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What pees me off is that any other industry outside aviation can get pay rises
of 5% or more and yet we in aviation get stuck with the standard 3%.
We are working and signing off on aircraft carrying up to 400 pax or more where safety is paramount and yet management seems to view our job as someone packing shelves at coles/safeway or similar.
of 5% or more and yet we in aviation get stuck with the standard 3%.
We are working and signing off on aircraft carrying up to 400 pax or more where safety is paramount and yet management seems to view our job as someone packing shelves at coles/safeway or similar.
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enough
this exec won on the lets tear em an asshole attitude.
well lets do it ,bring on the o/t ban and higher duty ban immediately ,work to rule 300 defect and recording cpns at every A chk.8hr roster when all else fails.if M wants a stoush give it to him if big K thinks dispatch reliability is in the gutter now wait until xmas ,maint manual printout every job and only correct tooling used ,total safety concepts .
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ithink that covers all welcome to add any ive missed
well lets do it ,bring on the o/t ban and higher duty ban immediately ,work to rule 300 defect and recording cpns at every A chk.8hr roster when all else fails.if M wants a stoush give it to him if big K thinks dispatch reliability is in the gutter now wait until xmas ,maint manual printout every job and only correct tooling used ,total safety concepts .
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ithink that covers all welcome to add any ive missed
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Well the eba offer is a joke but really did anyone expect otherwise?
M and his buddies are in the poo and now is the time to give it
to them. an official OT ban now ,followed by a higher duties ban
would put a lot of pressure on M. Aircraft reliability is from what
i understand at an all time low and no ot would really sit them on there
ass.
the next move would be to go back to an 8hr roster from our extended
ones and watch the carnage unfold. Just ask anyone from perth.
We have to stop making things work for them and there has never
been a better time than now.
Who cares about the 380 . all qf management are doing is using it as
a carrot. let someone else do it.
I say its time to fight there arseholes.
There new world bull**** hasn't worked, people have lost their jobs,
the aircraft are in a pretty bad shape and all they can do is blame
the union and there own workforce and really they haven't saved a cent!!
I don't know about you guys but I think its time to stand up for ourselves
before the imbiciles running the show do us all out of a job
M and his buddies are in the poo and now is the time to give it
to them. an official OT ban now ,followed by a higher duties ban
would put a lot of pressure on M. Aircraft reliability is from what
i understand at an all time low and no ot would really sit them on there
ass.
the next move would be to go back to an 8hr roster from our extended
ones and watch the carnage unfold. Just ask anyone from perth.
We have to stop making things work for them and there has never
been a better time than now.
Who cares about the 380 . all qf management are doing is using it as
a carrot. let someone else do it.
I say its time to fight there arseholes.
There new world bull**** hasn't worked, people have lost their jobs,
the aircraft are in a pretty bad shape and all they can do is blame
the union and there own workforce and really they haven't saved a cent!!
I don't know about you guys but I think its time to stand up for ourselves
before the imbiciles running the show do us all out of a job
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Qantas Engineering Managment have obvisously been given a directive from above to deal with these over paid LAME'S and settle.
We have not been better placed for years and i think our union excecutive are playing there hands extremely well.Don't sell out
We have not been better placed for years and i think our union excecutive are playing there hands extremely well.Don't sell out
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Hi all. I believe now, it is more important than ever, for ALL employees to STICK TOGETHER!!!
ACS, Heavy, Components, Pilots, cabin crew, catering, GSE.... wherever you work, we all hold one thing in common. Management are taking us and the airline for the biggest ride in its 87 year history.
Let's put aside any animosity between departments. Contact your union organisers, It's time to run a COMMON and legal (thanks Johnny), campaign to fight for the sake of Qantas.
Yes, our jobs and our wages are nowadays at stake. Equally as important, so too is the once highly held reputation that Qantas once enjoyed
Management can buy as many planes as they like however, if they are not maintained to the once great Qantas standard, if they are not flown by the once highly skilled pilots Qantas once had and the passengers are not catered for by the once motivated and content cabin crews Qantas once had, the planes will be unreliable and dangerous to fly in. The pilots will be substandard and the crew just won't care. Passengers will look elsewhere.
