's financial performance. This is the bottom line we should accept."
I've also been told that it is rumoured that the Qantas execs gave themselves a $100 Million bonus at the beginning of the year in order to get it in before all the poor economic figures started coming out.
That might be worth confirming as well !
http://www.thewest.com.au/aapstory.a...oryName=481229
Can I suggest you split the difference - 4% pay rise - pretty close to inflation?
QANTAS are into the media spin already with quotes like
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All quite laughable considering what transpired with the Allco bid, what management stood to make out of it and the fact the company is sitting on about $2b cash. Plus then theres the fuel surcharge, ticket price increases, late penalties for the 787 and mooted $1.5b profit.....
What was the increase in profit over the previous half year? 101%.....
Qantas passengers to face delays
9th May 2008, 19:30 WST
Qantas passengers can expect delays this month following the breakdown of wage negotiations with maintenance engineers who have promised to take industrial action.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said the airline will not increase its offer after the engineers’ union informed him of its planned industrial action.
He said the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association will commence overtime bans from May 15 and will hold four-hour, stop-work meetings on May 16 and May 23.
The ALAEA is pushing for a new enterprise agreement that includes pay rises of five per cent a year rather than the airline’s standard pay offer.
“Qantas has made it very clear,” Mr Dixon said in a statement.
“We will not break our wages policy of three per cent annual pay increases and a one per cent additional superannuation contribution, as we reinvest our profits in aircraft purchase to continue to grow Qantas in difficult times.”
He said the union is in the wrong and passengers may suffer for it.
“This action is unjustified and we plan to ensure all customers reach their destination on these days,” Mr Dixon said.
“We will be expecting some delays during the two Friday afternoons.”
AAP
9th May 2008, 19:30 WST
Qantas passengers can expect delays this month following the breakdown of wage negotiations with maintenance engineers who have promised to take industrial action.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said the airline will not increase its offer after the engineers’ union informed him of its planned industrial action.
He said the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association will commence overtime bans from May 15 and will hold four-hour, stop-work meetings on May 16 and May 23.
The ALAEA is pushing for a new enterprise agreement that includes pay rises of five per cent a year rather than the airline’s standard pay offer.
“Qantas has made it very clear,” Mr Dixon said in a statement.
“We will not break our wages policy of three per cent annual pay increases and a one per cent additional superannuation contribution, as we reinvest our profits in aircraft purchase to continue to grow Qantas in difficult times.”
He said the union is in the wrong and passengers may suffer for it.
“This action is unjustified and we plan to ensure all customers reach their destination on these days,” Mr Dixon said.
“We will be expecting some delays during the two Friday afternoons.”
AAP
Can I suggest you split the difference - 4% pay rise - pretty close to inflation?
QANTAS are into the media spin already with quotes like
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He said the union is in the wrong and passengers may suffer for it.
“This action is unjustified and we plan to ensure all customers reach their destination on these days,”
“This action is unjustified and we plan to ensure all customers reach their destination on these days,”
What was the increase in profit over the previous half year? 101%.....
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................................“We will not break our wages policy of three per cent annual pay increases and a one per cent additional superannuation contribution, as we reinvest our profits in aircraft purchase AND BOARD EXECS WAGES/BONUSES to continue to grow Qantas in difficult times.”
That's more like the truth, this guy couldn't lie straight in bed !
CW
That's more like the truth, this guy couldn't lie straight in bed !
CW
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PAF of the 2,000 odd posts you've made on this site have any of them actually not been management or company supportive ?
You sound like a first rate FUD spreader and company puppet, that is if your name is not Geoff ?
How about you do as one of your earlier posts stated and just stay out of Ginger beer discussions as you have nothing constructive to contribute
You sound like a first rate FUD spreader and company puppet, that is if your name is not Geoff ?
How about you do as one of your earlier posts stated and just stay out of Ginger beer discussions as you have nothing constructive to contribute
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Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said the airline will not increase its offer after the engineers’ union informed him of its planned industrial action.
He said the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association will commence overtime bans from May 15 and will hold four-hour, stop-work meetings on May 16 and May 23.
He said the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association will commence overtime bans from May 15 and will hold four-hour, stop-work meetings on May 16 and May 23.
As far as I was aware the ALAEA hadnt set any days in concrete,as we are just starting with O/T bans.And that is on our days off!!!!!!!
Does this mean the company is planning to stand people down on those 2 particular days to cause the LAMEs to walk off the job? Sounds like they are inciting industrial action.The "workforce-in-waiting" must have finished all their training early.
