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Qantas jet in landing scare
Alex Tibbitts
January 9, 2008
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Were you on board the jet or know somebody who was? Message 0424 SMS SMH (+61 424 767 764) or email us at [email protected]. A Qantas 747 lost power on its descent into Bangkok this afternoon.
A Qantas spokeswoman was unable to say what systems were affected on QF2 from London to Bangkok or for how long the aircraft lost power.
"This incident involved loss of electrical power on a Boeing 747 on descent into Bangkok," said Qantas chief pilot, Captain Chris Manning in a statement. "The back-up sytem was activated and the aircraft landed safely.
"Qantas reported the incident to Boeing, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau and the Civil Aviation Safety Authority and is also investigating its own thorough investigation. The aircraft is currently being repaired and assessed."
A spokeswoman added: "Because it is under investigation, we are are unable to provide any further information at this stage."
must of had it's last overhaul in singapore,watch out for those eels,you never know when you might need them
Alex Tibbitts
January 9, 2008
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Were you on board the jet or know somebody who was? Message 0424 SMS SMH (+61 424 767 764) or email us at [email protected]. A Qantas 747 lost power on its descent into Bangkok this afternoon.
A Qantas spokeswoman was unable to say what systems were affected on QF2 from London to Bangkok or for how long the aircraft lost power.
"This incident involved loss of electrical power on a Boeing 747 on descent into Bangkok," said Qantas chief pilot, Captain Chris Manning in a statement. "The back-up sytem was activated and the aircraft landed safely.
"Qantas reported the incident to Boeing, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau and the Civil Aviation Safety Authority and is also investigating its own thorough investigation. The aircraft is currently being repaired and assessed."
A spokeswoman added: "Because it is under investigation, we are are unable to provide any further information at this stage."
must of had it's last overhaul in singapore,watch out for those eels,you never know when you might need them
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I am saying you are worth the best deal you can make with a company WITHOUT harming hundreds of thousands if not millions of people.
Jeez bit dramatic there champ, millions of them.......
Good luck Lads give em heaps from a fellow LAME (Non qf)
I give the public a bit more credit than PAF and Qf Management, the old Aussie fair go principle , when the figures are put out there , Eg man bonuses and the amount the company seem willing to spend to fight a battle which if played the right way will highlight the red tape ,ar5e covering crap that LAMEs on the front line have to make work for the likes of PAF and management, will show where the deficencies lay...
Bury them in thier own policies and HR rubbish .....
Enjoy Lads......
Jeez bit dramatic there champ, millions of them.......
Good luck Lads give em heaps from a fellow LAME (Non qf)
I give the public a bit more credit than PAF and Qf Management, the old Aussie fair go principle , when the figures are put out there , Eg man bonuses and the amount the company seem willing to spend to fight a battle which if played the right way will highlight the red tape ,ar5e covering crap that LAMEs on the front line have to make work for the likes of PAF and management, will show where the deficencies lay...
Bury them in thier own policies and HR rubbish .....
Enjoy Lads......
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take it easy guys and play cool,there was a meeting today and another tomorrow ,so maybe this will all be sorted before a shot is fired in anger.
until the 11th hour we are still negotiating in good faith.maybe people like amos2 and paf will get to their destination on time and all will have been a good slanging match.
safety before schedule is the motto
until the 11th hour we are still negotiating in good faith.maybe people like amos2 and paf will get to their destination on time and all will have been a good slanging match.
safety before schedule is the motto
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reality is a matter of the clarity of mind. Is the glass half empty, or half full?
Easy question. It depends on the last change of state. If the last change was adding to the glass it's half full; if the last change was to drink or take from the glass it's half empty. Geez is that the best you have?
reality is a matter of the clarity of mind. Is the glass half empty, or half full?
Easy question. It depends on the last change of state. If the last change was adding to the glass it's half full; if the last change was to drink or take from the glass it's half empty. Geez is that the best you have?
I strongly encourage all LAMEs to go work in the mines for a couple of years. The mining companies are really desperate for anything that remotely smells like an engineer and will pay you handsomely.
Keep your existing Licences current (or at least on hold) and see if it is worth coming back to aviation in two or three years time.