Scum like Geoff Dixon and David Cox are holding us AND the good name of Qantas to ransom to feed their own greed.
Enough is enough. Time to take action to protect Qantas, your job and ultimately, the safety of the flying public.
ACS, Heavy, Components, Pilots, cabin crew, catering, GSE.... wherever you work, we all hold one thing in common. Management are taking us and the airline for the biggest ride in its 87 year history.
Let's put aside any animosity between departments. Contact your union organisers, It's time to run a COMMON and legal (thanks Johnny), campaign to fight for the sake of Qantas.
Yes, our jobs and our wages are nowadays at stake. Equally as important, so too is the once highly held reputation that Qantas once enjoyed
Management can buy as many planes as they like however, if they are not maintained to the once great Qantas standard, if they are not flown by the once highly skilled pilots Qantas once had and the passengers are not catered for by the once motivated and content cabin crews Qantas once had, the planes will be unreliable and dangerous to fly in. The pilots will be substandard and the crew just won't care. Passengers will look elsewhere.
Scum like Geoff Dixon and David Cox are holding us AND the good name of Qantas to ransom to feed their own greed.
Enough is enough. Time to take action to protect Qantas, your job and ultimately, the safety of the flying public.
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Fill your fuel tanks boys. The 8 hour is coming. Have heard that the Exec will be requesting 8 hour rosters for all on 27th November.
BTW my manager was out selling the EBA yesterday and I sat there listening wondering what the hell we will be giving up to get this 3% windfall. I thought it sounded too good to be true and I was right. It may surprise many of you but they actually want something that they weren't telling us about. The missing pages from the presentation read -
Some minor ammendments to the way disputes are handled. If the Asn wants to represent you in the AIRC the Commissioner must take into account the XPT case which gives management the right to make any decision that benifits the company. This is the no-man transit clause gents.
Some minor changes to the definition of employee. LAMEs will now be able to be employed as AMEs and paid as such until they sit a company LAME induction course. Thats why we haven't advertised for LAMEs in over 2 years even though we are so short that delays are at an all time high.
Unlimited part timers and casuals. Thats right unlimited. But remember guys this is a lifestyle choice that suits many families. We will make that choice for you. Don't bother moonlighting to feed your families either, we have banned that as well.
So vote yes. You are only overpaid LAMEs anyway. If you do management will give you long term job security until we can get some 457 visa holders from China to take your job.
BTW my manager was out selling the EBA yesterday and I sat there listening wondering what the hell we will be giving up to get this 3% windfall. I thought it sounded too good to be true and I was right. It may surprise many of you but they actually want something that they weren't telling us about. The missing pages from the presentation read -
Some minor ammendments to the way disputes are handled. If the Asn wants to represent you in the AIRC the Commissioner must take into account the XPT case which gives management the right to make any decision that benifits the company. This is the no-man transit clause gents.
Some minor changes to the definition of employee. LAMEs will now be able to be employed as AMEs and paid as such until they sit a company LAME induction course. Thats why we haven't advertised for LAMEs in over 2 years even though we are so short that delays are at an all time high.
Unlimited part timers and casuals. Thats right unlimited. But remember guys this is a lifestyle choice that suits many families. We will make that choice for you. Don't bother moonlighting to feed your families either, we have banned that as well.
So vote yes. You are only overpaid LAMEs anyway. If you do management will give you long term job security until we can get some 457 visa holders from China to take your job.
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Hook Line and Sinker
There are a number of LAME's trotting around the joint saying "this deal is not too bad!"
They know squat.
There are managers who when asked about the dispute resolution and definition of an employee clauses are answering "oh that's nothing" or "that wont apply to you"
Who do you trust? Trust only your gut. Read boys and girls, read the document when it is released from the Bexly bunker and for gods sake read it from a management perspective!