Hopefully the media are aware that it is Qantas escalating the industrial action on these two Fridays and not the ALAEA.
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Let them get me the chop Frozo (read Bozo) I'll take my licence were it pays more! With respect to 89 - I was there as well, nobody wanted the pilots to resign - just bad advice from their union. We intend to work inside the system and use the policy manual (red tape dispenser) to its full effect.
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Cartexchange, fair crack of the whip fella, I wished you well, and as the father of a LAME I agree with what you are doing. As for me going staff travel, after neally fifty years of service in TAA and QF you could hardly deny me a 10% seat. I am sure you use staff travel when you can. I am simply saying its bad luck for me if you pull the plug next thurs. Ok?
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Be Careful
Mendaero, be careful - you guys may get a lot more than you've bargained for
From experience I can say that the Association will drop you like a hot rock if things go pear-shaped mate.
Lots of guys out there who will be happy to take your job.
From experience I can say that the Association will drop you like a hot rock if things go pear-shaped mate.
Lots of guys out there who will be happy to take your job.
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Lots of guys out there who will be happy to take your job.
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PAF
You're a dill.
It;s called Protected Industrial Action.
If you care to read the thread in D&G G.A & Q's you would understand that pound for pound the QF engineers are worse off than many other airline employed engineers in AUS eg VB & JQ and the 3% p.a offer sees many at QF going even further backwards against CPI, i.e less disposable income after paying the mortgage feeding and educating the kids etc not to mention the ever increasing demands from the employer for productivity increases, technology upgrades and the like.
Lets see them give us all the arse, I know you won't have the ability to fill the void!
In my opinion if you wish to take industrial action then the company should be entitled to terminate your employment if they desire.
If you care to read the thread in D&G G.A & Q's you would understand that pound for pound the QF engineers are worse off than many other airline employed engineers in AUS eg VB & JQ and the 3% p.a offer sees many at QF going even further backwards against CPI, i.e less disposable income after paying the mortgage feeding and educating the kids etc not to mention the ever increasing demands from the employer for productivity increases, technology upgrades and the like.
Lets see them give us all the arse, I know you won't have the ability to fill the void!
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QF almost sold to to Allco/APA et al, not buying a new (proven) LH Fleet years earlier, payments to Exces at record amounts each year and Geoff Dick says greater than 3% pay rise to the Engineers is a threat to QF's future...
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Out come the arm chair quarter backs. Gee I am sure the ALAEA will be grateful for your insightful advice. Mate you should run for office at our next association election...
Snollygoster. Great first post, thank you too for your input.
The PIA in progress now has been brewing for a long long time and has more to do with the current ACS management style than an EBA.
If you look at both PIA votes you will see all but the most reserved and fans of PAFs writings voted for the action. Obviously something is very wrong for such a high vote turn out yet alone the majority vote.
I for one considered the ramifications of our actions and I am more than willing to stand by my convictions. Come hell or high water lets see where the cards fall.
Murray caused this lets see him wriggle out of it.
PAF. Love you work, predictable but good reading all the same but I fail to see the correlation to the 89 dispute. And I do enjoy reading about Jim and Debbie’s travels…
Can I suggest you split the difference - 4% pay rise - pretty close to inflation?
Mendaero, be careful - you guys may get a lot more than you've bargained for
From experience I can say that the Association will drop you like a hot rock if things go pear-shaped mate.
Lots of guys out there who will be happy to take your job.
From experience I can say that the Association will drop you like a hot rock if things go pear-shaped mate.
Lots of guys out there who will be happy to take your job.
Snollygoster. Great first post, thank you too for your input.
The PIA in progress now has been brewing for a long long time and has more to do with the current ACS management style than an EBA.
If you look at both PIA votes you will see all but the most reserved and fans of PAFs writings voted for the action. Obviously something is very wrong for such a high vote turn out yet alone the majority vote.
I for one considered the ramifications of our actions and I am more than willing to stand by my convictions. Come hell or high water lets see where the cards fall.
Murray caused this lets see him wriggle out of it.
PAF. Love you work, predictable but good reading all the same but I fail to see the correlation to the 89 dispute. And I do enjoy reading about Jim and Debbie’s travels…
Out come the arm chair quarter backs. Gee I am sure the ALAEA will be grateful for your insightful advice. Mate you should run for office at our next association election...
I work for a recalcitrant employer too and don't envy the task the gingerbeers face, not a bit. Good luck.
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Good onya engineers, just stick it to Dixon. This guys been itching to bust Qantas unions from day one, whilst lining his pockets with the money earned by those same staff ie union members..his greed and that of QF management is breathtaking!