Keep your existing Licences current (or at least on hold) and see if it is worth coming back to aviation in two or three years time.
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P.A.F.
P.A.F. ie
Piss Away the Future.
Sorry fella I understand you have the right to your oppinion and thats fine however it's a scary time for all who face the current climate and maybe a little consideration should be forwarded our way. I personally do not agree with making the pax late or delayed but i also am part of a team/union and will abide by the rules. Most guy's i know love the company we work for but are fed up with being treated like dirt.Even in this dispute most people still have a can do attitude it's just something QF LAME's have.So what i ask is give these fella's a go, the kangaroo on the tail still means something for a lot of engineers even if they don't admit it.
Cheers and Thanks
Piss Away the Future.
Sorry fella I understand you have the right to your oppinion and thats fine however it's a scary time for all who face the current climate and maybe a little consideration should be forwarded our way. I personally do not agree with making the pax late or delayed but i also am part of a team/union and will abide by the rules. Most guy's i know love the company we work for but are fed up with being treated like dirt.Even in this dispute most people still have a can do attitude it's just something QF LAME's have.So what i ask is give these fella's a go, the kangaroo on the tail still means something for a lot of engineers even if they don't admit it.
Cheers and Thanks
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Glad to see things have cooled off
Come on guys! Ignore the stooges and sh*tstirrers. Give 'em no oxygen! In boxing they say 'He who loses his temper, loses!' Keep to the point. That's 5% plus remove those clauses, which is fair and reasonable. Where management lead, it's people should follow. So we're following in their footsteps to reap the reward they've scored themselves for ALL our efforts! I mean we all work for the same airline don't we, so why shouldn't we more equitably share the rewards in the good times considering the restraint we've shown when the company was 'on the ropes' with SARS, 9/11 etc (only to announce record profits later)?
Also keep in mind PIA is a Pandora's Box. QF and the union don't want to open it coz who knows what will be unleashed. It will only harm us all in the long run. And remember that when you're giving someone a hiding, you're usually getting half a hiding in return. No-one wants that.
Something else to consider: often the THREAT of action is far more effective than the action one may really be capable of. You act and you run the risk of revealing your weaknesses. And if it comes to it, let's not telegraph our punches. Let's just wait for direction from the union we voted in so overwhelmingly. Let's trust them to deliver a few well-timed sucker punches which we also so overwhelmingly voted for them to do.
And hang tough. Let's not 'run out of puff' as the QF EBA chief negotiator predicted.
Also keep in mind PIA is a Pandora's Box. QF and the union don't want to open it coz who knows what will be unleashed. It will only harm us all in the long run. And remember that when you're giving someone a hiding, you're usually getting half a hiding in return. No-one wants that.
Something else to consider: often the THREAT of action is far more effective than the action one may really be capable of. You act and you run the risk of revealing your weaknesses. And if it comes to it, let's not telegraph our punches. Let's just wait for direction from the union we voted in so overwhelmingly. Let's trust them to deliver a few well-timed sucker punches which we also so overwhelmingly voted for them to do.
And hang tough. Let's not 'run out of puff' as the QF EBA chief negotiator predicted.
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The dog 74 said:
'I personally do not agree with making the pax late or delayed but i also am part of a team/union and will abide by the rules. Most guy's i know love the company we work for but are fed up with being treated like dirt.Even in this dispute most people still have a can do attitude it's just something QF LAME's have.So what i ask is give these fella's a go, the kangaroo on the tail still means something for a lot of engineers even if they don't admit it.'
Hear hear. I don't want to hurt pax either. I used to be proud to work for QF up till a couple of years ago, which just so happens to co-incide with the appearance of the latest management wallahs. Now I'm embarrassed to admit it. I'd like to restore that pride. And I think the way we're going about things may just help.
'I personally do not agree with making the pax late or delayed but i also am part of a team/union and will abide by the rules. Most guy's i know love the company we work for but are fed up with being treated like dirt.Even in this dispute most people still have a can do attitude it's just something QF LAME's have.So what i ask is give these fella's a go, the kangaroo on the tail still means something for a lot of engineers even if they don't admit it.'
Hear hear. I don't want to hurt pax either. I used to be proud to work for QF up till a couple of years ago, which just so happens to co-incide with the appearance of the latest management wallahs. Now I'm embarrassed to admit it. I'd like to restore that pride. And I think the way we're going about things may just help.