If these provisions "mean nothing" or are irrelevant, then the priques can cut them.
They know squat.
There are managers who when asked about the dispute resolution and definition of an employee clauses are answering "oh that's nothing" or "that wont apply to you"
Who do you trust? Trust only your gut. Read boys and girls, read the document when it is released from the Bexly bunker and for gods sake read it from a management perspective!
If these provisions "mean nothing" or are irrelevant, then the priques can cut them.
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Hook, Line & Stinker
Anything in the document WILL apply to EVERYONE.
QF do not put items in, for the benefit of the workers!
Just the same old illusions to screw you bit by bit.
BIG bit this time.
QF do not put items in, for the benefit of the workers!
Just the same old illusions to screw you bit by bit.
BIG bit this time.
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Some minor changes to the definition of employee. LAMEs will now be able to be employed as AMEs and paid as such until they sit a company LAME induction course. Thats why we haven't advertised for LAMEs in over 2 years even though we are so short that delays are at an all time high.
Some minor changes to the definition of employee. LAMEs will now be able to be employed as AMEs and paid as such until they sit a company LAME induction course. Thats why we haven't advertised for LAMEs in over 2 years even though we are so short that delays are at an all time high.
I smell a big red rat.
The 457 visa thing is not far off also.
Many companies are already doing this citing a skills shortage.
What a load of crock.It is not a skilled shortage,it is the conditions they want you to work under.The government is turning a blind eye to this.
VOTE NO.
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Part of the M training package.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So_Fv...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLpng...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So_Fv...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLpng...eature=related
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Does this sound like QF management?
Sure does to me.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6DmV7D...eature=related
Sure does to me.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6DmV7D...eature=related
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It explains why all the junior managers are pushing this deal as "a good package". Goes someway to explaining why most of the plastic trinkets in the package are aimed at supervisors and senior lames - "The backbone of the plan to bust the unions".
as was expected
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mmmmmmm
So you say we don't get day by day blow by blow accounts of what happens at the asn, yet notices come out every week
I say all you winging t#@ds should walk a mile in their shoes, after all they are volunteers against full time protagonists who get paid a couple of hundred thousand dollars to fk us over
I simply appreciate the fact that if you ask they answer from President to councilor on any subject they have their phone numbers freely available or ring the office they will put you through to them
I say keep up good work present exec it's good to have someone fighting for us again
PS Tell QF that the A380 deal is SIA (Stick in A$$)
PPS Hows about our former Fed Sec getting the job in France fkn unbelievable, no graft and corruption here at QF
So you say we don't get day by day blow by blow accounts of what happens at the asn, yet notices come out every week
I say all you winging t#@ds should walk a mile in their shoes, after all they are volunteers against full time protagonists who get paid a couple of hundred thousand dollars to fk us over
I simply appreciate the fact that if you ask they answer from President to councilor on any subject they have their phone numbers freely available or ring the office they will put you through to them
I say keep up good work present exec it's good to have someone fighting for us again
PS Tell QF that the A380 deal is SIA (Stick in A$$)
PPS Hows about our former Fed Sec getting the job in France fkn unbelievable, no graft and corruption here at QF
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when i said waiting with baited breath,
i am .
i wasnt haven a go.
this eba alone will determine the execs standing long and behold ,morale so far in the gutter,total cluster over the 380 selection process that the company undertook.and a thinly worded eba presentation ,presented by managers who had no answers ,who werent even involved in the eba process.
yes i am on the mailing list and havent received a notice as yet.as i said waiting with baited breath for the exec direction.
united we stand ,together we fall
i am .
i wasnt haven a go.
this eba alone will determine the execs standing long and behold ,morale so far in the gutter,total cluster over the 380 selection process that the company undertook.and a thinly worded eba presentation ,presented by managers who had no answers ,who werent even involved in the eba process.
yes i am on the mailing list and havent received a notice as yet.as i said waiting with baited breath for the exec direction.
united we stand ,together we fall