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Re below, i take it it is a good sign, good luck to all, how do we get an update on what this means.
The postponement must mean we are close, can we get an update on the negotiations, i dont want it to come Friday and we are none the wiser why things have or havent changed.
It looks promising, please advise
Qantas engineers postpone industrial action
January 09, 2008 The Australian
INDUSTRIAL action planned by Qantas engineers for tomorrow has been postponed.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Association (ALAEA) has put off a plan to refuse to work overtime following failed negotiations with management over pay rises.
The union is demanding a 5 per cent pay rise for up to 1700 engineers nationwide, but the airline is offering only a 3 per cent increase.
"The bottom line is, we met today, we had a productive meeting and we're going to meet again tomorrow,'' head of Qantas Engineering David Cox said.
The industrial action planned for Wednesday is now scheduled for Friday, but it would not disrupt flight schedules, Mr Cox said.
"This sort of action we could manage - it's low level,'' he said.
"Obviously, if it escalates further, then it escalates further.''
The union has vowed to call four-hour stop-work meetings if Qantas takes action against any union members for taking part in industrial action.
Such meetings would potentially ground all Qantas flights, because jets cannot take off until they have been cleared by a licensed engineer.
The postponement must mean we are close, can we get an update on the negotiations, i dont want it to come Friday and we are none the wiser why things have or havent changed.
It looks promising, please advise
Qantas engineers postpone industrial action
January 09, 2008 The AustralianINDUSTRIAL action planned by Qantas engineers for tomorrow has been postponed.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Association (ALAEA) has put off a plan to refuse to work overtime following failed negotiations with management over pay rises.
The union is demanding a 5 per cent pay rise for up to 1700 engineers nationwide, but the airline is offering only a 3 per cent increase.
"The bottom line is, we met today, we had a productive meeting and we're going to meet again tomorrow,'' head of Qantas Engineering David Cox said.
The industrial action planned for Wednesday is now scheduled for Friday, but it would not disrupt flight schedules, Mr Cox said.
"This sort of action we could manage - it's low level,'' he said.
"Obviously, if it escalates further, then it escalates further.''
The union has vowed to call four-hour stop-work meetings if Qantas takes action against any union members for taking part in industrial action.
Such meetings would potentially ground all Qantas flights, because jets cannot take off until they have been cleared by a licensed engineer.
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It was supposed to start on Wed 9th after 3 full days notification period to members and the company. The union miscalculated the 3 (working)days by assuming it included Sat and Sun as the operation is 24/7. The company fat cats said they only work office hours so new notifiaction had to be given.
So it will now start 0001 on Friday 11.
Strap in gentlemen.
I wonder if the company fat cats will be working 24/7 afterall?
So it will now start 0001 on Friday 11.
Strap in gentlemen.
I wonder if the company fat cats will be working 24/7 afterall?
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Thanks Galley Raider, what a let down, HERES STUPID ME THINKING ALL IS ABOUT TO BE FINIALISED
I hope this is not a sign of things to come, this is very concerning , FIRST DAY we are suppose to start and we get the basic stuff wrong, geez
I hope this is not a sign of things to come, this is very concerning , FIRST DAY we are suppose to start and we get the basic stuff wrong, geez
According to the Australian the industral action is being 'delayed' until Friday.
But the only thing being delayed is the flights.
It looks like an impact is already been seen at Sydney International. Obviously some flights will normally leave slightly late due late passengers etc (within 15 minutes is considered on time), however the overall trend is there.
This is Tuesday the 8th of January's Qantas flights from Syd Intl:
QF163....6 mins late
QF47.....18 mins late
QF167....2hrs 37 mins late
QF45.....16 mins late
QF81.....16 mins late
QF43.....17 mins late
QF127....19 mins late
QF107....1hr 23 mins late
QF19.....8 mins late
QF11.....7 mins late
QF189....15 mins late
QF5......27 mins late
QF31.....17 mins late routed via Jakarta...min fuel taken then TEMPO in singas perhaps?
QF1......32 mins late
QF117....3 mins early...
...Routed via Christchurch 
QF49.....12 mins late
Qf21.....19 mins late
QUOTE:
"The industrial action planned for Wednesday is now scheduled for Friday, but it would not disrupt flight schedules, Mr Cox said."
Riggggghhhht, Mr Cox perhaps you should look above.
QUOTE, konehead
"And I think the way we're going about things may just help"
Well it cant make it any worse!!
But the only thing being delayed is the flights.
It looks like an impact is already been seen at Sydney International. Obviously some flights will normally leave slightly late due late passengers etc (within 15 minutes is considered on time), however the overall trend is there.
This is Tuesday the 8th of January's Qantas flights from Syd Intl:
QF163....6 mins late
QF47.....18 mins late
QF167....2hrs 37 mins late
QF45.....16 mins late
QF81.....16 mins late
QF43.....17 mins late
QF127....19 mins late
QF107....1hr 23 mins late
QF19.....8 mins late
QF11.....7 mins late
QF189....15 mins late
QF5......27 mins late
QF31.....17 mins late routed via Jakarta...min fuel taken then TEMPO in singas perhaps?
QF1......32 mins late
QF117....3 mins early...
...Routed via Christchurch QF49.....12 mins late
Qf21.....19 mins late
QUOTE:
"The industrial action planned for Wednesday is now scheduled for Friday, but it would not disrupt flight schedules, Mr Cox said."
Riggggghhhht, Mr Cox perhaps you should look above.
QUOTE, konehead
"And I think the way we're going about things may just help"
Well it cant make it any worse!!
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Getting back to these Strike breakers.
I know we’ve talked about inductions and such. In our port (in response to a meda) we also have a procedure where new staff are “buddied” up by an existing LAME for a minimum of a couple of weeks.
Have also heard they virtually have nobody interested in the 6 month contract. Wouldn’t that be funny.
I know we’ve talked about inductions and such. In our port (in response to a meda) we also have a procedure where new staff are “buddied” up by an existing LAME for a minimum of a couple of weeks.
Have also heard they virtually have nobody interested in the 6 month contract. Wouldn’t that be funny.
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QUOTE, konehead
"And I think the way we're going about things may just help"
QUOTE regitaekilthgiwt: "Well it cant make it any worse!!"
Konehead says: I'm talking in the long term. Sure there'll be some short term pain. But managers need to see numbers going south, not hear LAMEs whinge. Then perhaps pressure from higher up will make them have a good look at themselves! Then the improvements will follow. Or not.
"And I think the way we're going about things may just help"
QUOTE regitaekilthgiwt: "Well it cant make it any worse!!"
Konehead says: I'm talking in the long term. Sure there'll be some short term pain. But managers need to see numbers going south, not hear LAMEs whinge. Then perhaps pressure from higher up will make them have a good look at themselves! Then the improvements will follow. Or not.
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please treat the trolls on this forum like you would treat sca$# do not answer them and ignore them. the thread decends into childish tit for tad when you bother answering them please refrane, good notice from the union and it was good of qantas to point out the mistake I thought that they would say nothing and then declare the action illegal due to not enough notice been given, good to see action on a legal front on the cancelled leave,and good luck to the talks I hope this can be resolved before it gets nasty,
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Base Maintenance A330 Crews
IR, HR and ACS Management have folded and agreed to the ALAEA terms, SYD Base maintenance A330 crews will now consist of 3 Mechanical and 3 Avionic A330 LAME's.
The extra LAME's will come from the current crew members.
6 LAME's currently not on type
6 AME's
(7 avionic slots and 5 mechanical slots)
A further 4 licenses will be added towards end of 2008 if current workload and flying pattern remain constant.
To backfill these new licenses a blue notice will be posted to all of QE for LAME and AME positions in Base Maintenance.
The A330 crew Lame's can now stay in the A330 crews and not disband on the 10th.
The extra LAME's will come from the current crew members.
6 LAME's currently not on type
6 AME's
(7 avionic slots and 5 mechanical slots)
A further 4 licenses will be added towards end of 2008 if current workload and flying pattern remain constant.
To backfill these new licenses a blue notice will be posted to all of QE for LAME and AME positions in Base Maintenance.
The A330 crew Lame's can now stay in the A330 crews and not disband on the 10th.